Dave Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 “I am really disappointed. We had a few problems in the game with injuries which made it more difficult and we lacked a bit of power on the pitch. We miss Tiote. “I wish I could put my finger on it. We have a side who have already played 17 games and it is proving difficult to get some rhythm going. Away from home we have been solid and dogged, but at home we need to perform better than today. We have only lost four games in those 18, but this hurts.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 “I am really disappointed. We had a few problems in the game with injuries which made it more difficult and we lacked a bit of power on the pitch. We miss Tiote. “I wish I could put my finger on it. We have a side who have already played 17 games and it is proving difficult to get some rhythm going. Away from home we have been solid and dogged, but at home we need to perform better than today. We have only lost four games in those 18, but this hurts.” I don't know what to say to that, it's mind boggling if true and to be fair, actions seem to suggest that it is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I know its normal for the fans to disagree with the manager on certain things, but with better managers they always seem to know what they're doing and more often than not they'll prove us wrong in the long run. ... can't see that happening here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 “I wish I could put my finger on it. We have a side who have already played 17 games and it is proving difficult to get some rhythm going. Away from home we have been solid and dogged, but at home we need to perform better than today. We have only lost four games in those 18, but this hurts.” im freaking scared now, and halloween has already passed, some f*** up s*** this really is from Pardew's quotes. Harrowing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I wonder if any of our first team players are pissed off that they contributed to us finishing 5th and are not getting a game in Europe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I wonder if any of our first team players are p*ssed off that they contributed to us finishing 5th and are not getting a game in Europe? doubt it, its not the champions league, thats the platform to put yourself in the shop window or get global recognition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I wonder if any of our first team players are pissed off that they contributed to us finishing 5th and are not getting a game in Europe? I sometimes wonder (only half-joking to myself) if pissing off some players is part of the plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 “I am really disappointed. We had a few problems in the game with injuries which made it more difficult and we lacked a bit of power on the pitch. We miss Tiote. “I wish I could put my finger on it. We have a side who have already played 17 games and it is proving difficult to get some rhythm going. Away from home we have been solid and dogged, but at home we need to perform better than today. We have only lost four games in those 18, but this hurts.” That is a scary quote. Almost every one of us can name the problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He's absolutely clueless, scary! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He makes it sound like he's happy with our "solid and dogged" away form there too. Err still without a win away Alan (even against three very poor Euro sides) and I reckon whoever does get that 4th Champions League place that we're apparently aiming for will have been able to say they've been more than solid and dogged. Hate shit like that. Our away support doesn't spend so much and travel so far to watch us battle out draws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayno Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Watching Fulham the other day and i just just couldn't help but wonder how good we would be if he had of come in and had the same resources as Alan Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Pardew would be better off saying nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I can't be arsed to dig up old quotes from West Ham fans when we took him onboard as manger, or trawling wiki right now for managerial statistics, but he's basically reverting to type the same way he did at West Ham. He goes into a team, does well initially and then completely falls away. The same kind of s*** happened at Charlton too iirc. Pardew has, and always will, spout the same s**** that 'the fans want to hear'. The same way he did when he first joined us, the same excuses we hear in pre season, the same old after we get a heavy defeat or a fantastic win - it's really becoming see through now. it seems to be anybody and anything else which is the problem and rarely pins it on himself if s*** goes bad. How can he previously blame european fixtures when we were just a quarter of a way into the season and fielding an almost different team for the european games? I just can't understand why you would change something that was previously working very well last season and end up with the turgid, lathargic and unmotivated displays we see this season. Whilst I can see that sounds wholly ungrateful for what we achieved last season, to which he was and contributed a large a part to, last season was last season and if everything seems to have gone backwards since then then he's also to blame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Well it's been commented on before that Stewart Robson (the ex Arsenal player and current pundit) said on Espn when Pardew took the job that he was a phoney who would consistently claim that he was playing passing football but always actually play the long ball. I've heard Robson since speak about Pardew and while he clearly has a chip on his shoulder about him, I don't think anyone could argue that he wasn't absolutely on the nail with that particular prediction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 what's perhaps bothering me most about pardew at the moment is the absolute lack of a gameplan, i think if we were playing a direct game that had some sort of purpose and direction about it i could maybe live with it but it's all so fucking random and aimless say what you want about allardyce but his teams usually know what they're going out to do, it's patently obvious from watching us that the players have no idea what they're supposed to be doing half the time could go into more detail but what's the point, everyone is watching the same shit, however i do wonder what pardew thinks is going to happen when he keeps throwing the same players out with the same formation at home and the same thing keeps happening every week, does he think it's going to change on it's own or something? we lose the midfield battle every week, cabaye is never going to thrive in a 4-4-2 as much as pardew might want it...also i've rarely seen us so static as a team, no-one gets beyond the ball ever therefore it's always up to the individual to do something to turn a game...it's the easiest thing in the world to defend against a rigid/static team, as we're seeing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I can't be arsed to dig up old quotes from West Ham fans when we took him onboard as manger, or trawling wiki right now for managerial statistics, but he's basically reverting to type the same way he did at West Ham. He goes into a team, does well initially and then completely falls away. The same kind of s*** happened at Charlton too iirc. Pardew has, and always will, spout the same s**** that 'the fans want to hear'. The same way he did when he first joined us, the same excuses we hear in pre season, the same old after we get a heavy defeat or a fantastic win - it's really becoming see through now. it seems to be anybody and anything else which is the problem and rarely pins it on himself if s*** goes bad. How can he previously blame european fixtures when we were just a quarter of a way into the season and fielding an almost different team for the european games? I just can't understand why you would change something that was previously working very well last season and end up with the turgid, lathargic and unmotivated displays we see this season. Whilst I can see that sounds wholly ungrateful for what we achieved last season, to which he was and contributed a large a part to, last season was last season and if everything seems to have gone backwards since then then he's also to blame Well it's been commented on before that Stewart Robson (the ex Arsenal player and current pundit) said on Espn when Pardew took the job that he was a phoney who would consistently claim that he was playing passing football but always actually play the long ball. I've heard Robson since speak about Pardew and while he clearly has a chip on his shoulder about him, I don't think anyone could argue that he wasn't absolutely on the nail with that particular prediction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The gameplan is to hoof to Ba. The end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think most of our fans have finally worked him out, it's up to him to change things now and by doing so try and change the direction of our season. Just watch, he'll be written off and win a cup or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think most of our fans have finally worked him out, it's up to him to change things now and by doing so try and change the direction of our season. Just watch, he'll be written off and win a cup or something. thing is on the other bit of this post he's got the players he needs to change the style of play with no bother, i just don't think he's capable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think most of our fans have finally worked him out, it's up to him to change things now and by doing so try and change the direction of our season. Just watch, he'll be written off and win a cup or something. thing is on the other bit of this post he's got the players he needs to change the style of play with no bother, i just don't think he's capable I mainly agree, my only hope is that he'll begin to feel some pressure and that will force change, a bit like last season when the fans were singing for Ben Arfa to come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Re: your point on winning the midfield battle Mojo, it's worth noting that one of the only times Tiote and Cabaye have played together as a pair and dominated was against Man United in the 3-0... And they played 4-4-2. I know it's become a cliche that the formation is the cause of all our problems but I'd like to hear from the people who think that it makes little difference and that the players are to blame, why they think that almost every team at the top level in Europe has abandoned 4-4-2 if the formation's so inconsequential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Re: your point on winning the midfield battle Mojo, it's worth noting that one of the only times Tiote and Cabaye have played together as a pair and dominated was against Man United in the 3-0... And they played 4-4-2. I know it's become a cliche that the formation is the cause of all our problems but I'd like to hear from the people who think that it makes little difference and that the players are to blame, why they think that almost every team at the top level in Europe has abandoned 4-4-2 if the formation's so inconsequential. good point, i work with a lad who won't have the formation thing and just puts it down to the players "not doing it"...even if that was the case then as manager isn't it up to AP to affect some kind of change on proceedings? if he's coaching carpet football monday to friday then cabaye & co are going out and playing aimless floatball to ba 'cause they think it's mint he should drop the cunts with immediate effect and play someone who'll play his game that scenario is frankly ridiculous though, when you consider the quality of player funny thing though, trying to think of players who don't resort to floatball and can only come up with HBA, santon and jonas...strangley enough they're the ones in the team who have technical ability and the speed/skill to beat a man, shock! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Re: your point on winning the midfield battle Mojo, it's worth noting that one of the only times Tiote and Cabaye have played together as a pair and dominated was against Man United in the 3-0... And they played 4-4-2. I know it's become a cliche that the formation is the cause of all our problems but I'd like to hear from the people who think that it makes little difference and that the players are to blame, why they think that almost every team at the top level in Europe has abandoned 4-4-2 if the formation's so inconsequential. mustn't forget they had injuries which ment giggs and carrick in the center, hardly the most combative pair man utd could have put out when they had to contend with cabaye and tiote. formations are inconsequential if your manager keeps telling the players to hold their shape and blast it long all day, and the players are getting bored of same pragmatic approach to every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The pressure is building now, we cannot keep rolling out the same excuses each week, "started slowly" etc. We are 11 games into the season, almost a third and to quote Pardew, you know where you are after 10 games. Well, the observation after 11 games is not great. A few months off over the summer (ok the signs where there at the end of last season) and we seem to have lost the flair and expansive approach that seems to serve us so well last year. It appears we have adopted a negative, safety first approach which IMO is seriously hurting all our flair players. They are now low on confidence as a result of it. You can talk formations all day long, I don’t really think this is the issue. We are getting the basics wrong in a big way. Passing is poor, control is poor and movement is even worse from mid field to attack - there are no options and people just run into brick walls and give the ball back. We are certainly not relegation candidates but we are certainly not going to be anywhere near 5th come the end of the season if we carry on like this. Personally I would like us to loose this conservative bollocks and actually go for it. OK we might loose the odd game by a margin (like last season) but more often that not we will win. We have the players to cause the damage, they are just not being allowed to play right now. Grow some bollocks AP, it is not Thursday/Sunday, Injuries it is fundamental basics that need sorting out, not the same old bollocks each week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The only fearless managers I've ever seen at the helm of our club are Messrs Keegan and Sir Bobby. You felt a tingle in your balls each matchday and even when you lost 0-1 at home, it felt just like a bad day at the office, and you knew it wasn't a signal of a larger malaise at the club. With every other manager, these types of 0-1 home defeats generally signal the beginning of the end for the manager (a la 0-1 Derby, for Fat Sam). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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