LFEE Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Wouldn't be surprised if he or Colback plays full back tomorrow assuming Haidara is still crocked. Maybe. He'll shove Mbemba there and bring in Williamson would be my guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 anita had loads of the ball but repeatedly looked up to see his team mates stood like statues facing him and not trying to move or find space. no one on the half turn looking to make run forward, just stood with their backs to goal amongst a crowd of sheff wed players gawping at anita and hoping he wouldnt pass to them. on a few occasions he moved it out wide to williamson who had a chance of playing a quick ball up the right to janmaat or thauvin in a little space, but he would stop the ball and ponder a few seconds before passing back to anita. This is the thing. People expect him to perform miracles and play it through the opposition. The few times people are in space like obertan was he is more than capable of finding the pass. He has shown he can be quick with his distribution, moves off the ball and generally finds the space available. He's better than people make out and is hampered by the retards in front of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Aye but not in positive areas why is it so hard for people to grasp that he's not being asked to play in forward areas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Aye but not in positive areas why is it so hard for people to grasp that he's not being asked to play in forward areas? I mean positive areas as in areas where he can actually do something useful once he receives the ball. He has good off the ball movement as in he is good at getting into a position to receive a pass but this position is usually very deep and his pass is most likely going to go to one of the centre halves once he receives it. What he should be doing is still getting into positions to receive a pass but also putting himself in a position where he can make a positive forward pass rather than a position where his options are either to pass it along the back four or to hoof it forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Pass and Move though. He passes and stays where he is. Are you for real? He literally has more off the ball movement than 90% of the rest of the team Aye but not in positive areas why is it so hard for people to grasp that he's not being asked to play in forward areas? I mean positive areas as in areas where he can actually do something useful once he receives the ball. He has good off the ball movement as in he is good at getting into a position to receive a pass but this position is usually very deep and his pass is most likely going to go to one of the centre halves once he receives it. What he should be doing is still getting into positions to receive a pass but also putting himself in a position where he can make a positive forward pass rather than a position where his options are either to pass it along the back four or to hoof it forward Again, the way I see it he's playing where he's asked. Think back to him under Pardew, he never played in these areas he was around the pitch much more. He's being told to do it and he's doing what he's told, that is very clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. You are so fucking wrong it's unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. You are so fucking wrong it's unbelievable. The more I think about it now before McLaren came some of Anita's best performances were with him much higher up the pitch. He's playing where he's told, simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita is scared to receive/use the ball in any area where he is likely to be put under physical pressure by someone closing him down or getting shoulder to shoulder. He get's bullied and can't do anything about it. So he either sits so deep where the opposition can't be arsed to close him down, or when he moves a bit further forward he gets rid of the ball too quickly. It's so frustrating to watch. You are so fucking wrong it's unbelievable. I'm not wrong in the slightest. I wanted to give Anita a chance this season under McClaren and I thought a move to a pass orientated game would finally result in some improved performances from him. But you just watch him shy away from every physical challenge and the guy gets flat out bullied. He wouldn't start for any other team in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita's about the only one in our team who shows for the ball at all FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita's about the only one in our team who shows for the ball at all FFS. Exactly Maddening people can't see this. I've also never seen him bottle a tackle, when did this start? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not denying that he shows for the ball, he clearly does that. But he doesn't do anything noteworthy with the ball when he gets it other than give short simple passes. He doesn't dribble to create good passing angles, he doesn't/ isn't able to hold onto the ball when pressured, he offers fuck all protection and he never 'bosses the midfield'. He bottled a tackle on Wednesday in the build up to Sheffield Wednesday's goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not denying that he shows for the ball, he clearly does that. But he doesn't do anything noteworthy with the ball when he gets it other than give short simple passes. He doesn't dribble to create good passing angles, he doesn't/ isn't able to hold onto the ball when pressured, he offers fuck all protection and he never 'bosses the midfield'. He bottled a tackle on Wednesday in the build up to Sheffield Wednesday's goal. You're all over the place here, as are most people when it comes to Anita imo. A lot of the things he does atm he's clearly being asked to do. Again just think back to games under Pardew, he played much higher up and often got in and about the opposition penalty area. He's being told not to do that now, it's as plain as day. As for doing nothing with the ball he's rarely got any decent options for a forward pass and I'm guessing he's also bring told not to play it long. Lurching into criticisms of him not being physically imposing or whatever when we're discussing how he uses the ball and is literally the only player we have who does it is just pointless imo. He's a limited midfielder and we need to upgrade, but he's good at doing what he's being asked to do. The main problem is the overall system isn't working so he's being scapegoated by some for that when he's actually probably the only one doing what he's being asked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 It's his distribution that gets me. Most of his passes are to defenders. Coquelin gets the ball to Cazorla & Ramsey. Wanyama's who was awful on the ball against us regularly gets the ball to Mane. Do you not see the difference In what your saying? Yes coquelin gets the ball to carzola Ramsey its not Anita's fault therss no one showing for it. I'm not defending his overall play he has being shocking but the reason he doesn't get the ball forward enough is number one the formation is just not working there never seems to be anyone ahead of the ball and no 2 the players have no confidence and go hiding when we have the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 In the PL a DM has to be imposing and able to bring the ball forward 20 yards without fear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 What's the point of showing for the ball when you do f*** all with it when you get it. Could move things along so much quicker if we skipped him out of the equation. Pass A to B instead of Pass A to Anita to B. Ahh f*** it, I just don't like the useless c*** and will always be a little baffled at the praise he gets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not denying that he shows for the ball, he clearly does that. But he doesn't do anything noteworthy with the ball when he gets it other than give short simple passes. He doesn't dribble to create good passing angles, he doesn't/ isn't able to hold onto the ball when pressured, he offers f*** all protection and he never 'bosses the midfield'. He bottled a tackle on Wednesday in the build up to Sheffield Wednesday's goal. You're all over the place here, as are most people when it comes to Anita imo. A lot of the things he does atm he's clearly being asked to do. Again just think back to games under Pardew, he played much higher up and often got in and about the opposition penalty area. He's being told not to do that now, it's as plain as day. As for doing nothing with the ball he's rarely got any decent options for a forward pass and I'm guessing he's also bring told not to play it long. Lurching into criticisms of him not being physically imposing or whatever when we're discussing how he uses the ball and is literally the only player we have who does it is just pointless imo. He's a limited midfielder and we need to upgrade, but he's good at doing what he's being asked to do. The main problem is the overall system isn't working so he's being scapegoated by some for that when he's actually probably the only one doing what he's being asked I don't know what he's being asked to do but whatever it is he ain't very good at it btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The excuses made on behalf of this guy are astonishing. - Only doing what he's been asked to do. - No one showing for the ball ahead of him. - Doesn't matter that he's a weakling because he can make a 2 yard pass. - Would look so much better without Colback next to him. Honestly, If what you are doing isn't working, why doesn't he have the stones to think 'I'll try something different'. It's such a weak and useless excuse to keep blaming others for one's consistent failings and poor performances. None of what you say answers why he doesn't bring the ball forward with purpose, why he doesn't create clear cut chances for others, why he doesn't protect his defence. 'It's not his job' doesn't wash. That's like saying it's not Williamson's job to pass it out from the back. It fucking should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita's about the only one in our team who shows for the ball at all FFS. Exactly Maddening people can't see this. I've also never seen him bottle a tackle, when did this start? I saw him at 5ft 5 put that giant sheff Wed defender on his arse. Never seen him bottle anything despite his size. For bottling see Wijnaldum, sissoko n Jack Passback Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The excuses made on behalf of this guy are astonishing. - Only doing what he's been asked to do. - No one showing for the ball ahead of him. - Doesn't matter that he's a weakling because he can make a 2 yard pass. - Would look so much better without Colback next to him. Honestly, If what you are doing isn't working, why doesn't he have the stones to think 'I'll try something different'. It's such a weak and useless excuse to keep blaming others for one's consistent failings and poor performances. None of what you say answers why he doesn't bring the ball forward with purpose, why he doesn't create clear cut chances for others, why he doesn't protect his defence. 'It's not his job' doesn't wash. That's like saying it's not Williamson's job to pass it out from the back. It fucking should be. Not sure who is saying all of the things you've listed like but to address the stupid fucking point about his physicality again nobody is really making excuses, he just doesn't have the physical attributes to boss a midfield so what's the point in either asking him to or expecting him to? Should we have blamed Adam Armstrong for not getting on the end of 60 yard Willoballs last season? Of course not, he's tiny and he can't do it. It's the same principle. Anyway he's not very good, we all seem to be able to agree on this very general point : Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Not sure that Vurn's 'height/physicality' is an issue really. Think Dennis Wise, love him or hate him...nah, actaully forget the first bit... please just hate him (incidentally great regret in life is that I didn't catch Wise when I invaded the pitch after he chased Mirandinha--Mira had just tried to kick Dave Beasant at the final whistle, in a cup game I think [those were the days...]) or a more palatable example, David MacCreery; neither were 'big' but both could 'boss'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Mccreery was 10 times the player of Anita too. He knew how to play that holding roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Great ball in to Perez for the goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Great ball in to Perez for the goal Doesn't do anything though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Having a good game today, is really up fr it. Plaudits when they are due!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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