TRon Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Some very good points there, Consort. I do think set pieces were almost as s**** last season, like. I said it in the other thread but our only successful set pieces in the last two years have been the direct shots at goal which have nothing to do with Pardew's input. It's just a case of Ryan Taylor or Cabaye striking the ball well. You see more games than me. I do remember two plays from last year. One where Cisse (?) got himself on the end of the wall and than as Cabaye struck the ball he swung like a gate and the ball found the net. The other was a direct free kick just outside the box. The wall was set up guarding the near post and the keeper was near the far post. Ryan rolled the ball to the near post side of the wall and some stuck it just inside the near post. At least that's how I remember it I also remember him throwing a short option out there on corners occasionally. The point being, even if they don't result in a goal, you always give the defense something to think about, you always makew them wonder if there is something that they are missing. There has been none of that this year. Those two occasions might just have been off the cuff. A coach who practices set pieces usually has some method which can be recognised over time. Allardyce for example believes in inswinging corners because he thinks they are harder to defend, and he's had some success with it. Personally i've seen nothing from our corners in two years that suggests Pardew has any ideas other than float the ball towards the goal and hope one of the defenders gets a head on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Ironically this manager clearly likes long balls, and I class corners and set pieces as long balls to a certain extent. Just what the f*** do they do in training? The spies can really do us a favour because its been puzzling me for over a year and a half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I am just tired of him. Tired of not able to see the light because of the 8 year contract he has. Cant imagin we have to stuck with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Our set pieces have been dreadful under pardew other than direct shots on goal. I've never seen a team as bad as us from corners or free kicks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The main gripe I have with Pardew is that I dont think he is learning from any of this, any of his mistakes. I honestly believe that say in 5 years time he will still make the same ridiculous mistakes in all facets of his management of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Will he get work again if he gets sacked from here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The main gripe I have with Pardew is that I dont think he is learning from any of this, any of his mistakes. I honestly believe that say in 5 years time he will still make the same ridiculous mistakes in all facets of his management of the club. I agree, but I can't figure out whether its because hes unwilling to change or just doesn't know how to change, either way its troubling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The main gripe I have with Pardew is that I dont think he is learning from any of this, any of his mistakes. I honestly believe that say in 5 years time he will still make the same ridiculous mistakes in all facets of his management of the club. This is why I can't understand some posters wanting to give him another year. Does anyone actually believe he'll magically learn how to be an effective manager over the offseason? No, he'll come back next season with the same damn shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Pardew makes some monumental mistakes game after game. I think switching formations at half time was one of the biggest fuck ups also, as was Ben Arfa for Cabaye. The bloke just doesn't have a clue. He went to 4-4-2 with Sissoko on the Left and he doesn't look comfortable there. The 4-4-2 played right into Sunderlands hands and resulted in punts up to Shola (Krul can't even kick the ball that far so ends up dropping just over half way leading to pressure straight back on us). Add to that the fact that Shola did fuck all and our midfield was now wide open, Jonas at left back, it was no surprise what happened. Total shambles and Pardew consciously made those decisions. Players can be blamed for lack of effort but my word Pardew has no clue how to get this team to play football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Will he get work again if he gets sacked from here? heard they going to give Pulis the bullet sooner or later, thats one club in the prem i can think of who may give him the job. It would be perfect for him to be honest lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Will he get work again if he gets sacked from here? Of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Will he get work again if he gets sacked from here? ASDA's shelves always need stacking mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The main gripe I have with Pardew is that I dont think he is learning from any of this, any of his mistakes. I honestly believe that say in 5 years time he will still make the same ridiculous mistakes in all facets of his management of the club. I agree, but I can't figure out whether its because hes unwilling to change or just doesn't know how to change, either way its troubling. Bit of both I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 He did better with the likes of Best and Lovenkrands, he just doesn't have the ability or mentality to manage a team like this. Our only hope is to wait for him to accidentally hit the right formula, how depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Pardew makes some monumental mistakes game after game. I think switching formations at half time was one of the biggest fuck ups also, as was Ben Arfa for Cabaye. The bloke just doesn't have a clue. He went to 4-4-2 with Sissoko on the Left and he doesn't look comfortable there. The 4-4-2 played right into Sunderlands hands and resulted in punts up to Shola (Krul can't even kick the ball that far so ends up dropping just over half way leading to pressure straight back on us). Add to that the fact that Shola did fuck all and our midfield was now wide open, Jonas at left back, it was no surprise what happened. Total shambles and Pardew consciously made those decisions. Players can be blamed for lack of effort but my word Pardew has no clue how to get this team to play football Painful reading. In the pre-match thread I said that the Benfica approach where we started off conservatively and brought on the likes of Marveaux and HBA against tiring legs would make actually sense against Sunderland as they needed a win more than us. In the event Marveaux was one of our better players but we gave Sessegnon the run of the park all game. You keep thinking he can't keep dropping clangers but match after match he seems to come up with new and bizarre howlers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 the back page of the Chron is simply "Sorry". If he actually apologises on TV, could someone rip it, loop it and do a Clegg-esque autotune remix? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Seriously, how hard is it to get good technical players who love to pass the ball and move to.......errr.........pass the ball and move? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I don't think he's even capable of championship level, Pardew getting a championship team promoted? No chance. League one at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I don't think he's even capable of championship level, Pardew getting a championship team promoted? No chance. League one at best. He's already done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I don't think he's even capable of championship level, Pardew getting a championship team promoted? No chance. League one at best. He's already done that. i forgot lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I don't think he's even capable of championship level, Pardew getting a championship team promoted? No chance. League one at best. He's already done that. Through the play-offs, which is the absolute best we could hope for if he takes us down and keeps his job. Like Allardyce last season, his brand of football will never win a league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I don't think he's even capable of championship level, Pardew getting a championship team promoted? No chance. League one at best. He's already done that. Through the play-offs, which is the absolute best we could hope for if he takes us down and keeps his job. Like Allardyce last season, his brand of football will never win a league. It's not even the brand that's the problem. A properly-executed 4-4-2/4-5-1 can still be successful in the PL. It's that Pardew absolutely sucks at implementing his own brand. Nor does he recognize that we don't have the personnel to play his brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I don't think he's even capable of championship level, Pardew getting a championship team promoted? No chance. League one at best. He's already done that. Through the play-offs, which is the absolute best we could hope for if he takes us down and keeps his job. Like Allardyce last season, his brand of football will never win a league. And people say players like him, yeah right. I cant see many sticking around once we are down. Especially not for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Just in from work. Has this cunt been sacked yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Just in from work. Has this cunt been sacked yet? Yes. Yes he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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