SEMTEX Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If it was £5m, then at least £4.98m of that would be heading to the new man, cos there is no chance Pardew's payoff is more than a few grand and maybe a six pack of sausage rolls for the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I know it's a different board but Souness should have been sacked as soon as that final whistle went against Chelsea at the end of his first season here. It was obvious he wasn't the right man to take it forward, so instead of that Shepherd decided to back the wrong horse. Where Shepherd failed Ashley needs to succeed and dismiss him after the Arsenal game. As history as shown even if Pardew is backed in the summer window there's no point in doing it if you are backing the wrong horse. January has proved that just because he has been given extra resources at his disposal it doesn't make him a better manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What would the price actually be overall if we sack Pardew and bring in a new man, compen, contracts etc? I'm guessing it would safely be under £5m? Pardew's pay-off is a year of his contract. So even though the headlines all screamed out about stability due to his eight year deal, in reality it's more like a one year rolling contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What would the price actually be overall if we sack Pardew and bring in a new man, compen, contracts etc? I'm guessing it would safely be under £5m? Pardew's pay-off is a year of his contract. Aye but you have to consider paying off all the backroom staff too no? as Ashley in his infinite wisdom gave Stone, Carver etc etc 8 year contracts too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 TBF Bramble on his day was f***ing excellent. The problem was the other 364 days when he was shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 TBF Bramble on his day was f***ing excellent. The problem was the other 364 days when he was s***. shocking player. kind of like the pardew of managers on Pardew's day he's quite good. the other 364 days he just imitates a huge turd on the sidelines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I know it's a different board but Souness should have been sacked as soon as that final whistle went against Chelsea at the end of his first season here. It was obvious he wasn't the right man to take it forward, so instead of that Shepherd decided to back the wrong horse. Where Shepherd failed Ashley needs to succeed and dismiss him after the Arsenal game. As history as shown even if Pardew is backed in the summer window there's no point in doing it if you are backing the wrong horse. January has proved that just because he has been given extra resources at his disposal it doesn't make him a better manager. That's my worry. Ashley is a novice in these circumstances. Not sure he will recognize what's going on but rather stick with Pardew and hope for better rewards next season. Fully agree in general. It's a breaking point for where we're heading at the moment. There's no way we'll progress under Pardew, it's there for anyone with a bit of understanding about football to see. Unfortunately I'm not convinced Ashley and Llambias possess that understanding yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 We shouldn't like. If we finished anywhere top half I'd be happy, it just depends if its 10th place 3 seasons in a row. No signs of progression and I'd be displeased. So if we finish 10th this season you'll be happy? Even though we've been atrocious for an entire season and got humiliated by that lot? Exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. This is my whole point, it's not the final league position that matters. As long as the club deliver enough pride, excitement and pleasure over a season I'm not going to worry too much about whether we end up 7th or 10th. The club should be aiming to qualify for Europe though, minimum. Cups look like a far more effective, and more enjoyable route to Europe. See Wigan & Swansea... I'd take a season like Swansea had. I distinctly remember you telling me last season that we shouldn't bother our arse with the cups because we've got no chance! Getting into europe through the cups with Pardew, that's about as likely as scoring a corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I still think people are too quick to dismiss talk of him being sacked. It might not be likely right now but if Ashley's proved anything it's that he's unpredictable. I would've said it was virtually impossible a couple of weeks ago but you've got to think at some point they'll figure out that he's not getting the most out of Ashley's investment. Player values will have dropped compared to last season too. You just can't sustain the 'model' under these circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I agreee with tooj, as soon as the final whistle blows on the last game of the season...bin him. be bold and look for someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I still think people are too quick to dismiss talk of him being sacked. It might not be likely right now but if Ashley's proved anything it's that he's unpredictable. I would've said it was virtually impossible a couple of weeks ago but you've got to think at some point they'll figure out that he's not getting the most out of Ashley's investment. Player values will have dropped compared to last season too. You just can't sustain the 'model' under these circumstances. That's a good point actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 In hindsight, should've sold Tiote last season when we could've gotten £15-20m for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Maybe £10-15m instead. Regardless, he's certainly worth much less now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Hopefully we won't be saying that after next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Hopefully we won't be saying that after next season. With a bit of luck we'll be talking about how well our new manager has us playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I still think people are too quick to dismiss talk of him being sacked. It might not be likely right now but if Ashley's proved anything it's that he's unpredictable. I would've said it was virtually impossible a couple of weeks ago but you've got to think at some point they'll figure out that he's not getting the most out of Ashley's investment. Player values will have dropped compared to last season too. You just can't sustain the 'model' under these circumstances. Yep. The "model" probably also includes player and club value increasing. The players aren't performing, therefore their valuations are decreasing and the position our club is in at the moment in the table is harming value. He's a business man and he'll see that 100%. Now if he continues to think only like a strict businessman he'll then weigh the options of the cost of sacking AP and his backroom team vs. the cost of what another season of having to buy hims players to help him out of trouble and/or the decreasing values of purple players who were supposed/could have been moved on for a hefty profit that have digressed under AP's stewardship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Surely flirting so close to relegation and some embarrassing results, not least of which against our biggest rivals for bragging rights and a minimum expectation of a top 8 finish is enough to bury him?! Agreed its no good sacking him so close to the end of the season whilst being dangerously close to relegation, I think Ashley will have learnt from last time that management changes in this predicament can have serious adverse effects. Once we're safe, we should bin him, there are NO excuses for this season, especially after the purchases made in January, plus even the thickest of football fans can see our players are going backwards in quality at an alarming rate! Even the newest additions such as Sissoko, who looked a beast when he joined is looking jaded, unskilled and disinterested. Rant over, just sick of the shit performances, lack of cohesion, tactics, movement, pressing and marking and sick to death of the constant stream of bullshit we get fed after every match!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Surely flirting so close to relegation and some embarrassing results, not least of which against our biggest rivals for bragging rights and a minimum expectation of a top 8 finish is enough to bury him?! Agreed its no good sacking him so close to the end of the season whilst being dangerously close to relegation, I think Ashley will have learnt from last time that management changes in this predicament can have serious adverse effects. Once we're safe, we should bin him, there are NO excuses for this season, especially after the purchases made in January, plus even the thickest of football fans can see our players are going backwards in quality at an alarming rate! Even the newest additions such as Sissoko, who looked a beast when he joined is looking jaded, unskilled and disinterested. Rant over, just sick of the shit performances, lack of cohesion, tactics, movement, pressing and marking and sick to death of the constant stream of bullshit we get fed after every match!! Good post. Ironically enough given the opinions on here I think one of the things they'd have to contend with if they binned him is fan discontent. Not that I think they give a shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BrightonMag Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I'm resigned to him staying, which begs the question as to whether he can win anyone around from this position? If he can would it be the first time in recent history that a manager has done it? At a big club? Probably. The problem is they're never given the chance to. How many big clubs have hung on to a manager after a bad half or whole season. Famously, Man Utd (although I can't remember how bad it was) Maybe Moyes? If we were playing well and in the top 5 come October people would soon be Ok wouldn't they? I'm as frustrated by his tactics as anyone, but maybe he can learn.... OK, that was devil's advocate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Im fancying a bit of Poyet at this moment in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Surely flirting so close to relegation and some embarrassing results, not least of which against our biggest rivals for bragging rights and a minimum expectation of a top 8 finish is enough to bury him?! Agreed its no good sacking him so close to the end of the season whilst being dangerously close to relegation, I think Ashley will have learnt from last time that management changes in this predicament can have serious adverse effects. Once we're safe, we should bin him, there are NO excuses for this season, especially after the purchases made in January, plus even the thickest of football fans can see our players are going backwards in quality at an alarming rate! Even the newest additions such as Sissoko, who looked a beast when he joined is looking jaded, unskilled and disinterested. Rant over, just sick of the shit performances, lack of cohesion, tactics, movement, pressing and marking and sick to death of the constant stream of bullshit we get fed after every match!! "You can't keep changing your manager if he has a bad run - it doesn't make any sense at all. We just want to break that mould in football. Eight years... this is where we've got to be." It's not going to happen. Not yet, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Surely flirting so close to relegation and some embarrassing results, not least of which against our biggest rivals for bragging rights and a minimum expectation of a top 8 finish is enough to bury him?! Agreed its no good sacking him so close to the end of the season whilst being dangerously close to relegation, I think Ashley will have learnt from last time that management changes in this predicament can have serious adverse effects. Once we're safe, we should bin him, there are NO excuses for this season, especially after the purchases made in January, plus even the thickest of football fans can see our players are going backwards in quality at an alarming rate! Even the newest additions such as Sissoko, who looked a beast when he joined is looking jaded, unskilled and disinterested. Rant over, just sick of the s*** performances, lack of cohesion, tactics, movement, pressing and marking and sick to death of the constant stream of bullshit we get fed after every match!! Good post. Ironically enough given the opinions on here I think one of the things they'd have to contend with if they binned him is fan discontent. Not that I think they give a s***. It's essential that if we do replace him, we replace him well. Ashley has shown he doesn't give a toss who he upsets if he thinks he's making the right decision. Rightly or wrongly we have a reputation for getting on our managers back and I think in some way that has affected people's opinion on Pardew, the constant drilling of the idealism of stability is also a factor. Even taking the above into account though, we're in a rut and Pardew hasn't the tactical nous to bring us out and utilise the strengths of our players, we have one of the strongest midfields in the league on paper but we're being out battled and outplayed by teams of Sunderlands ilk. We're 2 strikers away from having one of the strongest sides I've ever seen in black and white, we're a long way away from that on the pitch and the buck has to stop with Pardew. How do you think we would fair with this team under the late Sir Bobby, so is our current predicament acceptable? I'd say not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What makes you think that isn't the general Llambias guff Dave, I'm genuinely interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What makes you think that isn't the general Llambias guff Dave, I'm genuinely interested. Dunno. I suppose I think it's pretty genuine that they believe in the current set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Like I said, I think it's the general opinion that stability breeds success, I.e Alex Ferguson et al and I also think that given what happened with him historically may lead to Pardew being given more time yet. Agreed stability does bring a modecum of success, you can see that with teams like Arsenal and Man U but would anyone put Pardew on an equal footing with Wenger or Ferguson? You need a decent manager as well as stability. Chelsea and Man City have a history of removing managers due to a few bad results, and in that sense I agree, they've had some amazing managers they've binned because they've only won one trophy that season, now that's insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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