Alan Pardew

[Guest neesy111]

Both sides have valid reasons for wanting him sacked or for keeping him on tbh.  Ultimely he should be judged on results and results alone.

[Dave]

'Permanent' NUFC managers:

 

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[ATB]

Can´t see any argument to keep him after the summer.

[cp40]

Ossie

[Mick]

There is no need of the stray opinions of some posters. Its obvious there is a Pardew "out" is not good enough and a Pardew "In" because he has a good an bad season group.

 

Pardew himself will show you in time who is the fool, couple of crucial games might cut his Pro group out cold or a very Good Season Next will change the Anti fans into Pardew supports.

 

Just hold your hands up when you are the fool. Opinions normally defer but there is always a right and wrong group.

 

The thing is, nobody is right or wrong.  It will not change how bad this season has been if we do well next season and last season will not become worse than it was because of this season.

 

Is he a good manager or a one season wonder?  Some think he's a good manager based on one season while others think he's a poor manager based on what he’s done here and most of his managerial career which has been more lows than highs.  Personally, I've seen very little during his time here to think he can do anything more than stagnate and fluke the odd decent result/league finish.

 

We simply haven’t progressed as a team under him other than our league position last year which was more often than not based on some negative football and tactics.  I know this has been done to death but it shouldn’t be forgotten.  He spends 4 out of 5 days coaching the team to defend and we’re about as bad as it gets in this division, even if somebody on here tries to disregard some goals conceded.  Our defence includes an international keeper, an international left back, an international right back and two international centre backs if fit and played together.  Our midfield can contain 5 international players and our main forward plays for his country.

 

I see no reason to believe that a team which can contain 11 internationals aren’t better than what we’ve seen this season and I’ve seen nothing to make me believe that our manager is playing the type of football that best suits our players.  I don’t think we have a single player who thrives with us sitting back as often as we do and I can only put that down to Pardew. 

 

I would guess that our lowest international player count this season doesn’t go below 50% yet teams who would struggle to field that many on a good day are doing better than we are.

 

I’m sick of the excuses that he and others come out with on his behalf.  We aren’t a team that should be looking to scrape enough points to stay in the division with 7 games remaining and it’s a massive waste of the players in our squad.

 

What is our playing style?  Do we have anything as a team that anybody could call a strength?  I’d fail to answer either of those questions and he’s been here for something like 2 ½ seasons and that’s piss poor. 

 

I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s going to change, he’s got a personal comfort zone and he’ll stick to it because it’s all that he knows and that’s a problem because his idea of how football should be played doesn’t match what our players are good at or comfortable with.  He’ll dabble from time to time and it will fail more often than not because the players aren’t used to it under him as we don’t seem to work on it.

 

If we’re going to do well on a constant basis then he’s going to have to change and I’m not sure that he’s capable or comfortable enough to see it through.  If he’s going to change then it will have to be what we work on at the start of the season and we would have to stick with it.  Again, I can’t see any evidence of that being likely to happen and for that reason I will see next season as more than likely being another wasted season if he's still at the club.

 

The excuses used this season by Mr Negativity just don’t add up.  The reasons he uses for excuses aren’t enough for a 5th placed team to become a 15th placed team yet some are falling for it.  If people want to fall for the shit he comes out with then so be it, ignorance can be bliss but it will not change where we are and how poorly we’ve played.

 

If people think he’s the right manager for us, why?  What makes him right for us?  Don’t use the shitty argument that we can’t do better than him because that’s bollocks.  The argument that he’s going to suddenly have us playing free flowing attacking football is pie in the sky and baseless.

 

[Mick]

If we were to sack him in the summer (despite being in champs league): what does that say about the culture at our club?

 

 

 

Are you taking something?

[Guest]

'Permanent' NUFC managers:

 

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Just goes to show some stats mean nowt.

[Guest Dontooner]

The problem with opinions are that they come from different angles, how deep the thoughts or analysis put into them are questionable.

 

Hey thats why we are individuals , some like it in the Euro and some not. The facts are normally the things that puts a stop to deferring views...

 

I have thought Pardew was poor even in his 1st season with us that brought us to our highest 5th place finish in a long time.

Hey i was verbal about it in the forums and took a real beating but that didnt stop me expressing my concerns.

 

Lived too long not to notice only facts will make an argument right  , too many muppets and simple minded followers out there.

If everybody were to be see things the right way everybody would be successful and happy, well you still can be happy being wrong.

[Dr Venkman]

The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces?

 

What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match?

 

 

What can he do? How about his job

 

 

I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers

if they are going to call people Pardew "haters"

use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is.

 

pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go 

 

At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot.

 

One great season, one shit season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him.

 

agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats.

 

Bollocks.

[Dr Venkman]

I base my whole argument on the state of the football we play. Injuries, small squad, Europe.

 

None of that is an excuse for playing long ball and having the worst set penises since Field Marshal Douglas Haig. It is and will always be about the football we play, and we play crap, non possession, boring, percentage, bad tactical football. Simple in my eyes.

 

If i see change next season then i'll happily back him again, can't see it but i hope we do.

 

Top post.

[Spudil]

The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces?

 

What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match?

 

 

What can he do? How about his job

 

 

I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers

if they are going to call people Pardew "haters"

use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is.

 

pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go 

 

At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot.

 

One great season, one s*** season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him.

 

agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats.

 

Bollocks.

 

It's complete and utter bollocks, obviously.

 

[cp40]

The lack of goals from set plays is a big marker of his shortcomings. How hard is it to sort out some imaginative/effective set pieces?

 

What can Pardew do about that? I mean he does them in training but what can he do if the players simply don't score from them/defend them properly in a match?

 

 

What can he do? How about his job

 

 

I was being sarcastic Just using the ridiculous line of reasoning that Pardews lovers

if they are going to call people Pardew "haters"

use to excuse a whole manner of his failings to show how absurd it is.

 

pardew gets an insane amount of leeway from some people like, 3 points off relegation 7 games to go 

 

At the same time, people have quickly written off the fact he took us to the last game of the season away from a Champions League spot.

 

One great season, one shit season. I'm in the camp where I think he has earned the chance to put it right. If we're still struggling come October or November next season, he deserves to be sacked. If we're back challenging the top 6, we were right to stand by him.

 

agree- the ones wanting him sacked now will start again with the next manager after 3 or 4 defeats.

 

Bollocks.

 

 

[Guest Roy the Irish Magpie]

Good chance it's been mentioned before but don't forget David Moyes had a brilliant first full season with Everton in 03 finishing in the top 7 but struggled in his second much like Pardew is now nd barely kept the club up with a 17th position finish.

 

I'm sure there was Everton fans at that time wanting him out for a poor season and criticising him and calling him a "one season wonder" but sure didn't he only go and finish fourth the next season.

 

Pardew hasn't done well this season no, but definitely deserves to stay for the start of next season nd then see how he does with a fresh start and no Europa League to interrupt the league fixtures and injure players etc.

 

Edit : Might I also add he got manager of the year in his first full season much like Pardew ha. Don't be too eager to pull the trigger lads.

[Dave]

Moyes' record:

http://i.imgur.com/FcfGTeu.png

 

Whilst I certainly don't expect us to finish 4th next season, if we stick with Pardew I do expect the up/down pattern to be similar. Time will tell if we improve our consistency beyond that, like Everton have done.

[Stu]

If we were to sack him in the summer (despite being in champs league): what does that say about the culture at our club?

 

 

 

Are you taking something?

 

Sorry, was obviously herping the derp earlier on...meant Prem League

[Stu]

Good chance it's been mentioned before but don't forget David Moyes had a brilliant first full season with Everton in 03 finishing in the top 7 but struggled in his second much like Pardew is now nd barely kept the club up with a 17th position finish.

 

I'm sure there was Everton fans at that time wanting him out for a poor season and criticising him and calling him a "one season wonder" but sure didn't he only go and finish fourth the next season.

 

Pardew hasn't done well this season no, but definitely deserves to stay for the start of next season nd then see how he does with a fresh start and no Europa League to interrupt the league fixtures and injure players etc.

 

Edit : Might I also add he got manager of the year in his first full season much like Pardew ha. Don't be too eager to pull the trigger lads.

 

Moyes' record:

http://i.imgur.com/FcfGTeu.png

 

Whilst I certainly don't expect us to finish 4th next season, if we stick with Pardew I do expect the up/down pattern to be similar. Time will tell if we improve our consistency beyond that, like Everton have done.

 

part of my optimism about Pardew is based on what happened at Everton...they weren't quick to see off the new man, despite escaping relegation on the last weekend (after qualifying for Europe the year before).

 

As Dave says, I'm not expecting top four next season but certainly a sustained campaign in the top third of the table, rather than the bottom third. Subsequent European campaigns will show if the club (and the manager) have really learnt the lessons from the past summer.

[Lotus]

Moyes' record:

http://i.imgur.com/FcfGTeu.png

 

Whilst I certainly don't expect us to finish 4th next season, if we stick with Pardew I do expect the up/down pattern to be similar. Time will tell if we improve our consistency beyond that, like Everton have done.

 

Tbf though, i would say that Pardew has had more joy in the transfer windows than Moyes on balance. Maybe Neil can shed some light on this.

[Stu]

How is that a contrary point?

[Keefaz]

I'm not a massive fan by any means, but let's give him another season with his players, a good pre-season and experience. Having said that, I fully expect him to be gone in January 2014.

[Spudil]

part of my optimism about Pardew is based on what happened at Everton...

 

 

 

 

 

[George Bailey]

I'm not a massive fan by any means, but let's give him another season with his players, a good pre-season and experience. Having said that, I fully expect him to be gone in January 2014.

 

Ditto.

Not convinced but...Providing we stay up:a good summer transfer window, replacing the likes of Colo (if he leaves),sort out the striker and width issue, retain the quality we already have and then give him a fair crack of the whip.

If he can't get a more attractive style, with improved results then he's gotta go.

 

Not convinced he has the capacity to learn and adapt if I'm honest though.

 

 

 

[jimmymag]

If we manage to avoid relegation, and are lucky enough to play in the Premiership next season, I fully expect a whole lot more shite football from a squad that is so full of potential but will only get dragged down by Pardew's management/coaching or whatever the fuck he calls it!

 

It must be only a matter of time before there is some dissent in the camp, surely the players must be starting to see through the shyster.

[Away Toon]

Mick's post pretty much sums it up for me. I don't believe that he's a good manager particularly, and don't think he will improve. We have some good players, playing the least entertaining football in the Premier League. Not only is it horrible to watch, we are in serious danger of being relegated. With any other owner (one who hadn't given his manager a 8 year contract) he'd have been sacked, as have lots of other managers down at the bottom with us.

[Guest bimpy474]

You could say it's a fair comparison with Moyes. With one draw back. Moyes is a better manager, does anyone really think a manager like Moyes would have let our set pieces go on like this.

 

Our set pieces are an embarrassment to a professional football club. I've watched football since, well birth, i'm 42 and i have never seen a team as bad as us, i have never seen a team try the same floated corner 500 times on the trot. Without a player, coach, ha manager say, lets try something different, short na, long na, drilled na, i know lets try that floated one again.

 

Embarrassing.

[Stu]

Mick's post pretty much sums it up for me. I don't believe that he's a good manager particularly, and don't think he will improve. We have some good players, playing the least entertaining football in the Premier League. Not only is it horrible to watch, we are in serious danger of being relegated. With any other owner (one who hadn't given his manager a 8 year contract) he'd have been sacked, as have lots of other managers down at the bottom with us.

 

So why didn't Kenwright sack Moyes in the season they finished 17th?