Alan Pardew

[Elliottman]

We are going to struggle/leak goals until Williamson and Simpson are replaced. Hopefully it will be rectified in January, if not then they can all go fuck themselves.

[Dokko]

IMHO we could carry Simpson if we bought a solid cb. I know the ground work is done for Debuchy, but I'd rather the club go all out for a cb if it meant choosing one or the other, and knowing us that'll be the score if we're lucky.

 

End of the day Santon is lucky he has Colo next to him, watching, guiding and there to cover mistakes, Simpson has Williamson, must be difficult for him to cope with. Also it stretches Colo looking after shit to the right of him as well as his own job and protecting his young lb.

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

That's why I said Pardew has a point in playing that rigid direct style last season because our defenders are fucking hopeless.

 

don't believe this for a second myself, if we signed debuchy and douglas on 1st january i don't think it'd change his approach one iota

[Mistle17]

That's why I said Pardew has a point in playing that rigid direct style last season because our defenders are f***ing hopeless.

 

don't believe this for a second myself, if we signed debuchy and douglas on 1st january i don't think it'd change his approach one iota

[Ronaldo]

That's why I said Pardew has a point in playing that rigid direct style last season because our defenders are f***ing hopeless.

 

don't believe this for a second myself, if we signed debuchy and douglas on 1st january i don't think it'd change his approach one iota

 

I don't see why not, mate. There's being cautious and there's pissing points away.

[ExiledGeordie]

IMHO we could carry Simpson if we bought a solid cb. I know the ground work is done for Debuchy, but I'd rather the club go all out for a cb if it meant choosing one or the other, and knowing us that'll be the score if we're lucky.

 

End of the day Santon is lucky he has Colo next to him, watching, guiding and there to cover mistakes, Simpson has Williamson, must be difficult for him to cope with. Also it stretches Colo looking after s*** to the right of him as well as his own job and protecting his young lb.

 

Definitely agree with that. I think a solid CH is more important than a RB. The thought however of a quality RB who can attack, take on a man and cross is the stuff dreams are made of

[Zero]

The system last year was basically we put 3 midfield (cabaye, tiote, jonas) to protect the defense line, and use the direct approach to utilize our strikers' clinical finishing and prevent counter attack. This system worked last season because the key players were always available.  We got huge luck in having most of them free from injury. The result proved that this system "worked".

 

Not saying that we should continue this formula this season, but I just want to emphasize that this system hugely depends on the availability of those key players which are not ALL available this season. As a result the defense line completely collapsed. On the other hand, this system wont bring us enough goals to cover up the goals conceded and that's why where we are now.

[Benwell Lad]

IMHO we could carry Simpson if we bought a solid cb. I know the ground work is done for Debuchy, but I'd rather the club go all out for a cb if it meant choosing one or the other, and knowing us that'll be the score if we're lucky.

 

End of the day Santon is lucky he has Colo next to him, watching, guiding and there to cover mistakes, Simpson has Williamson, must be difficult for him to cope with. Also it stretches Colo looking after s*** to the right of him as well as his own job and protecting his young lb.

 

Definitely agree with that. I think a solid CH is more important than a RB. The thought however of a quality RB who can attack, take on a man and cross is the stuff dreams are made of

 

Tend to disagree with that.

Although we need both a RB and CH, Williamson is essentially a squad player who for whatever reason (injuries,suspensions) has played far more games than he would have expected to, whereas even with Raylor fit Simpson would be considered first choice RB. I also (although don't want to start debating it) think he is a weaker link than Williamson.

So we need both, but if there's a discussion on priority it's RB for me.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Hell with all that we need both

[colinmk]

If he gets us playing like we did yesterday on a regular basis then it won't be such a bad season. Thought he had everything pretty much spot on yesterday and on another day we would have had at least a point.

[Jack Flash]

If he gets us playing like we did yesterday on a regular basis then it won't be such a bad season. Thought he had everything pretty much spot on yesterday and on another day we would have had at least a point.

 

We'd have had a point yesterday if he didn't take our strikers off. He was begging them to attack us by doing that.

[Ronaldo]

Ba had to come off, to be fair. He's absolutely beyond useless in circumstances where you need to see out a game.

[Skirge]

Tough for Pards really, a very heavy pitch a huge game another huge away game in a few days and he tried to protect what we had.

[Jack Flash]

Ba had to come off, to be fair. He's absolutely beyond useless in circumstances where you need to see out a game.

 

That's usually a fair point but when you're bringing on the Ameobi brothers, Ba staying on is the better option simply because he can finish and that scares teams. If they'd have taken Van Persie and Hernandez off I'd have been delighted.

[mrmojorisin75]

That's why I said Pardew has a point in playing that rigid direct style last season because our defenders are f***ing hopeless.

 

don't believe this for a second myself, if we signed debuchy and douglas on 1st january i don't think it'd change his approach one iota

 

I don't see why not, mate. There's being cautious and there's pissing points away.

 

i just think his primary gameplan and goal is always to keep the defence tight, so signing better defenders would lead him to revert to the plan of last season which was based on starting out to keep it tight for a 1-0 win and if we somehow managed to score more then great

 

just my opinion, you never know, i've been frankly devastated by the way he's set the team out to play this season after the way we ended the last...it's like he went out of his way to undo all the good work that was done

[madras]

That's why I said Pardew has a point in playing that rigid direct style last season because our defenders are f***ing hopeless.

 

don't believe this for a second myself, if we signed debuchy and douglas on 1st january i don't think it'd change his approach one iota

 

I don't see why not, mate. There's being cautious and there's pissing points away.

 

i just think his primary gameplan and goal is always to keep the defence tight, so signing better defenders would lead him to revert to the plan of last season which was based on starting out to keep it tight for a 1-0 win and if we somehow managed to score more then great

 

just my opinion, you never know, i've been frankly devastated by the way he's set the team out to play this season after the way we ended the last...it's like he went out of his way to undo all the good work that was done

i'm not too sure debuchy is that much of a better defender than simpson, he is much better in possession though.

 

edit, also the plan of 99% of teams is always to keep it tight when not in possession.

[mrmojorisin75]

That's why I said Pardew has a point in playing that rigid direct style last season because our defenders are f***ing hopeless.

 

don't believe this for a second myself, if we signed debuchy and douglas on 1st january i don't think it'd change his approach one iota

 

I don't see why not, mate. There's being cautious and there's pissing points away.

 

i just think his primary gameplan and goal is always to keep the defence tight, so signing better defenders would lead him to revert to the plan of last season which was based on starting out to keep it tight for a 1-0 win and if we somehow managed to score more then great

 

just my opinion, you never know, i've been frankly devastated by the way he's set the team out to play this season after the way we ended the last...it's like he went out of his way to undo all the good work that was done

i'm not too sure debuchy is that much of a better defender than simpson, he is much better in possession though.

 

edit, also the plan of 99% of teams is always to keep it tight when not in possession.

 

debuchy would be very, very interesting in terms of seeing what pardew would do with him...we'd essentially have 2 santon's out there able to get up, support play and comfortable on the ball

 

i'm intruged to see how he'd manage that in all honestly...and it's a genuine question raised elsewhere i think, should we be even considering debuchy (if we are) without a new CB?  could be a recipe for utter disaster

[mrmojorisin75]

edit, also the plan of 99% of teams is always to keep it tight when not in possession.

 

i didn't say "when not in possession"

[cp40]

 

 

Pardiokuntla.

 

 

c/o SMB

[Dokko]

IMHO we could carry Simpson if we bought a solid cb. I know the ground work is done for Debuchy, but I'd rather the club go all out for a cb if it meant choosing one or the other, and knowing us that'll be the score if we're lucky.

 

End of the day Santon is lucky he has Colo next to him, watching, guiding and there to cover mistakes, Simpson has Williamson, must be difficult for him to cope with. Also it stretches Colo looking after s*** to the right of him as well as his own job and protecting his young lb.

 

Definitely agree with that. I think a solid CH is more important than a RB. The thought however of a quality RB who can attack, take on a man and cross is the stuff dreams are made of

 

Tend to disagree with that.

Although we need both a RB and CH, Williamson is essentially a squad player who for whatever reason (injuries,suspensions) has played far more games than he would have expected to, whereas even with Raylor fit Simpson would be considered first choice RB. I also (although don't want to start debating it) think he is a weaker link than Williamson.

So we need both, but if there's a discussion on priority it's RB for me.

 

Rb is a much less dangerous position than cb IMO. You make a mistake RB you've still got cover, you make a mistake at cb and its a goal at this level. The fact you need two cb to one RB also makes it vital to have good quality and cover. We don't. Williamson needs to be 4th choice more then we need Simpson to be 2nd choice, we can put put a lot more capable players at RB than we can at cb and that sways it for me. Next in line if willo got injured right now is a midfielder or a youth player with zero minutes, in such a critical position it's frightening.

 

RB is also a lot less specialised than cb, and why you get CBs and wingers playing there quite often with good effect. Maybe the answer lies there, in a player capable of playing both positions comfortably.

 

 

[oldtype]

It would be nice to not have to see Williamson as much, but RB is a key strategic weakness for us.

 

We mostly play without any traditional wide players, so we need our fullbacks to overlap often and provide width.

 

Just look at how often Simpson is involved in our attacks despite the fact that it doesn't suit his skillset. Now imagine we had someone who could actually run with the ball and cross in his place.

 

The club is aware of this, which is why Debuchy was priority one in the summer and why I hope he or another attacking RB will continue to be the first thing we look at moving forward.

[mrmojorisin75]

It would be nice to not have to see Williamson as much, but RB is a key strategic weakness for us.

 

We mostly play without any traditional wide players, so we need our fullbacks to overlap often and provide width.

 

Just look at how often Simpson is involved in our attacks despite the fact that it doesn't suit his skillset. Now imagine we had someone who could actually run with the ball and cross in his place.

 

The club is aware of this, which is why Debuchy was priority one in the summer and why I hope he or another attacking RB will continue to be the first thing we look at moving forward.

 

you'd have to wonder how much more exposed williamson is going to be though if we signed a player who can support the attacks on the right in the same way santon does on the left....

[Wullie]

Simpson does support the attack quite often though, he just happens to be unbelievably shit at it.

 

You could be right though, it makes it difficult for the opposition to break when Danny has shanked his cross out for a goal kick.

[Dr Venkman]

Clever managers will make sure Simpson is our only out ball, Jol did it to great effect.

[Guest neesy111]

We need a left footed left back as well, we have zero balance to our attacks must be so east to defend against our left side when 3/4's of the time they will cut inside.