ujpest doza Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 When Anita doesn't have the ball he is an absolute waste of a shirt. I'm sick of seeing him backpedal so far that he's 5 yards off his man on the edge of our area. He's so scared of any physical battle. He's not alone in this mind but yeah for the most part this is fairly true. We need a serious upgrade in January if there is any hope of staying up. Might be over by then tbf mind. It's a symptom of so many of our players, I'm convinced this was a Pardew 'tactic'. Never make an actual tackle (or even physical shoulder to shoulder!) as we always had so many players behind the ball to block the shot/eventually bore the opposition to tears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 When Anita doesn't have the ball he is an absolute waste of a shirt. I'm sick of seeing him backpedal so far that he's 5 yards off his man on the edge of our area. He's so scared of any physical battle. He's not alone in this mind but yeah for the most part this is fairly true. We need a serious upgrade in January if there is any hope of staying up. Might be over by then tbf mind. It's a symptom of so many of our players, I'm convinced this was a Pardew 'tactic'. Never make an actual tackle (or even physical shoulder to shoulder!) as we always had so many players behind the ball to block the shot/eventually bore the opposition to tears. The second part of this post is probably true, tbh. So many of our players don't challenge, they may well have forgotten they need to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 anita had loads of the ball but repeatedly looked up to see his team mates stood like statues facing him and not trying to move or find space. no one on the half turn looking to make run forward, just stood with their backs to goal amongst a crowd of sheff wed players gawping at anita and hoping he wouldnt pass to them. on a few occasions he moved it out wide to williamson who had a chance of playing a quick ball up the right to janmaat or thauvin in a little space, but he would stop the ball and ponder a few seconds before passing back to anita. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 They could have just been standing around as they know it will never be passed forward by the little munchkin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 It's his distribution that gets me. Most of his passes are to defenders. Coquelin gets the ball to Cazorla & Ramsey. Wanyama's who was awful on the ball against us regularly gets the ball to Mane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Aye but not in positive areas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Wouldn't be surprised if he or Colback plays full back tomorrow assuming Haidara is still crocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Wouldn't be surprised if he or Colback plays full back tomorrow assuming Haidara is still crocked. Maybe. He'll shove Mbemba there and bring in Williamson would be my guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 anita had loads of the ball but repeatedly looked up to see his team mates stood like statues facing him and not trying to move or find space. no one on the half turn looking to make run forward, just stood with their backs to goal amongst a crowd of sheff wed players gawping at anita and hoping he wouldnt pass to them. on a few occasions he moved it out wide to williamson who had a chance of playing a quick ball up the right to janmaat or thauvin in a little space, but he would stop the ball and ponder a few seconds before passing back to anita. This is the thing. People expect him to perform miracles and play it through the opposition. The few times people are in space like obertan was he is more than capable of finding the pass. He has shown he can be quick with his distribution, moves off the ball and generally finds the space available. He's better than people make out and is hampered by the retards in front of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Aye but not in positive areas why is it so hard for people to grasp that he's not being asked to play in forward areas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Aye but not in positive areas why is it so hard for people to grasp that he's not being asked to play in forward areas? I mean positive areas as in areas where he can actually do something useful once he receives the ball. He has good off the ball movement as in he is good at getting into a position to receive a pass but this position is usually very deep and his pass is most likely going to go to one of the centre halves once he receives it. What he should be doing is still getting into positions to receive a pass but also putting himself in a position where he can make a positive forward pass rather than a position where his options are either to pass it along the back four or to hoof it forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Aye but not in positive areas why is it so hard for people to grasp that he's not being asked to play in forward areas? I mean positive areas as in areas where he can actually do something useful once he receives the ball. He has good off the ball movement as in he is good at getting into a position to receive a pass but this position is usually very deep and his pass is most likely going to go to one of the centre halves once he receives it. What he should be doing is still getting into positions to receive a pass but also putting himself in a position where he can make a positive forward pass rather than a position where his options are either to pass it along the back four or to hoof it forward Again, the way I see it he's playing where he's asked. Think back to him under Pardew, he never played in these areas he was around the pitch much more. He's being told to do it and he's doing what he's told, that is very clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. You are so fucking wrong it's unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. You are so fucking wrong it's unbelievable. The more I think about it now before McLaren came some of Anita's best performances were with him much higher up the pitch. He's playing where he's told, simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. You are so fucking wrong it's unbelievable. I'm not wrong in the slightest. I wanted to give Anita a chance this season under McClaren and I thought a move to a pass orientated game would finally result in some improved performances from him. But you just watch him shy away from every physical challenge and the guy gets flat out bullied. He wouldn't start for any other team in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita's about the only one in our team who shows for the ball at all FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita's about the only one in our team who shows for the ball at all FFS. Exactly Maddening people can't see this. I've also never seen him bottle a tackle, when did this start? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not denying that he shows for the ball, he clearly does that. But he doesn't do anything noteworthy with the ball when he gets it other than give short simple passes. He doesn't dribble to create good passing angles, he doesn't/ isn't able to hold onto the ball when pressured, he offers fuck all protection and he never 'bosses the midfield'. He bottled a tackle on Wednesday in the build up to Sheffield Wednesday's goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not denying that he shows for the ball, he clearly does that. But he doesn't do anything noteworthy with the ball when he gets it other than give short simple passes. He doesn't dribble to create good passing angles, he doesn't/ isn't able to hold onto the ball when pressured, he offers fuck all protection and he never 'bosses the midfield'. He bottled a tackle on Wednesday in the build up to Sheffield Wednesday's goal. You're all over the place here, as are most people when it comes to Anita imo. A lot of the things he does atm he's clearly being asked to do. Again just think back to games under Pardew, he played much higher up and often got in and about the opposition penalty area. He's being told not to do that now, it's as plain as day. As for doing nothing with the ball he's rarely got any decent options for a forward pass and I'm guessing he's also bring told not to play it long. Lurching into criticisms of him not being physically imposing or whatever when we're discussing how he uses the ball and is literally the only player we have who does it is just pointless imo. He's a limited midfielder and we need to upgrade, but he's good at doing what he's being asked to do. The main problem is the overall system isn't working so he's being scapegoated by some for that when he's actually probably the only one doing what he's being asked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 It's his distribution that gets me. Most of his passes are to defenders. Coquelin gets the ball to Cazorla & Ramsey. Wanyama's who was awful on the ball against us regularly gets the ball to Mane. Do you not see the difference In what your saying? Yes coquelin gets the ball to carzola Ramsey its not Anita's fault therss no one showing for it. I'm not defending his overall play he has being shocking but the reason he doesn't get the ball forward enough is number one the formation is just not working there never seems to be anyone ahead of the ball and no 2 the players have no confidence and go hiding when we have the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 In the PL a DM has to be imposing and able to bring the ball forward 20 yards without fear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 What's the point of showing for the ball when you do f*** all with it when you get it. Could move things along so much quicker if we skipped him out of the equation. Pass A to B instead of Pass A to Anita to B. Ahh f*** it, I just don't like the useless c*** and will always be a little baffled at the praise he gets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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