Chris_R Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think N'Zogbia and Milner was the last time I remember us fielding 2 proper, competent wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 That's pushing it for Milner imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I've said this before but Stoke make you change your game plan. Their style is imposed and you will have to deal with it. For us. If Ba has a bad day & HBA is quiet. That's it. I agree with you but bringing up Stoke as an example is a bit strange. They had 1 shot on goal against Villa if you believe the BBC stats, Skysports has them on 2 That's hardly imposing their style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 N'Zogbia and Solano did fine in 2005-06. Aye under Roeder. Then what did Roeder do, buys Duff and plays him instead. Sure it was Freddy that bought Duff iirc. That was the crack at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Our passing was clearly more effective against Fulham than it has been in previous games, even when Shola came on. We passed it short more but it wasn't effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Our attacking play against Wigan and Fulham has improved. Our team is now collapsing in defence. Tiote's form is a large part of that and Williamson, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think N'Zogbia and Milner was the last time I remember us fielding 2 proper, competent wingers. errr.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think N'Zogbia and Milner was the last time I remember us fielding 2 proper, competent wingers. errr.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think N'Zogbia and Milner was the last time I remember us fielding 2 proper, competent wingers. errr.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 i would have gone with solano and robert rather than charles and knuckle head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Some people have short memories Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I liked N'Zogbia. Shame Kinnear is a thunderous twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 N'Zogbia is quite good in creating, just a bit too selfish. Milner on the other hand... Jonas' game is purely based on stamina and pace. Once he lost them, he is finished. I feel sorry for him because he has done a huge lot of us and deserve huge credit, especially for covering our left backs. However the time has come and he has to relegate to be a squad player instead of starting 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm a bit surprised Jonas has sustained a career as a winger rather than tending to play as a shuttling centre-mid, which is what he is clearly born to be. He's never offered any end product so having him playing as a winger with the nominal task of crossing (especially on his weaker foot), or cutting in to imitate someone who can shoot, has always seemed a bit daft for me. Left of centre in a 4-3-3 he comes into his own, dominating a huge area of the pitch with his work rate and setting up dangerous attacks with his runs through the middle before laying the ball off to more talented players. He's a natural carrilerro and one of the reasons Newcastle would appear to have the personnel for a 4-3-1-2 (Tiote and him either side of Cabaye with Ben Arfa in front of them). In any case, what he's been doing out on the wing all his life I've no idea, let alone a left winger in a 4-4-2 with a right-footed fullback behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 N'Zogbia was a twat too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm a bit surprised Jonas has sustained a career as a winger rather than tending to play as a shuttling centre-mid, which is what he is clearly born to be. He's never offered any end product so having him playing as a winger with the nominal task of crossing (especially on his weaker foot), or cutting in to imitate someone who can shoot, has always seemed a bit daft for me. Left of centre in a 4-3-3 he comes into his own, dominating a huge area of the pitch with his work rate and setting up dangerous attacks with his runs through the middle before laying the ball off to more talented players. He's a natural carrilerro and one of the reasons Newcastle would appear to have the personnel for a 4-3-1-2 (Tiote and him either side of Cabaye with Ben Arfa in front of them). In any case, what he's been doing out on the wing all his life I've no idea, let alone a left winger in a 4-4-2 with a right-footed fullback behind him. Needs a skinhead and some steroids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm a bit surprised Jonas has sustained a career as a winger rather than tending to play as a shuttling centre-mid, which is what he is clearly born to be. He's never offered any end product so having him playing as a winger with the nominal task of crossing (especially on his weaker foot), or cutting in to imitate someone who can shoot, has always seemed a bit daft for me. Left of centre in a 4-3-3 he comes into his own, dominating a huge area of the pitch with his work rate and setting up dangerous attacks with his runs through the middle before laying the ball off to more talented players. He's a natural carrilerro and one of the reasons Newcastle would appear to have the personnel for a 4-3-1-2 (Tiote and him either side of Cabaye with Ben Arfa in front of them). In any case, what he's been doing out on the wing all his life I've no idea, let alone a left winger in a 4-4-2 with a right-footed fullback behind him. Hello mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm a bit surprised Jonas has sustained a career as a winger rather than tending to play as a shuttling centre-mid, which is what he is clearly born to be. He's never offered any end product so having him playing as a winger with the nominal task of crossing (especially on his weaker foot), or cutting in to imitate someone who can shoot, has always seemed a bit daft for me. Left of centre in a 4-3-3 he comes into his own, dominating a huge area of the pitch with his work rate and setting up dangerous attacks with his runs through the middle before laying the ball off to more talented players. He's a natural carrilerro and one of the reasons Newcastle would appear to have the personnel for a 4-3-1-2 (Tiote and him either side of Cabaye with Ben Arfa in front of them). In any case, what he's been doing out on the wing all his life I've no idea, let alone a left winger in a 4-4-2 with a right-footed fullback behind him. Hello mate. I apologise in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Question in his presser: Even though the results haven't been coming, you've been consoled by the fact you have actually been creating chances? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/dowie.png 33 crosses away from home and 7 shots on target usually equates to 2 or 3 goals The fact that only last month he suggested statistics were misleading aside, it is quite concerning that he seems to have such a simplistic view of attacking play, and thinks that more crosses = more goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Question in his presser: Even though the results haven't been coming, you've been consoled by the fact you have actually been creating chances? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/dowie.png 33 crosses away from home and 7 shots on target usually equates to 2 or 3 goals The fact that only last month he suggested statistics were misleading aside, it is quite concerning that he seems to have such a simplistic view of attacking play, and thinks that more crosses = more goals. Are we expecting a 30-45% conversion rate from shots on target? Plus the fact that Simmo could float in 500 crosses and we still wouldn't score from them. Quality not quantity please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Question in his presser: Even though the results haven't been coming, you've been consoled by the fact you have actually been creating chances? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/dowie.png 33 crosses away from home and 7 shots on target usually equates to 2 or 3 goals The fact that only last month he suggested statistics were misleading aside, it is quite concerning that he seems to have such a simplistic view of attacking play, and thinks that more crosses = more goals. How would you quantify chances or getting in positions to potentially create chances then, if asked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Question in his presser: Even though the results haven't been coming, you've been consoled by the fact you have actually been creating chances? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/dowie.png 33 crosses away from home and 7 shots on target usually equates to 2 or 3 goals The fact that only last month he suggested statistics were misleading aside, it is quite concerning that he seems to have such a simplistic view of attacking play, and thinks that more crosses = more goals. How would you quantify chances or getting in positions to potentially create chances then, if asked? That's not the question he was asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Question in his presser: Even though the results haven't been coming, you've been consoled by the fact you have actually been creating chances? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/dowie.png 33 crosses away from home and 7 shots on target usually equates to 2 or 3 goals The fact that only last month he suggested statistics were misleading aside, it is quite concerning that he seems to have such a simplistic view of attacking play, and thinks that more crosses = more goals. How would you quantify chances or getting in positions to potentially create chances then, if asked? That's not the question he was asked. That's not an answer to my question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Question in his presser: Even though the results haven't been coming, you've been consoled by the fact you have actually been creating chances? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/dowie.png 33 crosses away from home and 7 shots on target usually equates to 2 or 3 goals The fact that only last month he suggested statistics were misleading aside, it is quite concerning that he seems to have such a simplistic view of attacking play, and thinks that more crosses = more goals. How would you quantify chances or getting in positions to potentially create chances then, if asked? That's not the question he was asked. That's not an answer to my question. And one is the other but the other is not so which one is a swan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Question in his presser: Even though the results haven't been coming, you've been consoled by the fact you have actually been creating chances? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/dowie.png 33 crosses away from home and 7 shots on target usually equates to 2 or 3 goals The fact that only last month he suggested statistics were misleading aside, it is quite concerning that he seems to have such a simplistic view of attacking play, and thinks that more crosses = more goals. How would you quantify chances or getting in positions to potentially create chances then, if asked? That's not the question he was asked. That's not an answer to my question. Why are you asking that question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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