Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one shit season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats. No i would give the new man if there was one a chance, if you see decent football you will eventually get to see decent result imo. Do you always judge people who dont agree with you, with such a chip on your shoulder ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one s*** season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. Spot on. I think the thread should be closed on that post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one s*** season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. Spot on. I think the thread should be closed on that post. If we stay up that scenario is exactly how it will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one shit season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats. No i would give the new man if there was one a chance, if you see decent football you will eventually get to see decent result imo. Do you always judge people who dont agree with you, with such a chip on your shoulder ? thats canny in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 July 2011 there was a large percentage of fans who thought just challenging top 7 would be an achievement, would have settled for top 10, and a fair few tipped us to struggle. Nearly two years on, we've had a challenge for a top 4 spot, still have a chance of a European Semi Final...yet it's the people who are defending him and think he deserves a chance to turn it round who get talked down to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Fwiw I can see both sides of the argument, but I don't understand how people with one opinion seem oblivious to why others share a different view when it comes to Parpooiola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 July 2011 there was a large percentage of fans who thought just challenging top 7 would be an achievement, would have settled for top 10, and a fair few tipped us to struggle. Nearly two years on, we've had a challenge for a top 4 spot, still have a chance of a European Semi Final...yet it's the people who are defending him and think he deserves a chance to turn it round who get talked down to. It depends how you look at it though surely? If Pardew deserves another chance to reward his past success, or if the club should be ruthless for the sake of it's own future? Sentimentality shouldn't really come into it imo, if we can get a better man in I think it would be utterly retarded not too. If we can't then fair enough, see how he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Fwiw I can see both sides of the argument, but I don't understand how people with one opinion seem oblivious to why others share a different view when it comes to Parpooiola. As can I tbh, hate some of the hoof ball shit, yet cant help but agree the extra games and time away has fucked us. I was just having a bit of fun with the haters saying they would want the next bloke sacked after a few defeats. They are so hell bent on hating, they seem to have lost thier sense of humour and perspective. Saying anything thats not all out Anti Pardew in here is like sticking your cock in a wasps nest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Some people need to see us coached by someone else before the penny drops. Saw us 'coached' by Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Kinnear and Shearer. Quite happy to keep my penny in my pocket, thanks. Doubt any of them would be doing any worse with the current squad tbh. The only two from that bunch that would do worse is Kinnear and Souness. Doesn't Souness have a better win % with us than Pardew? Think he does, actually. If he does...then Pardew is even worse than I thought. Souness-era was grim. In the league it won't be. That's what I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one shit season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats. No i would give the new man if there was one a chance, if you see decent football you will eventually get to see decent result imo. Do you always judge people who dont agree with you, with such a chip on your shoulder ? thats canny in this thread. Well tbf, reading a few of your posts in defence of Pardew (quite rightly as/if that's your opinion), your replies are a little dismissive, and a wee bit chippy shouldered, or maybe that's just how they look and read to me. Old Pardew does seem to divide people, rather a large porportion is growing larger it would seem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one shit season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats. No i would give the new man if there was one a chance, if you see decent football you will eventually get to see decent result imo. Do you always judge people who dont agree with you, with such a chip on your shoulder ? thats canny in this thread. Well tbf, reading a few of your posts in defence of Pardew (quite rightly as/if that's your opinion), your replies are a little dismissive, and a wee bit chippy shouldered, or maybe that's just how they look and read to me. Old Pardew does seem to divide people, rather a large porportion is growing larger it would seem. I have no idea what your on about tbh. just looks to me like the hatred is Ott and affecting peoples perspective on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one s*** season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. Spot on. I think the thread should be closed on that post. What concerns me is even last season how many games were fans saying that the tactics were not right within a lot of games - I can think of a number of games when wonder strikes won games after being second best within the actual game. I just see the same basic mistakes and poor tactical line ups and plans being used game after game. His overall record at a management level is not very good either and we look like conceding against any opposition no mater what formation or players we have played. If I had been able to see any sign of errors being addressed or problem areas being worked on I would agree but it's just not happening and that has to be down to the coaching standards as the same things have been ongoing all season long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one s*** season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. The "One great season" is just that, one season, and he's been managing for 14 seasons, not two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces? What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match? What can he do? How about his job I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers if they are going to call people Pardew "haters" use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is. pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot. One great season, one shit season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him. agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats. No i would give the new man if there was one a chance, if you see decent football you will eventually get to see decent result imo. Do you always judge people who dont agree with you, with such a chip on your shoulder ? thats canny in this thread. Well tbf, reading a few of your posts in defence of Pardew (quite rightly as/if that's your opinion), your replies are a little dismissive, and a wee bit chippy shouldered, or maybe that's just how they look and read to me. Old Pardew does seem to divide people, rather a large porportion is growing larger it would seem. I have no idea what your on about tbh. just looks to me like the hatred is Ott and affecting peoples perspective on things. Fwiw I can see both sides of the argument, but I don't understand how people with one opinion seem oblivious to why others share a different view when it comes to Parpooiola. As can I tbh, hate some of the hoof ball shit, yet cant help but agree the extra games and time away has fucked us. I was just having a bit of fun with the haters saying they would want the next bloke sacked after a few defeats. They are so hell bent on hating, they seem to have lost thier sense of humour and perspective. Saying anything thats not all out Anti Pardew in here is like sticking your cock in a wasps nest. Erm well maybe it's from this type of comment, and several similar ones that i've read from you. Is not a bit chippy to group people who want Pardew out together with the over the top ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats. That would depend on who he was replaced with but carry on being daft in an attempt to justify Pardew by making it look as if people only want shot of him because of 3 or 4 defeats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats. That would depend on who he was replaced with but carry on being daft in an attempt to justify Pardew by making it look as if people only want shot of him because of 3 or 4 defeats. meant as a tongue in cheek dig at the haters, to make the point- whoever it is if there's shit results there will be a noisy minority who just dont like him,calling for his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 meant as a tongue in cheek dig at the haters, to make the point- whoever it is if there's s*** results there will be a noisy minority who just dont like him,calling for his head. If the fans believe in a manager he'll get time, Keegan and Bobby were given plenty because people bought into what they were trying to do because they were both trusted by the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 meant as a tongue in cheek dig at the haters, to make the point- whoever it is if there's s*** results there will be a noisy minority who just dont like him,calling for his head. If the fans believe in a manager he'll get time, Keegan and Bobby were given plenty because people bought into what they were trying to do because they were both trusted by the fans. fair dos- looks like pards will get as much time as he wants anyway if he keeps us in the division, as I believe that is the minimum requirement the board expect of him. and tbh that could be the real issue in all of this regardless of who is manager- the clubs ambition is only to stay in the division, and will give the manager the players needed to do this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I base my whole argument on the state of the football we play. Injuries, small squad, Europe. None of that is an excuse for playing long ball and having the worst set penises since Field Marshal Douglas Haig. It is and will always be about the football we play, and we play crap, non possession, boring, percentage, bad tactical football. Simple in my eyes. If i see change next season then i'll happily back him again, can't see it but i hope we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I base my whole argument on the state of the football we play. Injuries, small squad, Europe. None of that is an excuse for playing long ball and having the worst set penises since Field Marshal Douglas Haig. It is and will always be about the football we play, and we play crap, non possession, boring, percentage, bad tactical football. Simple in my eyes. If i see change next season then i'll happily back him again, can't see it but i hope we do. You forgot that every player in the squad has become worse this season, even the new boys have started to look bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I base my whole argument on the state of the football we play. Injuries, small squad, Europe. None of that is an excuse for playing long ball and having the worst set penises since Field Marshal Douglas Haig. It is and will always be about the football we play, and we play crap, non possession, boring, percentage, bad tactical football. Simple in my eyes. If i see change next season then i'll happily back him again, can't see it but i hope we do. You forgot that every player in the squad has become worse this season, even the new boys have started to look bad. I think that comes from playing in a team that isn't playing well, with no real strategy or pattern of play. Win some games you will see confident players. But under Pardew we dont seem to be able to a run going, and we are not likely too if he continues to focus on the oppositions strengths rather than ours. Which is exactly why we have no real system/pattern, he doesn't concentrate on our strengths and builds on them.....enough. I say enough because i think he sees it but is too scared to let the team have a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I just wish we would play how we did against Benfica for large percentages in the league.... ok there were times when we gave the ball away but in the main we actually got into positions to create for Cisse. Cisse probably got more chances last night then he did for last month in the league all that against a team who would beat probably around 13/14 of the teams in the PL week in week out. Its not the holy grail but it would be a start and we wouldn't be 3 points above relegation if we did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 There is no need of the stray opinions of some posters. Its obvious there is a Pardew "out" is not good enough and a Pardew "In" because he has a good an bad season group. Pardew himself will show you in time who is the fool, couple of crucial games might cut his Pro group out cold or a very Good Season Next will change the Anti fans into Pardew supports. Just hold your hands up when you are the fool. Opinions normally defer but there is always a right and wrong group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 It's tough to say sack him when we have no clue whatsoever which manager the club would look to replace him with. I think providing we don't go down, he deserves a shot next season to put things right. What a buzz there was around the club last season, why can't he bring it back? I think the players should shoulder some responsibility for the poor performances this season, it isn't all bad tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 If we were to sack him in the summer (despite being in champs league): what does that say about the culture at our club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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