TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Game was there to be won today, but he bottled it - set us up for the point. I'm disturbed as to how lacking in ideas and attacking play we are, as well as the lack of incoming transfers. Nevermind fannying about saying we are in for '3 or 4' - get them feckin signed! Given the circumstances this is the one time where I don't really blame him for setting us up for a point. We've been so open at the back recently conceding a flood of goals, we really needed not to get beaten yesterday. If we'd gone for it, left ourselves open and then conceded and lost it would have been a disaster the way things have been going. That said if he sets us up negatively at home against Reading or doesn't go for the kill against a Villa team almost on its knees then I'll be the first to come on here and slate him. I was quite happy with a point before yesterday until I saw how bad Norwich actually were. They look almost as bereft of confidence as us after losing 3 in a row before yesterday and they certainly had far less quality in their ranks. NowI'm wondering where our next win is coming from. I doubt we'll see many worse teams that them this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Game was there to be won today, but he bottled it - set us up for the point. I'm disturbed as to how lacking in ideas and attacking play we are, as well as the lack of incoming transfers. Nevermind fannying about saying we are in for '3 or 4' - get them feckin signed! Given the circumstances this is the one time where I don't really blame him for setting us up for a point. We've been so open at the back recently conceding a flood of goals, we really needed not to get beaten yesterday. If we'd gone for it, left ourselves open and then conceded and lost it would have been a disaster the way things have been going. That said if he sets us up negatively at home against Reading or doesn't go for the kill against a Villa team almost on its knees then I'll be the first to come on here and slate him. I was quite happy with a point before yesterday until I saw how bad Norwich actually were. They look almost as bereft of confidence as us after losing 3 in a row before yesterday and they certainly had far less quality in their ranks. NowI'm wondering where our next win is coming from. I doubt we'll see many worse teams that them this season. most people seemed happy with the team before the game. i didn't watched the game but caught the football first thing aqnd it just seemed like there was a huge gap between cisse and the midfield, particularly marveaux as he was supposed to be the 'no 10', a role i don't think he can play to any great effect. strange how many on here see him in that role but i don't see him as a central player. imo he has to play wide in a 4 or as a 2 off a forward where a lot of the job is still to provide width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Game was there to be won today, but he bottled it - set us up for the point. I'm disturbed as to how lacking in ideas and attacking play we are, as well as the lack of incoming transfers. Nevermind fannying about saying we are in for '3 or 4' - get them feckin signed! Given the circumstances this is the one time where I don't really blame him for setting us up for a point. We've been so open at the back recently conceding a flood of goals, we really needed not to get beaten yesterday. If we'd gone for it, left ourselves open and then conceded and lost it would have been a disaster the way things have been going. That said if he sets us up negatively at home against Reading or doesn't go for the kill against a Villa team almost on its knees then I'll be the first to come on here and slate him. I was quite happy with a point before yesterday until I saw how bad Norwich actually were. They look almost as bereft of confidence as us after losing 3 in a row before yesterday and they certainly had far less quality in their ranks. NowI'm wondering where our next win is coming from. I doubt we'll see many worse teams that them this season. most people seemed happy with the team before the game. i didn't watched the game but caught the football first thing aqnd it just seemed like there was a huge gap between cisse and the midfield, particularly marveaux as he was supposed to be the 'no 10', a role i don't think he can play to any great effect. strange how many on here see him in that role but i don't see him as a central player. imo he has to play wide in a 4 or as a 2 off a forward where a lot of the job is still to provide width. I think to get a point, which most people would have been happy with before the game the team was fine. Two defensive midfielders, three if you count Gutierrez. It's only when you realise that Norwich themselves were looking like a poor team that you start wondering where the next win will come from. While we defended ok, the wide players were awful going forward and Marveaux spent as much time in his own half as the opposition's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 well the good news is remy is 6ft+ so anita's long balls will have a better chance of hitting his head than cisse's /cowardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 well the good news is remy is 6ft+ so anita's long balls will have a better chance of hitting his head than cisse's /cowardew 'kin hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 don't take that seriously please EDIT: except perhaps cowardew, i'm going to keep using that until he stops being a fucking coward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 don't take that seriously please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Glad to see that they appear to be backing him in the transfer market. Of course it remains to be seen if anyone else is sold to balance the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Aye he's done that before too. I remember when we got beat away at Stevenage and he decided to portion all blame for that on Tim Krul which was quite baffling indeed. A big concern for me at the moment is how we can't mix our play up to any degree of success. Take yesterday for example - we try to keep solid at the back which worked. Yet we posed no threat at all going forward. We looked good going forward at Old Trafford and The Emirates yet our defending was shambolic. We just can't get that balance right at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Glad to see that they appear to be backing him in the transfer market. Of course it remains to be seen if anyone else is sold to balance the books. Once it was clear Ba was leaving we were always going to have to buy a replacement. Even Ashley's not stupid enough to risk relegation which has started looking more likely with every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Aye he's done that before too. I remember when we got beat away at Stevenage and he decided to portion all blame for that on Tim Krul which was quite baffling indeed. A big concern for me at the moment is how we can't mix our play up to any degree of success. Take yesterday for example - we try to keep solid at the back which worked. Yet we posed no threat at all going forward. We looked good going forward at Old Trafford and The Emirates yet our defending was shambolic. We just can't get that balance right at all. Agreed. AP seems to have no idea to get this sorted either. Taking yesterday, we were a little open in the first half but that was mainly due to Perch and Anita being all over the place in the middle and having no structure in protecting the defence. I think if we'd have just shored Perch up a little better, then we would have been a lot more balanced, but instead we went completely into our shell and moved everyone, bar Cisse, further back. His interpretation of high pressing is weird as well and was a big factor in being vulnerable in that first half. I get Marveux pressing along with Cisse but the former was closing down full backs too, despite having wide men to do that job already, rendering the 3 man midfield pointless. And sometimes Perch was the furthest man forward with Marveaux taking up a defensive midfield role. It just seems over complicated, we were too fluid in the middle and looked weak as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Aye he's done that before too. I remember when we got beat away at Stevenage and he decided to portion all blame for that on Tim Krul which was quite baffling indeed. A big concern for me at the moment is how we can't mix our play up to any degree of success. Take yesterday for example - we try to keep solid at the back which worked. Yet we posed no threat at all going forward. We looked good going forward at Old Trafford and The Emirates yet our defending was shambolic. We just can't get that balance right at all. Agreed. AP seems to have no idea to get this sorted either. Taking yesterday, we were a little open in the first half but that was mainly due to Perch and Anita being all over the place in the middle and having no structure in protecting the defence. I think if we'd have just shored Perch up a little better, then we would have been a lot more balanced, but instead we went completely into our shell and moved everyone, bar Cisse, further back. His interpretation of high pressing is weird as well and was a big factor in being vulnerable in that first half. I get Marveux pressing along with Cisse but the former was closing down full backs too, despite having wide men to do that job already, rendering the 3 man midfield pointless. And sometimes Perch was the furthest man forward with Marveaux taking up a defensive midfield role. It just seems over complicated, we were too fluid in the middle and looked weak as a result. He needs to develop the foundations from which we build attacks and ensure we are not so vulnerable to counter. We need a better CB than Williamson, Debuchy will hopefully help. We also need discipline in that midfield 2/3 to ensure we close out the space as other teams do to us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. To be fair we've got quite a few young players who should be banging on the door and playing out of their skins when they get on the pitch, yet some of the performances when they've been called upon have been absolutely dire. You can blame lack of experience, match readiness etc. but that's no excuse for them looking disinterested. Bigi is the only 'youth' player who has really impressed me this year. The likes of Sammy, Fergie etc. simply haven't played well enough and considering they've been on the verge of the first team side for a 18 months plus now you can understand why Pardew's a bit fucked off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. I think he did it for a certain reason, he was having a go or venting his frustration at the clubs policy of buying younger players. I believe he want more senior players through this window because he believes that would help him as he's completely bricking it over a relegation battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. I think he did it for a certain reason, he was having a go or venting his frustration at the clubs policy of buying younger players. I believe he want more senior players through this window because he believes that would help him as he's completely bricking it over a relegation battle. He's been getting progressively less subtle about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. To be fair we've got quite a few young players who should be banging on the door and playing out of their skins when they get on the pitch, yet some of the performances when they've been called upon have been absolutely dire. You can blame lack of experience, match readiness etc. but that's no excuse for them looking disinterested. Bigi is the only 'youth' player who has really impressed me this year. The likes of Sammy, Fergie etc. simply haven't played well enough and considering they've been on the verge of the first team side for a 18 months plus now you can understand why Pardew's a bit fucked off. You've got to give young players a run of games. Playing them once or twice a month will do nothing for them. The big difference between Bigi and the other young players is that he's played constantly for a season before he joined us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. To be fair we've got quite a few young players who should be banging on the door and playing out of their skins when they get on the pitch, yet some of the performances when they've been called upon have been absolutely dire. You can blame lack of experience, match readiness etc. but that's no excuse for them looking disinterested. Bigi is the only 'youth' player who has really impressed me this year. The likes of Sammy, Fergie etc. simply haven't played well enough and considering they've been on the verge of the first team side for a 18 months plus now you can understand why Pardew's a bit fucked off. I think too many have been chucked in wholesale for it to work. I don't really think it's fair to suddenly put 3 into a side and expect them to gel straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Probs bollocks but the local ITK reckons he's got 2 more games to sort it, if not he's gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Probs bollocks but the local ITK reckons he's got 2 more games to sort it, if not he's gone. If we don't sort it out in the next two games you don't need to be ITK to work out he'd be in trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Probs bollocks but the local ITK reckons he's got 2 more games to sort it, if not he's gone. Reading and Villa. Would sound plausible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I don't have an issue with poor performance per se, you don't expect youngsters to come in and tear it up on a consistent basis, but I think complacency has set in amongst some of our kids. They seem too happy to have a bit part role and when they're given the chance to make a mark they just don't do it. They don't play like they want to start every game. The one thing young players need is hunger and I just don't see that amongst a lot of ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ron Liddle in the Times reckons Pardew is said to have lost the dressing room. Obviously that is probably just speculation, but the performance yesterday was very lacklustre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ron Liddle in the Times reckons Pardew is said to have lost the dressing room. Obviously that is probably just speculation, but the performance yesterday was very lacklustre. Christ, how do you lose an entire dressing room? Has he tried going around the players houses? They might be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ron Liddle in the Times reckons Pardew is said to have lost the dressing room. Obviously that is probably just speculation, but the performance yesterday was very lacklustre. Christ, how do you lose an entire dressing room? Has he tried going around the players houses? They might be there. It might be going round the players houses that lost him the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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