Beren Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Ashley would only sack Pardew if he threatened his financial investment in the club, I think. Having already thrown money at the issue in January, the next step has to be the manager should his investment remain in jeopardy. The closer we get to relegation without being relegated the better (sadly) - but even that won't be enough to get him to get rid of Pardew in the summer I don't think. Future is glum with the our moron manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What's left is a few good players, injured players and players who've been poor all season. Doesn't help your case one bit. Why have those players been poor all season? Is it not the manager’s responsibility to make sure the players are performing? Pardew isn't some innocent bystander that has no part to play in this. He's the one who trains the players and prepares them for games and is supposed to set us up to get the best out of what we've got and he's failed miserably at that. Christ, we found a formation that worked for most of our players towards the end of last season and he was saying that we were going to change it even before a ball was kicked this season and look what's happened since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 At the end of the day it is clear Pardew is a manager who relies on individuals in his squad to be hitting peak form and not injured for the majority of the season. He hasn't managed to make an effective system of playing in his time here at all(sorry, he had it a one point then binned it), a system where player A is injured player B can come in and not unsettle the way the team is going to play. It's clear to me if we want to move forward and achieve what is possible with this very talented squad of players we need to get a new manager in the summer. I am quite willing to accept if we kept him it's possible that we will be fifth or something come October too. This really means nothing though unless he changes his ways and considering he has had two and a half seasons to do it now I can't see it happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Is it not the manager’s responsibility to make sure the players are performing? Pardew isn't some innocent bystander that has no part to play in this. He's the one who trains the players and prepares them for games and is supposed to set us up to get the best out of what we've got and he's failed miserably at that. my thoughts exactly i'll say it again, amazing the leeway he's getting from some given our position in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Mick is the only sensible person in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Mick is the only sensible person in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 No you're not Jon, you're in the "defend him, come what may" camp. There's absolutely no way you would call for his head if we're fifteenth in October, and even if you did, how on Earth is that preferable to giving a real manager a full summer and pre-season with the players? If we actually had some 'football brains' in the boardroom there is no way they wouldn't make a change this summer. We have the players now that can play a cogent european type posesssion and tempo game. How do I know this? They've been playing it all their lives at other clubs and for their respective countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What's left is a few good players, injured players and players who've been poor all season. Doesn't help your case one bit. Why have those players been poor all season? Is it not the manager’s responsibility to make sure the players are performing? The poor performances of Colo and Tiote in particular this season go way beyond what they're being told in the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Tiote is a poor footballer in general and his role should be needed in 10-15 games a season. Colo is in the twlight of his career. Both are explainable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The poor performances of Colo and Tiote in particular this season go way beyond what they're being told in the dressing room. Coloccini hasn't been that bad and earlier in the season was a contender for player of the season, along with Santon. Poor performance will not be as much effected in the dressing room, it will mainly come from what happens on the training pitch and also from how we are set up to play. Sitting back doesn't suit our players and that is clearly how we're being set up. Sitting back is putting our defenders under constant pressure and our forward play also suffers because we’re feeding off scraps more often than not and that does come from the manager, not the players. If the players were ignoring the manager then he’s either lost them or he’s not impressing on them what he’s expecting from them, not that I think for one minute that that’s the case with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Tiote is a poor footballer in general and his role should be needed in 10-15 games a season. Colo is in the twlight of his career. Both are explainable. Both are under constant pressure because of how we play, you're not seeing the wood for the trees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Tiote is a poor footballer in general and his role should be needed in 10-15 games a season. Colo is in the twlight of his career. Both are explainable. Both are under constant pressure because of how we play, you're not seeing the wood for the trees. No I can see the wood, Pardew has a lot of questions to answer and this season is one of the worst I've seen for the football being played but the team isn't as good as what some people are claiming and it's very unbalanced which is not to do with Pardew. I do want Pardew gone btw, mainly because I think he's a complete bullshitter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What's left is a few good players, injured players and players who've been poor all season. Doesn't help your case one bit. Why have those players been poor all season? Is it not the manager’s responsibility to make sure the players are performing? The poor performances of Colo and Tiote in particular this season go way beyond what they're being told in the dressing room. Tiote's not a great example imo, he's one of the players Pardew could definitely have an effect on by giving him the right responsibilities/instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Football is simple. If there is no plan to play the game in their half of the pitch, you'll end up playing most of the game in your half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Football is simple. If there is no plan to play the game in their half of the pitch, you'll end up playing most of the game in your half. well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Tiote is a poor footballer in general and his role should be needed in 10-15 games a season. Colo is in the twlight of his career. Both are explainable. Tiote is not a poor footballer, in fact he's more technically gifted than half the DMs in the prem. He just holds on to ball for far too long, partlyly due to instructions as well. And the way Pardew's team s set out it just compounds his problems. In theory most team's defensive midfielder should have the most and easiest choice of passing options as he is surrounded with his 4 defenders behind him and 4 midfielders infront. In our team we make it tough even for the defensive midfielder as Pardew always discourage passing and movement, therefore players are so far apart that a simple short pass becomes difficult. Watch Barcelona , the reason they keep the ball is not because they are all amazing passing wizards you watch their movement, when a player gets the ball he always have 5 or 6 teammates available to pass to, you have you be a complete turd to fuck up a pass playing in their team. People see them as these fancy dans but its not that at all, its their industrial workman-like that is amazing their fitness to move continuously. Working for each other making it easy for each other. Im Not saying tiote does not bring a lot of problems to himself as he is guilty of bad decisions and holding on to the ball way too long when there is a clear option to pass, but... It's usually just one option one he has available to recieve the ball and that is most likely Cabaye. Barcelona is a bad example because a lot of teams in the prem when their midfielder gets the ball they have 2-3 players ready to receive the ball. In our team we usually have one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Jesus christ. Tiote's dwelling on the ball problem contributed to Pardew now? Instructed? Does anyone know he's already well-known for this during his spell at Twente? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Jesus christ. Tiote's dwelling on the ball problem contributed to Pardew now? Instructed? Does anyone know he's already well-known for this during his spell at Twente? Teams close him down more than in his 1st season and that has exposed his weakness with his ball control. Nothing to do with Pardew, though you could ask what are the coaching staff doing to help him with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 So you'd rather waste another season and bin him in September/October than get a good manager who will play positive football in over summer? Boggles my mind all this. You constantly say the club can't get anyone better than this mug - we'll have a hell of a lot more chance in the summer than after two months of a new one, but apparently this comes second to giving him a "chance". We're not running a fucking charity giving opportunity to the under-achieving, it's a multi million pound football club and we're giving people "chances", utterly ludicrous. You know as well as I do that he's not going to change his football philosophy. Why would anyone want to watch this negative turgid rubbish for another season? I don't actually think he's got a football philosophy. His game plan is mainly just defend in numbers and then hope we get a goal from one of the two attacking players we'll have in our line up. It's the same game plan he'd have if he was in charge of Stockport County. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Jesus christ. Tiote's dwelling on the ball problem contributed to Pardew now? Instructed? Does anyone know he's already well-known for this during his spell at Twente? Teams close him down more than in his 1st season and that has exposed his weakness with his ball control. Nothing to do with Pardew, though you could ask what are the coaching staff doing to help him with that? Remember the days when we think "Tiote is classy" when he did those moves during his first season? In fact he has been doing all these since his early days (and caught out a lot of times as well). Yes you could say Pardew failed to coach him not to do so, but to say Pardew instructed him to do that? Serious? I really don't understand what is going on here. Look at our last few appointments: Hughton, Shearer, JFK, KK (2nd Reign), Allardyce, Roeder, Souness. None of them suffer that lot negative comments here. Today it is Tiote's dwelling, yesterday it is Marveaux playing time, 3 months ago it is why he didn't issue ultimatum to Ashley for more players, 6 months ago was the long ball and hoof ball, one year ago it is HBA's tracking back and playing time. On and on and on. Oh yea to some people here spending 2m on Obertan is an unforgivable sin as well. Just sack him please. I have had enough of all these bullshits. Just sack him and hire another one, hopefully that one, no matter how shit he is like JFK / Souness, he probably won't be treated like this. Please just sack Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 all I said was that Tiote's game might benefit from him being given some instruction, you've managed to turn it into an argument with yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Yes please sack him if we lose both Fulham and the Mackems ... He is a poor tactical manager and that will not change in the short term. IF Pardew leaving is going get us a better manager or not get us relegated for the better of this club we will need to pull the trigger. The fans are split because of the state we are in , the same can be said for last year when the performances didnt match the results for the full season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Jesus christ. Tiote's dwelling on the ball problem contributed to Pardew now? Instructed? Does anyone know he's already well-known for this during his spell at Twente? Teams close him down more than in his 1st season and that has exposed his weakness with his ball control. Nothing to do with Pardew, though you could ask what are the coaching staff doing to help him with that? Remember the days when we think "Tiote is classy" when he did those moves during his first season? In fact he has been doing all these since his early days (and caught out a lot of times as well). Yes you could say Pardew failed to coach him not to do so, but to say Pardew instructed him to do that? Serious? I really don't understand what is going on here. Look at our last few appointments: Hughton, Shearer, JFK, KK (2nd Reign), Allardyce, Roeder, Souness. None of them suffer that lot negative comments here. Today it is Tiote's dwelling, yesterday it is Marveaux playing time, 3 months ago it is why he didn't issue ultimatum to Ashley for more players, 6 months ago was the long ball and hoof ball, one year ago it is HBA's tracking back and playing time. On and on and on. Oh yea to some people here spending 2m on Obertan is an unforgivable sin as well. Just sack him please. I have had enough of all these bullshits. Just sack him and hire another one, hopefully that one, no matter how shit he is like JFK / Souness, he probably won't be treated like this. Please just sack Pardew. Fucking hell, the "I just want Pardew sacked so the big bullies on N-O stop calling him names" campaign is gathering pace. I'm trying to dig up some quotes but haven't had much luck, I'm sure Pardew made comments about turning Tiote into the "complete midfielder" and if that's the case then it's not unfair to say that Pardew (in this instance) isn't very good at spotting his players' strengths and weaknesses, and instructing them accordingly. The way Tiote's game has changed since he joined us would appear to back this up, but no - it's another case of players ignoring instructions and doing their own thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Jesus christ. Tiote's dwelling on the ball problem contributed to Pardew now? Instructed? Does anyone know he's already well-known for this during his spell at Twente? Teams close him down more than in his 1st season and that has exposed his weakness with his ball control. Nothing to do with Pardew, though you could ask what are the coaching staff doing to help him with that? Remember the days when we think "Tiote is classy" when he did those moves during his first season? In fact he has been doing all these since his early days (and caught out a lot of times as well). Yes you could say Pardew failed to coach him not to do so, but to say Pardew instructed him to do that? Serious? I really don't understand what is going on here. Look at our last few appointments: Hughton, Shearer, JFK, KK (2nd Reign), Allardyce, Roeder, Souness. None of them suffer that lot negative comments here. Today it is Tiote's dwelling, yesterday it is Marveaux playing time, 3 months ago it is why he didn't issue ultimatum to Ashley for more players, 6 months ago was the long ball and hoof ball, one year ago it is HBA's tracking back and playing time. On and on and on. Oh yea to some people here spending 2m on Obertan is an unforgivable sin as well. Just sack him please. I have had enough of all these bullshits. Just sack him and hire another one, hopefully that one, no matter how shit he is like JFK / Souness, he probably won't be treated like this. Please just sack Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Jesus christ. Tiote's dwelling on the ball problem contributed to Pardew now? Instructed? Does anyone know he's already well-known for this during his spell at Twente? Doesn't matter if he is directly instructed or not, the team as a whole is instructed to hold a rigid static shape, meaning no one to pass to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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