midds Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I honestly don't see why we can't keep playing football and keep the opposition back when we take the lead. There's something very wrong with his approach to the game. Under normal circumstances I'd agree 100% but I can understand the sitting back tonight. That away goal was massive and it was natural that the players and management wanted to put men behind the ball and see the game out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Under normal circumstances I'd agree 100% but I can understand the sitting back tonight. That away goal was massive and it was natural that the players and management wanted to put men behind the ball and see the game out. If they had scored we'd have been shagged though because we had nothing to offer up front once we made the changes and backed off. It worked for us tonight and that's all that really matters but I do think it will bite us in the arse again sooner or later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Under normal circumstances I'd agree 100% but I can understand the sitting back tonight. That away goal was massive and it was natural that the players and management wanted to put men behind the ball and see the game out. If they had scored we'd have been shagged though because we had nothing to offer up front once we made the changes and backed off. It worked for us tonight and that's all that really matters but I do think it will bite us in the arse again sooner or later. Absolutely. I don't like seeing it but I can understand why we dropped back tonight. I'd prefer us to go for the second but can't criticise too much for doing it tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Absolutely. I don't like seeing it but I can understand why we dropped back tonight. I'd prefer us to go for the second but can't criticise too much for doing it tonight. We've played plenty of games where I'd wished we had shut up shop so being able to do it is a good tool to have in your locker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I honestly don't see why we can't keep playing football and keep the opposition back when we take the lead. There's something very wrong with his approach to the game. Or maybe it's because the game/opposition changes when one team takes the lead, like it does on every football pitch in the world? Just a thought.. It would be nice if Krul didn't have to put in a MOTM performance every time we take the lead though. It happened quite a lot last year, and again tonight. At least stick some pace on the pitch if you're going to invite teams onto you, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Absolutely. I don't like seeing it but I can understand why we dropped back tonight. I'd prefer us to go for the second but can't criticise too much for doing it tonight. We've played plenty of games where I'd wished we had shut up shop so being able to do it is a good tool to have in your locker. I have no problem with us playing 'shut up shop'. I think it's an important ability for a team that hopes to be successful, but there's a way to go about it. I'd have no problem whatsoever with Pardew settling for the 1-0 after Shola scored given the circumstances, it's just the methodology I take issue with. As Hanz says, the methodology ought not to involve Krul demonstrating he's world class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Starting Shola turned out to be a good decision. Cisse wide? Poor. It never makes sense. Rather Jonas/Obertan and we saved Cisse as an impact sub if needed to change things. Biggest problem, sitting far too deep when we take a lead. Some pressure is to be expected, a couple good saves but Milan weren't so deep yesterday. They had 5-6 good chances in a 20 minute spell. It's not fucking good enough. You can't consistently win European KO matches like that. You look at our runs under SBR, heck even Souness. These are men that have been in European competitions and won them. As managers or players. Has Alan Pardew ever had a successful European cup run? Some managers have it. Like SAF, Mourinho straight away. Others learn in time so there's hope. But atm, he doesn't know what he's doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Has Pardew ever been in Europe before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Much in the same way our team outgrew the likes of Nolan and Simpson, or even to a lesser extent Gosling and the style of players we had when he signed compared to now our squad has definitely outgrew Pardew. Think this is his last season here, the board will surely either see what we're seeing or will eventually. I think they just don't want to upset the squad halfway through the season when were struggling to stay in the league. Unless he goes on a massively impressive run, he's got to go. I'm apparently as big an Ashley apologist as they come, but I cannot see for the life of me why they would replace Pardiola. Care to expand where your assurances come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I didn't think we dropped off as badly as usual tonight, we certainly didn't invite the kind of constant pressure we usually do. They created a few chances obviously, but there wasn't the same kind of panic there usually is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Personally think he got lucky again tonight. We could have thrown away a certain victory had Krul not been between the sticks. It was a relief having Shola on the pitch when the ball was on the spot, however it came at the expense of another stinker from Cisse on the wing. It's a good win though and Southampton is an absolutely colossal game. As irritating as the second half negativity was, that'sthree wins, one draw and a defeat since the January influx... you can't really argue with that. Why is Southampton now colossal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 WUM alert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Personally think he got lucky again tonight. We could have thrown away a certain victory had Krul not been between the sticks. It was a relief having Shola on the pitch when the ball was on the spot, however it came at the expense of another stinker from Cisse on the wing. It's a good win though and Southampton is an absolutely colossal game. As irritating as the second half negativity was, that'sthree wins, one draw and a defeat since the January influx... you can't really argue with that. Why is Southampton now colossal? It's practically a friendly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Personally think he got lucky again tonight. We could have thrown away a certain victory had Krul not been between the sticks. It was a relief having Shola on the pitch when the ball was on the spot, however it came at the expense of another stinker from Cisse on the wing. It's a good win though and Southampton is an absolutely colossal game. As irritating as the second half negativity was, that'sthree wins, one draw and a defeat since the January influx... you can't really argue with that. Why is Southampton now colossal? http://t.qkme.me/3t3a1y.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 No complaints at all over the past week, he even mentioned in the NUFCtv interviewtrying to motivate Shola because of his poor form. It's not like he's completely unaware. I would not have started Cisse tonight, but it worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Has Pardew ever been in Europe before? Yep, knocked out by Palermo when he was manager of Wham, the same Palermo season Krully made his debut. I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I did not see this game so will not comment on Pardew's tactics or selections - my views about these in the past are already known. Suffice be it to say that in this instance we got the result necessary - against better opponents it may not, only time will tell. I am more concerned about the Southampton game - and those after it...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Has Pardew ever been in Europe before? Yep, knocked out by Palermo when he was manager of Wham, the same Palermo season Krully made his debut. I think. That is correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Personally think he got lucky again tonight. We could have thrown away a certain victory had Krul not been between the sticks. It was a relief having Shola on the pitch when the ball was on the spot, however it came at the expense of another stinker from Cisse on the wing. It's a good win though and Southampton is an absolutely colossal game. As irritating as the second half negativity was, that'sthree wins, one draw and a defeat since the January influx... you can't really argue with that. Why is Southampton now colossal? [insert generic img] Haddawayandshite, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Loved how his SSN interview justs starts with 'Mah poo'. nearly spat my tea out. Very immature I know but Wwwwwwwwwwww-icked... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Says Shola will "get games" between now and the end of the season is his post-match interview, but also a hint of disappointment with his performances lately. I think he sounded "serious", if that's the way to put it. Admitted Papiss is playing out of position, which I regard as something good. Don't want him as an option out there. He contributes fuck all. Pardew on a whole could be a decent cup manager if he decides to add "counter-attacking when in front" to his gameplan. Last night I was desperate for us to get someone like Obertan on to threaten them. Instead, he formed a third defensive block consisting of Shola, Moussa and Marveaux. Retarded as we couldn't get out of our own half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Says Shola will "get games" between now and the end of the season is his post-match interview, but also a hint of disappointment with his performances lately. I think he sounded "serious", if that's the way to put it. Admitted Papiss is playing out of position, which I regard as something good. Don't want him as an option out there. He contributes f*** all. Pardew on a whole could be a decent cup manager if he decides to add "counter-attacking when in front" to his gameplan. Last night I was desperate for us to get someone like Obertan on to threaten them. Instead, he formed a third defensive block consisting of Shola, Moussa and Marveaux. Retarded as we couldn't get out of our own half. Even Graeme fucking Souness understood the concept of counter attacking threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 The team needs to have a plan B rather than backs to the wall defending and shot blocking when we go ahead. There were a few occasions last night where we could have passed the ball out if we were a little calmer, we have the players to do this now... I would also much rather have seen Obertan come on instead of Shola and us try to get two quick passes out of defence then hoik it up one of the sides of the pitch to set the pace of Ober away on the counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 What frustrates me is that while Pardew clearly wants the team to get the ball from back to front quickly, important for good counter attacks the team rarely seems capable of slowing the match down when we need to. A lot of periods of extended pressure are caused by us being too enthusiastic to get the ball forward when we get the ball back and then losing it immediately. We need to learn that sometimes in games its best to pass it around midfield and calm it down for a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 What frustrates me is that while Pardew clearly wants the team to get the ball from back to front quickly, important for good counter attacks the team rarely seems capable of slowing the match down when we need to. A lot of periods of extended pressure are caused by us being too enthusiastic to get the ball forward when we get the ball back and then losing it immediately. We need to learn that sometimes in games its best to pass it around midfield and calm it down for a bit. True, we force it forward far too early at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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