Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We are getting a big reputation for aggressively pursuing targets. Most of our targets either a) have buyout clauses which we manage to find out about without anyone else knowing or b) have arguements with the hierachy of their clubs and demand to leave We also take the piss on our opening bids, before giving a take it or leave it offer. We must have a raft of intermediataries who sound players out? I know these tactics have had huge success over the past few years but i do worry our reputation may at some point lead to teams not wanting to deal with us. In summarising, is this strategy going to lead to short term gain but ultimately long term pain?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 we were taken the piss out of for years , so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Pardew was complaining earlier that clubs keep trying to price us out of moves or something, so maybe backlash already. Having said that I don't think being crafty is a bad thing ultimately and will serve us much better than our clueless years. I hope rather than 'dirty' we get a reputation like Udinese for digging up great bargains. Less the selling part though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We're going to make an offer he cannot refuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If it means surviving in a world that increasingly favours the selling club and the mega rich, so be it. Whatever's best for the club and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 It's not even hard business. It's just normal business really. Why should we submit bids too high from the off or not sound out talented players with contract release clauses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Fantastic way of doing business. It's effective for us and I couldn't give a shit if other clubs don't like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If it means surviving in a world that increasingly favours the selling club and the mega rich, so be it. Exactly, we can't compete for money (and in some ways I'm glad we're getting success without being soulless moneybags buying anyone and everyone, though a little more success would be nice...) so we have to compete anyway way we can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Gotta play hardball in this game. Rather us be seen as conniving or hardass than get fleeced on transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Im all for it, and theres a definite sense of pride in unearthing gems and moulding a side on a modest budget Our current buying policy seems to be very similar to the stance taken by MA and his business aquisitions and he dosnt seem to be the most popular. Would hate us to gain a poor reputation as a result, but then again i suppose Arsenal have been doing similar for years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If it means surviving in a world that increasingly favours the selling club and the mega rich, so be it. Whatever's best for the club and all that. My sentiments exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 It's a pretty ruthless and cut-throat way to sign/keep players but that's for Ashley and Llambias to deal with. I'm glad we're not a soft touch but we can't complain if selling clubs play the same game and we lose out on targets we go for. Turnabout's fair play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23599401.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't think we're behaving any worse than anyone else, and probably better than some. Although clubs aren't supposed to contact players, agents approach clubs and are approached by them, and that's how it works. If you don't do it, you get left behind. Where I think we do well is work out in advance which players are nearing the end of their contracts and might become available cheaply. Over a long period, we then work on attracting those players to the club. We don't reach the end of the season and then start chucking money around on players who happen to have acquired big reputations over the previous few months. Pro-active rather than reactive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 17m for Owen. Cant remember exact numbers for Luque. 8m for boom-shite. Shall I go on? Very happy with current policy. Anyway most clubs are at it - Harry/Ba. It seems to be the modern day tapping tactics. Play the game or loose out. Credit where it is due to MA and Co. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Three times we've bid for players this year and been told publically that our bid "wasn't serious". I'm all for cutting a good deal but I'm not sure what the point is of these uber low bids Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Think it's excellent. It goes against the way a lot of teams do business in football (throwing money around, basically), but it's nothing earth shattering. We evaluate talent, determine our own value, and then stick to it. In the past, silly money was thrown at players to get them here. That's not necessary. This is an incredible club with a majestic stadium playing in the most popular league in the world. We're finally using that to our advantage. When you combine that with the talented and together dressing room that we've built (partially by chance), it becomes a pretty attractive place. We have also been opportunistic and move quickly when a deal presents itself. Ashley and company have fucked up a lot of things and they still deserve blame for the relegation, tacky advertising, and the stadium renaming. But beyond that it's an incredible time to be a fan of this club. Long may it continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 It's not even hard business. It's just normal business really. Why should we submit bids too high from the off or not sound out talented players with contract release clauses? This is a good point. Are we just asking questions about this method because we're so not used to playing a bit of hardball? As far as I can see we're not being much harsher than other clubs, we're just not the pushovers we're used to being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Three times we've bid for players this year and been told publically that our bid "wasn't serious". I'm all for cutting a good deal but I'm not sure what the point is of these uber low bids the point is to unsettle the player so he makes things difficult for his current club. all a sudden their hand has been forced. we even used this same strategy saving pittance when it came to buying rob elliott from Charlton, who promptly reported us to the relevant authority. can't say i'm entirely comfortable with the strategy but you can't deny it yields results. thing is - we just can't then turn around and be all precious and uppity if, for example, harry redknapp ever did the same thing to, i dunno, our then star striker. saying that redknapp is still a cunt. I also think the policy has another use - we seem to simultaneously make enquiries for a number of different players and weigh up the responses to determine who to pursue further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Don't we look after agents a lot more than we used to? Put them up in nice Hotels and that? This has been an approach used by clubs for a while, Shakhtar Donestk are one example. Certainly we seem to be 'playing the game' with agents a bit more than we used to. Definitely an Ashley thing as evidenced by the initial appointments of Tony Jiminez and Jeff Vetere and the Nacho Gonzalez affair. Its good (and smart) to see us greasing the wheel. Look at the turnover league table. This is one way of us at least being able to attempt to level the playing field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Don't we look after agents a lot more than we used to? Put them up in nice Hotels and that? This has been an approach used by clubs for a while, Shakhtar Donestk are one example. Certainly we seem to be 'playing the game' with agents a bit more than we used to. Definitely an Ashley thing as evidenced by the initial appointments of Tony Jiminez and Jeff Vetere and the Nacho Gonzalez affair. Its good (and smart) to see us greasing the wheel. Look at the turnover league table. This is one way of us at least being able to attempt to level the playing field. Not sure what I'm basing this on, but I thought we had gone the other way in the post-Wise/Vetere/Keegan disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I think its getting increasingly hard for us. Our team has being doing a ridiculous job in negotiating for players, however we now have a reputation for it which means clubs are getting more and more prepared to deal with us. I think all hard business involves a little dirty dealing to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Don't we look after agents a lot more than we used to? Put them up in nice Hotels and that? This has been an approach used by clubs for a while, Shakhtar Donestk are one example. Certainly we seem to be 'playing the game' with agents a bit more than we used to. Definitely an Ashley thing as evidenced by the initial appointments of Tony Jiminez and Jeff Vetere and the Nacho Gonzalez affair. Its good (and smart) to see us greasing the wheel. Look at the turnover league table. This is one way of us at least being able to attempt to level the playing field. Not sure what I'm basing this on, but I thought we had gone the other way in the post-Wise/Vetere/Keegan disaster. I think they just make better decisions on who to grease up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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