The College Dropout Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There shouldn't be any danger no matter what happens in that 2nd picture I posted. It's 40 yards away from goal. There would be danger if Pelle was unchallenged. There's only danger in the 3rd picture because 2 lads have gone to sleep. Anyone saying Pelle should go unchallenged is deluded. Colo makes a mistake by not winning the challenge but it's not crucial or dangerous until Anita & Janmaat fall asleep. For every long-ball played to Pelle, Anita is right next to WP - what is his purpose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 So bored of people hanging this lad out to dry. So bored of seeing him create, score, tackle nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There's no room in our central midfield for a footballer like Big Vurn, mostly because we don't expect our central midfield to play football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't see how you grow up playing football and don't see what i'm talking about. You don't let players bring the ball down in front of your defence - without a challenge. SOMEBODY HAS TO CHALLENGE HIM. It should be the DM not the CB. This is moments before the first goal and highlights the problem. A long ball is pumped up. Dummett's come way out to challenge for it despite it being in a CM/DM zone. If Tiote or Abeid is on the pitch - they would challenge for that ball. Anita has zero interest and seems to be picking up Ward-Prowse anyway which while not ideal is okay - because ward-prowse is the danger if Pelle wins the ball. According to people here - Dummett would be at fault if we conceded. http://s27.postimg.org/unk5hrgnz/1_Dummett.jpg 1. Look at how far away from the goal this is. 2. Anita is meant to be picking up Ward-Prowse, he should be able to see where WP wants the ball and anticipate it. Anita is ball-watching. 3. Janmaat should be closing that gap between himself and Dummett http://s4.postimg.org/kjxy2niah/2_anita_goal_side_ward_prowse.jpg Anita you had 1 job. How has WP been allowed to do this? Janmaat's positioning is horrible. Krul should save it anyway. http://s4.postimg.org/6mg8gq15l/4_Ward.jpg Erm...what? Dummet was right to challenge for that ball. Yes, Anita should be ready to defend the second ball. However, the backline should have dropped off deeper, especially knowing the threat of a diagonal run inside behind onto any flick on's- if we knew anything about Southampton we would know that they can go direct and cause problems with Pelle's physical and aerial presence. If Dummet or Colo steps out then the remaining back 3 have got to drop off to defend the space in behind. Anita cannot effect that. Maybe he should just drop into the back line or cover the CB challenging, but there's obviously a lack of tactical instruction and organisation there. And as for the last picture, what on earth is the matter with you? Honestly, has Vurn been texting your missus or something? Look at that back 3, it's in a staggered formation. Dummett stepped out too soon, whilst Haidara is totally ineffective. They should have retreated to the edge of the area and tried to delay it before confronting Warde-Prowse. Anita will never win headers against someone like Pelle, we should have planned for those direct balls. But we didn't. We should have got the ball into Anita more instead of hoofing it up to Ayoze vs 4 Southampton defenders, but, we didn't. Honestly, criticism and posts like above of Anita are ridiculous. He's a very good player, not world class or cutting edge, but he's capable of being a very good player for us. It'll be hard for him when Colback is worshiped by all and sundry in charge though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There's honestly very little between Colback and Anita, having them both in the same team is a recipe for failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Mistle - you're clueless. Anita has decided or been instructed to ignore Pelle and concentrate on picking uo the man closest to him WP - who is the danger man. Anita gets attracted to the ball and WP has the time in the world to pick his pass. The second ball is crucial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The goals were down to poor organisation - it's easy to pick an individual but the team was at fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Mistle - you're clueless. Anita has decided or been instructed to ignore Pelle and concentrate on picking uo the man closest to him WP - who is the danger man. Anita gets attracted to the ball and WP has the time in the world to pick his pass. The second ball is crucial. Ok Edit- And as I said, Vurn should have been ready to challenge for the second ball and he can be held accountable for that. But to say that goal was his fault is slightly depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Anita cost NUFC around £6.27M. We wouldn't get anywhere near that fee for him now. Even at the time we bought him we didn't really need him (unless Tiote was sold and Anita is hardly a like for like replacement). He was also the only player we bought in that transfer window. His transfer never really made any sense. If we could sell Anita and put that money toward a creative, attacking midfielder I'd do that now. For some bizarre reason NUFC play two defensive midfielders. Tiote, Anita, Colback, Abeid and Bigirimana can play that role. We can afford to sell at least one of them as long as the money is spent elsewhere on the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There's honestly very little between Colback and Anita, having them both in the same team is a recipe for failure. Agree with that, though I believe Anita has more ability. Together there's fuck all there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Anita is a better play technically and tactically for me. His stature is a massive flaw in this league mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It was widely talked about within the club to have Tiote play a DM role, Anita a ball playing central midfielder and Cabaye further forward. Pardew was noted for saying shit like "Keep the ball, win the game" or something, basically alluding to us having a central midfield set out to pass teams off the pitch. Anyway, there were a number of players at fault for both goals. And talking about fees recovered for a player who is terribly out of form and underused like Anita is pointless. There's only a small handful of players who would command a premium on their fees we originally paid and most of that is down to the mismanagement and use (lack-of) by our former manager, Alan Pardew. Again, shocking that this needs to be brought up and repeated again - should be obvious by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 This thread us all about what people think Anita is capable of against others pointing out what he actually does. He does f*** all, he doesn't beat an opponent to get beyond them, he wants too much time on the ball, he loses concentration, he doesn't break up play, he's easily pushed off the ball and he offers very little creativity. Pointing out the odd but of good play doesn't wash. I don't care where he plays, he's not going to be good enough for this league and we have better options for what he'd offer in any position. There's posts on here suggesting he could dictate play if played in the correct position. Bollocks could he. He needs a slower, less physical league. He's trundled around the pitch like little boy lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 This thread us all about what people think Anita is capable of against others pointing out what he actually does. He does f*** all, he doesn't beat an opponent to get beyond them, he wants too much time on the ball, he loses concentration, he doesn't break up play, he's easily pushed off the ball and he offers very little creativity. Pointing out the odd but of good play doesn't wash. I don't care where he plays, he's not going to be good enough for this league and we have better options for what he'd offer in any position. There's posts on here suggesting he could dictate play if played in the correct position. Bollocks could he. He needs a slower, less physical league. He's trundled around the pitch like little boy lost. Because Tiote is so much better because he flies into tackles, concedes fouls on the edge of the area and needless yellows? His distribution is absolutely no better than Anita's. Play Abeid alongside Anita to offer some physical compensation, not the passenger that is Colback. People on here also seem to neglect the point that confidence is an issue for players, also. If you were frozen out by your manager for a matter of seasons and now found yourself in the team only because another player is on International duty, whilst the system doesn't play anywhere near to your strengths, you probably wouldn't feel too great about yourself. I like him as a player, and although he's not the answer to our problems he would definitely benefit the team given a run in the team under a competent manager. It's just so frustrating reading people dismiss him because he 'can't cope with the physicality of the Premiership' etc. He is one of our better players and we are not utilising him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 This thread us all about what people think Anita is capable of against others pointing out what he actually does. He does f*** all, he doesn't beat an opponent to get beyond them, he wants too much time on the ball, he loses concentration, he doesn't break up play, he's easily pushed off the ball and he offers very little creativity. Pointing out the odd but of good play doesn't wash. I don't care where he plays, he's not going to be good enough for this league and we have better options for what he'd offer in any position. There's posts on here suggesting he could dictate play if played in the correct position. Bollocks could he. He needs a slower, less physical league. He's trundled around the pitch like little boy lost. Because Tiote is so much better because he flies into tackles, concedes fouls on the edge of the area and needless yellows? His distribution is absolutely no better than Anita's. Play Abeid alongside Anita to offer some physical compensation, not the passenger that is Colback. People on here also seem to neglect the point that confidence is an issue for players, also. If you were frozen out by your manager for a matter of seasons and now found yourself in the team only because another player is on International duty, whilst the system doesn't play anywhere near to your strengths, you probably wouldn't feel too great about yourself. I like him as a player, and although he's not the answer to our problems he would definitely benefit the team given a run in the team under a competent manager. It's just so frustrating reading people dismiss him because he 'can't cope with the physicality of the Premiership' etc. He is one of our better players and we are not utilising him. Your last sentence is laughable. Tiote is a walking disaster at the moment but is still a better option than Anita. Colback has been far better than Anita. He's had his chances, he's not taken them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I wouldn't say no to NUFC selling Anita and Tiote as long as they were replaced. Tiote is a danger to the team and Anita doesn't impact the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 http://www.insidefutbol.com/2015/01/22/i-still-cant-believe-vurnon-anitas-transfer-to-newcastle-united-psv-eindhoven-technical-director/184996/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Been said before but Anita's signing never made sense at the time and still doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Been said before but Anita's signing never made sense at the time and still doesn't. Playing the long game. It'll make sense when De Boer takes over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Been said before but Anita's signing never made sense at the time and still doesn't. Still think it was with one eye on selling Cabaye that summer of the right offer came in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Been said before but Anita's signing never made sense at the time and still doesn't. Still think it was with one eye on selling Cabaye that summer of the right offer came in. Maybe. But now that he has gone he's never looked like filling his boots sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Anyone remember that John Thompson football fan character in the Fast Show? Oh my god! On the money. "Soccer!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 http://www.insidefutbol.com/2015/01/22/i-still-cant-believe-vurnon-anitas-transfer-to-newcastle-united-psv-eindhoven-technical-director/184996/ Hopefully now people will stop thinking he's capable of something. He's shit, has always been shit and will always be shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This is an utterly pointless thread at the moment like. Until he's played in a 3 under a competent manager there's no point in really discussing it, everything is hypothetical unless that happens. Until then it's just people going 'he's shit' and other people going 'he'd be good in a 3 under a decent manager' over and over but for the usual boring, horse shit dressed up as knowing better from TCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'm more inclined to trust the words of his former manager, rather than PSV's technical director, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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