Alan Pardew

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Well, his past record is roughly start well, fade and then get sacked, so it's hard to say if he's capable of turning it around.

 

As Inochi said though, I don't necessarily have a problem with a system based on general solidity combined with the flair of individual attackers. We were nowhere near as bad last season as people think. You don't limp to 5th place by being shit.

[mrmojorisin75]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here

 

so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time

 

in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too

 

so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah

[Ikon]

I've wanted him gone ages ago, like some of you. Now im afraid it might be too late   The players are soo low on confidence and belief atm, absolutely rock bottom. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The players are soo low on confidence and belief atm, absolutely rock bottom. 

 

I'm not sure I buy this, between Benfica and Fulham they seemed fine. Obviously being destroyed in the derby is a blow, but we have to hope they react to it in the right way.

[Flip]

I've wanted him gone ages ago, like some of you. Now im afraid it might be too late   The players are soo low on confidence and belief atm, absolutely rock bottom. 

 

It's never too late, and if he manages to relegate this squad he will be hung. He's not THAT bad. Well, hopefully at least.

[Dr Venkman]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised?

[beardsleymagic]

Was just wondering, what are peoples pro's and con's for getting rid of him?

 

Might get a clearer picture from this because I am struggling to think of many con's at the minute.

[Dr Venkman]

So we sack him after six games and write off another season.

 

That's preferential, in your view, to getting a positive manager in over the summer and giving him a pre season?

 

You must have fucking loved Freddy Shepherd, that sort of idiocy was his specialist subject.

 

Wouldn't the way Shepherd behaved by an argument for not sacking Pardew?

No.

 

Well thanks for that.

 

Just messing Ian. Personally I think the way Shepherd behaved is a massive fuck off warning sign of what we can expect if we let him start another season. We need to be proactive and bring someone in as soon as the season ends. If we sack him mid season our options are drastically reduced and the cycle of appointing bad managers is more likely to continue.

[Dr Venkman]

Was just wondering, what are peoples pro's and con's for getting rid of him?

 

Might get a clearer picture from this because I am struggling to think of many con's at the minute.

 

Con's  - We're not sure who we'll get.

 

Pro's - Everything else.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The cons are harder to articulate because they're about an unknown future with an unknown replacement.

 

FWIW I've said before that I wouldn't really be able to argue with the sacking, or shed a tear for Pards. He is getting to the situation where a manager would normally be in great danger, but I just don't think it's in the plan to sack him unless there's a disaster like relegation.

[Guest icemanblue]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here

 

so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time

 

in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too

 

so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah

 

I'd have accepted it as a facetious comment if it didn't carry the tone and message of most of your posts on this subject. No reason to expect that to be any different.

 

Again, I don't agree that we weren't creating many chances. I'd argue that it would be a near impossibility for your strikers to score 30+ goals with a shortage of chances being made for them. Yes, there were some wonder strikes. They happen in every season. But, for the most part, strikers need some form of chance to score goals. The argument that it's a negative for your attacking, creative players to be responsible for your attacking, creative play is one I really struggle with.

 

The bit in bold, again, not for me. We had massive luck with injuries, that can't be argued. However, we suffered a couple of absolute howkings last year, yet we always bounced back and maintained a relative amount of form for the entirety of the campaign. Post match threads would be filled with those happy that 'Pardiola' had learned from his mistakes in the previous games.

 

What I'm getting at is that this season he's had an absolute shitter. At times, it's verged on criminally bad. But, in my opinion, he has shown what he's capable of over the course of a season previously. For that reason alone, there should be some doubt in a prediction that next season will repeat this. While not quite 50/50, I'd say that there is at least a chance that next season could be an improvement.

[Dr Venkman]

The cons are harder to articulate because they're about an unknown future with an unknown replacement.

 

FWIW I've said before that I wouldn't really be able to argue with the sacking, or shed a tear for Pards. He is getting to the situation where a manager would normally be in great danger, but I just don't think it's in the plan to sack him unless there's a disaster like relegation.

 

It wasn't in the plan to bring in Gouffran and Sissoko in January, or pay that much for Debuchy.

[Dr Venkman]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here

 

so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time

 

in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too

 

so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah

 

I'd have accepted it as a facetious comment if it didn't carry the tone and message of most of your posts on this subject. No reason to expect that to be any different.

 

Again, I don't agree that we weren't creating many chances. I'd argue that it would be a near impossibility for your strikers to score 30+ goals with a shortage of chances being made for them. Yes, there were some wonder strikes. They happen in every season. But, for the most part, strikers need some form of chance to score goals. The argument that it's a negative for your attacking, creative players to be responsible for your attacking, creative play is one I really struggle with.

 

The bit in bold, again, not for me. We had massive luck with injuries, that can't be argued. However, we suffered a couple of absolute howkings last year, yet we always bounced back and maintained a relative amount of form for the entirety of the campaign. Post match threads would be filled with those happy that 'Pardiola' had learned from his mistakes in the previous games.

 

What I'm getting at is that this season he's had an absolute shitter. At times, it's verged on criminally bad. But, in my opinion, he has shown what he's capable of over the course of a season previously. For that reason alone, there should be some doubt in a prediction that next season will repeat this. While not quite 50/50, I'd say that there is at least a chance that next season could be an improvement.

 

There's definitely a chance there could be an improvement, it would be silly to say otherwise. I'd say there's a very small chance of an improvement in the tactics though, I've seen too much of his football now to think otherwise.

[Guest neesy111]

Who knows what Ashley is thinking.  Though I'd very surprised if he wasn't massively pissed off about this season.

[Guest icemanblue]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised?

 

It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye.

[Dr Venkman]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised?

 

It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye.

 

Why might it have become unorganised?

[Dave]

The cons are harder to articulate because they're about an unknown future with an unknown replacement.

 

FWIW I've said before that I wouldn't really be able to argue with the sacking, or shed a tear for Pards. He is getting to the situation where a manager would normally be in great danger, but I just don't think it's in the plan to sack him unless there's a disaster like relegation.

 

Agree.

[mrmojorisin75]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here

 

so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time

 

in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too

 

so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah

 

I'd have accepted it as a facetious comment if it didn't carry the tone and message of most of your posts on this subject. No reason to expect that to be any different.

 

Again, I don't agree that we weren't creating many chances. I'd argue that it would be a near impossibility for your strikers to score 30+ goals with a shortage of chances being made for them. Yes, there were some wonder strikes. They happen in every season. But, for the most part, strikers need some form of chance to score goals. The argument that it's a negative for your attacking, creative players to be responsible for your attacking, creative play is one I really struggle with.

 

The bit in bold, again, not for me. We had massive luck with injuries, that can't be argued. However, we suffered a couple of absolute howkings last year, yet we always bounced back and maintained a relative amount of form for the entirety of the campaign. Post match threads would be filled with those happy that 'Pardiola' had learned from his mistakes in the previous games.

 

What I'm getting at is that this season he's had an absolute shitter. At times, it's verged on criminally bad. But, in my opinion, he has shown what he's capable of over the course of a season previously. For that reason alone, there should be some doubt in a prediction that next season will repeat this. While not quite 50/50, I'd say that there is at least a chance that next season could be an improvement.

 

i don't get you at all man, if everything had went for him last year we'd have won the fucking league wouldn't we?

 

[Flip]

The cons are harder to articulate because they're about an unknown future with an unknown replacement.

 

FWIW I've said before that I wouldn't really be able to argue with the sacking, or shed a tear for Pards. He is getting to the situation where a manager would normally be in great danger, but I just don't think it's in the plan to sack him unless there's a disaster like relegation.

 

That's fair enough.

[Ikon]

No matter where we finished last season we didn't play good football imo, apart from a few ones where Ba played left in a 4-3-3 or whatever. In fact i don't know how many points we earned in games where we were totally outplayed and tbh deserved absolutely nothing.

[mrmojorisin75]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised?

 

It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye.

 

of course it is, when you don't score a lot of goals you can't afford to concede many

 

simples

[Guest neesy111]

The cons are harder to articulate because they're about an unknown future with an unknown replacement.

 

FWIW I've said before that I wouldn't really be able to argue with the sacking, or shed a tear for Pards. He is getting to the situation where a manager would normally be in great danger, but I just don't think it's in the plan to sack him unless there's a disaster like relegation.

 

Good post Ian.

[Dr Venkman]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised?

 

It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye.

 

of course it is, when you don't score a lot of goals you can't afford to concede many

 

simples

 

It's definitely a contributing factor, I'm just interested in why we've become less organised. Fwiw having watched Pardew football for over 2 years I think our problems are:

 

90% - We look either incapable or unwilling to attack as a team and create chances due to the emphasis placed on rigidity

 

10% - Lack of defensive organisation

[Guest icemanblue]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here

 

so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time

 

in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too

 

so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah

 

I'd have accepted it as a facetious comment if it didn't carry the tone and message of most of your posts on this subject. No reason to expect that to be any different.

 

Again, I don't agree that we weren't creating many chances. I'd argue that it would be a near impossibility for your strikers to score 30+ goals with a shortage of chances being made for them. Yes, there were some wonder strikes. They happen in every season. But, for the most part, strikers need some form of chance to score goals. The argument that it's a negative for your attacking, creative players to be responsible for your attacking, creative play is one I really struggle with.

 

The bit in bold, again, not for me. We had massive luck with injuries, that can't be argued. However, we suffered a couple of absolute howkings last year, yet we always bounced back and maintained a relative amount of form for the entirety of the campaign. Post match threads would be filled with those happy that 'Pardiola' had learned from his mistakes in the previous games.

 

What I'm getting at is that this season he's had an absolute shitter. At times, it's verged on criminally bad. But, in my opinion, he has shown what he's capable of over the course of a season previously. For that reason alone, there should be some doubt in a prediction that next season will repeat this. While not quite 50/50, I'd say that there is at least a chance that next season could be an improvement.

 

i don't get you at all man, if everything had went for him last year we'd have won the fucking league wouldn't we?

 

 

I really don't know why you're pulling me on that, when you said it?

[Ryan_Taylor]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on s**** football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

 

You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised?

 

It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye.

 

of course it is, when you don't score a lot of goals you can't afford to concede many

 

simples

 

It's definitely a contributing factor, I'm just interested in why we've become less organised. Fwiw having watched Pardew football for over 2 years I think our problems are:

 

90% - We look either incapable or unwilling to attack as a team and create chances due to the emphasis placed on rigidity

 

10% - Lack of defensive organisation

 

So, we're pretty much useless then