TaylorJ_01 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 My mate got a season ticket and goes with my flatmate. So far he's been working 5/7 Saturday's so I just give him a tenner and use his season ticket. Mint seeing a team that wins all the time and it's a good atmosphere! Football is gash though. Motherwell have had a series of hilariously bad keepers. Lee Hollis, Gunnar Neilsen etc - they've resorted to Dan Tzardik who looks about 12. Going to the Caley Thistle game on Sat. So in short - yes f*** off I watch them almost every weekend by hook or by crook (not in person). Think Twardzik's been canny since coming in! Nielsen was plop, though. Lionel Ainsworth looked electric on New Year's Day and I love a bit of Keith Lasley/John Sutton, so hope you keep winning PS: Not forgetting Wallsend Boys Club product Shaun Hutchinson either. Ha, I had no idea. You should come down for a game - always have a good day out at the very least. May I ask why you watch them so much? John Sutton is hilarious, he's a cult hero. I think I've seen him touch the ball with his feet under 10 times. He's one of the best I've seen in the air, though. He pretty much refuses to use his feet ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Look at someone like Andros Townsend, the lad has been on loan about 10 times over the space of 3 or 4 seasons before making an impact with Spurs this year, just because a player isn't showing an immediate ability to be a first team regular at the age of 18 doesn't mean they aren't worth persevering with. I wouldn't say that when Campbell has had first team opportunities that he's looked totally out of place, he's not ready yet but what 18 year olds are? Just because he's not showing Wayne Rooney type ability at this age doesn't mean we should discard him as a waste of time, money and coaching resources. Very fair point and I see the likes of Townsend as the exception rather than the rule. The way I see it we seem to be setting oursleves up to fail rather than succeed in relation to youth development. Shays Given was making the point about scrapping the youth set up..what I am saying is lets have one that actually functions properly. One that functions without sentimentality and that expects and demands to succeed not fail. If we can see that these kids arent developing to the level we need them then YES I think we shouild be binning them much sooner than we are and have done in recent times..What's the alternative " Oh boss we have this kid. I reckon in 4 years time at the age of 21/20 he will be good enough for league 1!"...which is largely what is happening now and has been for a few years...If we can't spot how a player is or isn't developing in 1/2/3 years then by christ there is something wrong with whoever is evaliuating that progress surely? Our youth set up isn't for developing players who can perform at Darlo. Kilmarnock or Hartlepool in 3/4 years time and we should be able to spot this sooner imo, react to the non developing players, get rid of em and focus on trying to get the 5% 0r 3% that actually will make it... I would add the likes of Sammi Ameobi to the mix..not good enough..imo. Time will tell with Campbell. For me hasn't got it in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 My mate got a season ticket and goes with my flatmate. So far he's been working 5/7 Saturday's so I just give him a tenner and use his season ticket. Mint seeing a team that wins all the time and it's a good atmosphere! Football is gash though. Motherwell have had a series of hilariously bad keepers. Lee Hollis, Gunnar Neilsen etc - they've resorted to Dan Tzardik who looks about 12. Going to the Caley Thistle game on Sat. So in short - yes f*** off I watch them almost every weekend by hook or by crook (not in person). Think Twardzik's been canny since coming in! Nielsen was plop, though. Lionel Ainsworth looked electric on New Year's Day and I love a bit of Keith Lasley/John Sutton, so hope you keep winning PS: Not forgetting Wallsend Boys Club product Shaun Hutchinson either. Ha, I had no idea. You should come down for a game - always have a good day out at the very least. May I ask why you watch them so much? John Sutton is hilarious, he's a cult hero. I think I've seen him touch the ball with his feet under 10 times. He's one of the best I've seen in the air, though. He pretty much refuses to use his feet ever Only recently realised he was Chris Sutton's brother, which makes him all the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Selling any youngster with a modicum of potential (eg in this case capped at youth levels) when they're 19 (by 2 fucking days in this case) is totally pointless, at least while the loan system is place. Honestly a nonsense, even if you don't play them if you loan them out and prove themselves their value goes up and you make more back to plough into the youth system/other players. Who was that players the mackems had? Waghorn? He was never gonna be good enough for them but they ended up getting £3 million or so for him because he did well at Leicester. Absolutely nothing to say at the very least Campbell couldn't fetch the same even if he doesn't make the grade here. He's 19, there's every chance he can make it. The poor cunt only made his first full start in football yesterday and he's written off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Selling any youngster with a modicum of potential (eg in this case capped at youth levels) when they're 19 (by 2 fucking days in this case) is totally pointless, at least while the loan system is place. Honestly a nonsense, even if you don't play them if you loan them out and prove themselves their value goes up and you make more back to plough into the youth system/other players. Who was that players the mackems had? Waghorn? He was never gonna be good enough for them but they ended up getting £3 million or so for him because he did well at Leicester. Absolutely nothing to say at the very least Campbell couldn't fetch the same even if he doesn't make the grade here. He's 19, there's every chance he can make it. The poor cunt only made his first full start in football yesterday and he's written off By one complete loon. Thankfully it's a minor case, we should stick him in quarantine just to make sure he's not Mr Flibble nuts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Scrapping the academy ffs just look at the likes of Krul and Taylor and think how much they've saved us instead of buying someone else, even the Ameobi's. Then you've got the money the likes of Carrol and even Chopra have brought in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Never said scrap the academy, ffs! Pointless trying to explain my position. As usual TT just wades in with insults. If we get £3m for Campbell I will eat my hat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I can't say I have seen much of Campbell so I can't say if I think he will or won't make it. At a similar age Carroll wasn't pulling up any tree's either, he only got a few cameo appearance in our side because of injuries to other players. In the Championship he only managed to get into the first team because we had no manger and din't bring anyone in on to replace the players we did lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Never said scrap the academy, ffs! Pointless trying to explain my position. As usual TT just wades in with insults. If we get £3m for Campbell I will eat my hat. What hat do you own ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 By the sounds of it he should be wearing the Hogwart's sorting hat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I can't say I have seen much of Campbell so I can't say if I think he will or won't make it. At a similar age Carroll wasn't pulling up any tree's either, he only got a few cameo appearance in our side because of injuries to other players. In the Championship he only managed to get into the first team because we had no manger and din't bring anyone in on to replace the players we did lose. Carroll had his height and physique in his favour - some managers/teams will always want a big strong CF, even if he isn't the best in the skills dept although Carroll was not too bad in that respect ; Campbell is small and small forwards have to be really good to make an impact. KK himself went in for intensive body-building whilst at Scunthorpe as a teenager and even he is taller than Campbell is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Never said scrap the academy, ffs! Pointless trying to explain my position. As usual TT just wades in with insults. If we get £3m for Campbell I will eat my hat. I can't believe you expect anything more than that after writing off a teenager after one game in which he's scored. It's dumb, the whole conversation is thick beyond belief. You are an absolute joke that thankfully no fucker gets. You've been totally panned here, not just by me, by everyone with any bit of sense knocking about in their head. Maybe you just wanted attention? It's the only reason I can think of someone coming up with such a moronic opinion unless they are a WUM. So attention, WUM or thick, whatever your deal is, ridicule is remedy - don't blame sane people for reacting like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Harsh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Harsh. The truth and nowhere near as harsh as writing of a kid after one fucking game in which he scored. Anyway I'm done on this matter, good luck Adam, hope you score a boatload and come back a few steps nearer to making an impact for us. God knows we'll need some options next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 He's entitled to his opinion TT, it's not really an out of this world opinion , more presumptuous maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 He's entitled to his opinion TT, it's not really an out of this world opinion , more presumptuous maybe. He can have his unwarranted and unfounded opinion on Campbell and I can have mine on George. Mine is better and currently proven, that's all. In all seriousness though it's a disgrace the lack of support a supposed fan can give to one of our youth players. Almost willing him to fail. I want them all to succeed, given time and given games to prove themselves and should they not make the grade here then have relatively successful careers somewhere else. He should have been out on loan sooner, but as always is the case here we hang on to them for too long because our squad is so thin, hopefully these games catch him up and he goes on to prove George completely wrong. If he was 23 and still this level I'd agree, the fact he's only just turned 19 and all George is basing his opinion on is the lads size (can't be his game time, he scored on his full debut, been banging them in and playing well for our youth levels and when he has appeared for us didn't he have a hand in the winner against Fulham which a lot of people herald as the game that kept us up?) is moronic, how can anyone say otherwise? You can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 He's entitled to his opinion TT, it's not really an out of this world opinion , more presumptuous maybe. He can have his unwarranted and unfounded opinion on Campbell and I can have mine on George. Mine is better and currently proven, that's all. In all seriousness though it's a disgrace the lack of support a supposed fan can give to one of our youth players. Almost willing him to fail. I want them all to succeed, given time and given games to prove themselves and should they not make the grade here then have relatively successful careers somewhere else. He should have been out on loan sooner, but as always is the case here we hang on to them for too long because our squad is so thin, hopefully these games catch him up and he goes on to prove George completely wrong. If he was 23 and still this level I'd agree, the fact he's only just turned 19 and all George is basing his opinion on is the lads size (can't be his game time, he scored on his full debut, been banging them in and playing well for our youth levels and when he has appeared for us didn't he have a hand in the winner against Fulham which a lot of people herald as the game that kept us up?) is moronic, how can anyone say otherwise? You can't. He seems to have regressed since then though that could be just our arsehole manager. And the arsehole manager and the regime running things could be the reasoning behind Georges opinion. I agree with you mind, I'd want to see him more before making any decisions on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 But how do you bin the players who aren't going to make it? Offer them shorter contracts or no pro contract at all? The number of scouts at youth games at Premiership clubs would mean you'd miss out on gems more often than not, unless the player was above and beyond to offer a decent deal for his age. The current way is a good way to do it and if a young player doesn't make it, it's at little cost to the club to send them out on loan. I just wish we sent youth players out on loan more often, in the past it's something that has certainly been lacking. Look at someone like Inman. He'll have a decent career at the lower levels, whereas if we had decided to bin him without loaning him out, he would have found it far more difficult to find a club as a free agent with only youth appearances for us behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 But how do you bin the players who aren't going to make it? Offer them shorter contracts or no pro contract at all? The number of scouts at youth games at Premiership clubs would mean you'd miss out on gems more often than not, unless the player was above and beyond to offer a decent deal for his age. The current way is a good way to do it and if a young player doesn't make it, it's at little cost to the club to send them out on loan. I just wish we sent youth players out on loan more often, in the past it's something that has certainly been lacking. Look at someone like Inman. He'll have a decent career at the lower levels, whereas if we had decided to bin him without loaning him out, he would have found it far more difficult to find a club as a free agent with only youth appearances for us behind him. Most just get released don't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Yeah most will, but it's after a decent amount of time unless it's clear at youth level there's nothing there. I'm arguing more against the point of binning Campbell. He might not make it here but I'd rather he went out on loan a few times more, scored a few goals and added to his price tag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 With more money coming into the Premiership, it gets easier and easier for clubs to recruit good, ready-made players from abroad, and that inevitably makes it harder for young players to break through the ranks in the top division. The standard is now so high, that unless you're a Wilshere or a Barkley, it's very difficult, and of course clubs don't want to take risks about their place in the Premiership. It looks increasingly like players of talent will have to work their way through the lower divisions, perhaps on loan, until they get their chance at about 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Just sell him. Get him off the books and let the lad find his level in the SPL or the Championship/League 1. Not ever gonna be good enough for us. Campbell has looked reasonable when we've given him a chance, it's just a pity he hasn't been given more opportunities to show what he can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Well TT what can I say. as usual you resort to attacks, personal insults and nothing but vitriol. True to form sadly. I was merely suggesting that imo our youth set up, academy whatever you want to call it has been failing for some time. We dont seem to develop youngsters to the level or standard that we require, or the level we should certainly be aiming for. Consistently failing imo. Maybe we, and clubs like us, at our status/level aren't the best places for these kids to actually develop? maybe a progressive development via lower league set ups would lead to youngsters having progressive rather than regressive career developments.? Are other clubs as unsuccessful as us in developing young talent? Maybe Niel, brum or Zolton can shed light? or do we and others just not 'get rid' of non developing players in a timeous manner, imo we seem to have kids at 16/17 who are still the same player at 22/23 an awful lot... I have never said we should scrap our youth developmnet programme, rather I want it to be better and actually work. imo at the moment it is poor in terms of its results. As for young Adam. I thnik the lad will have a very succesful career in football. There is no shame in being a pro footballer operating at league 1,2, championship or in the SPL etc. I personally do not see anything in the lad that suggests he is or will be a player who can make an impact with us or at the level we are allegedly aiming for. If im a lunatic for having this belief then thats your opinion TT. I would call it a diffence of opinion and would hope not to belittle you by personal insults. I aint a WUM, or seeking attention either, merely trying to concerse with N.O posters whos views and opinions I respect and enjoy, on the most part, reading. Bimpy..I have a variety of hats, including an authentic Soviet style guards hat, rabbit fur, complete with glorious hammer and sycle badge..may be nice with some salt and chilli sauce. We can judge wheter I will be eating it sometime around 2016/17 I would imagine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 True to form you come crying like a little bitch. You weren't just suggesting our system was failing, that I'd agree with, you picked on one player in particular. Just sell him. Get him off the books and let the lad find his level in the SPL or the Championship/League 1. Not ever gonna be good enough for us. So kindly fuck off trying to change what happened. As for the rest of your post I won't bother, it started with an absolute lie the rest will be filled with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Give it a fucking rest lads, if you want to say nasty words to one another use the PM function. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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