Guest firetotheworks Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I didn't see the game today, and as s*** as Norwich apparently were, I can understand setting up for a point. We needed to stop the rot today, desperately. You've got to hope the clean sheet will give us some confidence. EDIT: And having Cabaye (and even Gutierrez, out of form or not he's a senior player I guess) back can only help. Hopefully Taylor will be back for Reading, although I bet Williamson keeps his place due to today's shutout. Do you think you would still understand it had we lost? Results obviously have an almost holistic influence on our opinions after a match, but I'm almost always against what I see as Pardew's way of playing for a draw. If he told me that Man United and Arsenal away were his way of playing for a draw in those situations then I'd probably say 'fair enough', but then we won't take the same risks to score like we do against the bigger teams as we do against the smaller teams, for fear of being hit on the break, for me it's illogical. At the start of this season there was a lot of talk about our firepower, and rightly so. At the time, it was thought that we'd play the front 3 of Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa with Cabaye behin that were, at times, brilliant last season. Teams should have been fearful of those players, but instead they were played out of position and asked to put half of their energy into what I think Pardew sees as being accountable, not going AWOL etc, but in an attacking sense I see as being unpredictable to the opposition and creative. No one is scared of them anymore imo. Not because they aren't capable, but because they're not being allowed to show what they're capable of. I've used this analogy loads, but the way Cabaye and even Cisse have have been used this season, it's like hiring artists to emulsion your walls. Aye, they can do it, but what the fuck is the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I didn't see the game today, and as s*** as Norwich apparently were, I can understand setting up for a point. We needed to stop the rot today, desperately. You've got to hope the clean sheet will give us some confidence. EDIT: And having Cabaye (and even Gutierrez, out of form or not he's a senior player I guess) back can only help. Hopefully Taylor will be back for Reading, although I bet Williamson keeps his place due to today's shutout. Do you think you would still understand it had we lost? Results obviously have an almost holistic influence on our opinions after a match, but I'm almost always against what I see as Pardew's way of playing for a draw. If he told me that Man United and Arsenal away were his way of playing for a draw in those situations then I'd probably say 'fair enough', but then we won't take the same risks to score like we do against the bigger teams as we do against the smaller teams, for fear of being hit on the break, for me it's illogical. At the start of this season there was a lot of talk about our firepower, and rightly so. At the time, it was thought that we'd play the front 3 of Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa with Cabaye behin that were, at times, brilliant last season. Teams should have been fearful of those players, but instead they were played out of position and asked to put half of their energy into what I think Pardew sees as being accountable, not going AWOL etc, but in an attacking sense I see as being unpredictable to the opposition and creative. No one is scared of them anymore imo. Not because they aren't capable, but because they're not being allowed to show what they're capable of. I've used this analogy loads, but the way Cabaye and even Cisse have have been used this season, it's like hiring artists to emulsion your walls. Aye, they can do it, but what the fuck is the point? I think there's an element of truth in that for sure, I would have taken a 0-0 before kickoff fwiw as I think today was just about not losing the game. Whilst we looked pretty good going forwards in those two away defeats at Old Trafford and the Emirates, we looked dodgy as fuck in defence and that's probably the biggest concern, shipping 4 and then 7 goals away from home (and then losing a home game) will have shattered the confidence of the team, particularly the defenders, and a 'keep it tight' away draw might help restore that. Who knows, if we'd set up like the aforementioned games we might have ran away comfortable winners today. It's hard to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Surprised he's getting so much grief after an away draw in such tricky circumstances. Next week is huge mind. The football is dire mate, absolutely rotten. Last season we could say 'yeah but it's getting results, he's making us hard to beat and we'll push on from there'. The way we started this season was enough to tell me that there was never the intention to move on from there, he only knows keep it tight and nick one football. He's getting stick because of the football, when you consider the talent we've got in some areas, we're an absolutely awful team. Bang on. :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Surprised he's getting so much grief after an away draw in such tricky circumstances. Next week is huge mind. The football is dire mate, absolutely rotten. Last season we could say 'yeah but it's getting results, he's making us hard to beat and we'll push on from there'. The way we started this season was enough to tell me that there was never the intention to move on from there, he only knows keep it tight and nick one football. He's getting stick because of the football, when you consider the talent we've got in some areas, we're an absolutely awful team. Bang on. :thup: Got to agree also. The football wasn't great for much of last season but it was masked by good results. imo he's yet to utilise the talents of Cabaye and especially Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Surprised he's getting so much grief after an away draw in such tricky circumstances. Next week is huge mind. The football is dire mate, absolutely rotten. Last season we could say 'yeah but it's getting results, he's making us hard to beat and we'll push on from there'. The way we started this season was enough to tell me that there was never the intention to move on from there, he only knows keep it tight and nick one football. He's getting stick because of the football, when you consider the talent we've got in some areas, we're an absolutely awful team. Bang on. :thup: Got to agree also. The football wasn't great for much of last season but it was masked by good results. imo he's yet to utilise the talents of Cabaye and especially Ben Arfa. and Marveaux and Cisse and Santon and... even Obertan tbh. I don't think Tiote consistently going backwards since Pardew has taken over is a coincidence either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Game was there to be won today, but he bottled it - set us up for the point. I'm disturbed as to how lacking in ideas and attacking play we are, as well as the lack of incoming transfers. Nevermind fannying about saying we are in for '3 or 4' - get them feckin signed! Given the circumstances this is the one time where I don't really blame him for setting us up for a point. We've been so open at the back recently conceding a flood of goals, we really needed not to get beaten yesterday. If we'd gone for it, left ourselves open and then conceded and lost it would have been a disaster the way things have been going. That said if he sets us up negatively at home against Reading or doesn't go for the kill against a Villa team almost on its knees then I'll be the first to come on here and slate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Umpteenth time in saying this - but this is what happens when you have non-football men running the club. Horseplop. Citeh, Manure, Chelski, Ar*e all have non-football men running the club but they are all prepared to spend big. The rest like Reading Scumderland, Villa have the same non-footballing men but aren't aren't prepared to invest... same as Cashley. The game has changed.. it's now a business/billionaires playground. Rubbish They might have billionaire owners but they arent running the clubs they have the likes of Ivan Gazidis (arsenal) David Gill (manu) Daniel Levy (spurs) doing that, weve got a casino owner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Game was there to be won today, but he bottled it - set us up for the point. I'm disturbed as to how lacking in ideas and attacking play we are, as well as the lack of incoming transfers. Nevermind fannying about saying we are in for '3 or 4' - get them feckin signed! Given the circumstances this is the one time where I don't really blame him for setting us up for a point. We've been so open at the back recently conceding a flood of goals, we really needed not to get beaten yesterday. If we'd gone for it, left ourselves open and then conceded and lost it would have been a disaster the way things have been going. That said if he sets us up negatively at home against Reading or doesn't go for the kill against a Villa team almost on its knees then I'll be the first to come on here and slate him. I was quite happy with a point before yesterday until I saw how bad Norwich actually were. They look almost as bereft of confidence as us after losing 3 in a row before yesterday and they certainly had far less quality in their ranks. NowI'm wondering where our next win is coming from. I doubt we'll see many worse teams that them this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Game was there to be won today, but he bottled it - set us up for the point. I'm disturbed as to how lacking in ideas and attacking play we are, as well as the lack of incoming transfers. Nevermind fannying about saying we are in for '3 or 4' - get them feckin signed! Given the circumstances this is the one time where I don't really blame him for setting us up for a point. We've been so open at the back recently conceding a flood of goals, we really needed not to get beaten yesterday. If we'd gone for it, left ourselves open and then conceded and lost it would have been a disaster the way things have been going. That said if he sets us up negatively at home against Reading or doesn't go for the kill against a Villa team almost on its knees then I'll be the first to come on here and slate him. I was quite happy with a point before yesterday until I saw how bad Norwich actually were. They look almost as bereft of confidence as us after losing 3 in a row before yesterday and they certainly had far less quality in their ranks. NowI'm wondering where our next win is coming from. I doubt we'll see many worse teams that them this season. most people seemed happy with the team before the game. i didn't watched the game but caught the football first thing aqnd it just seemed like there was a huge gap between cisse and the midfield, particularly marveaux as he was supposed to be the 'no 10', a role i don't think he can play to any great effect. strange how many on here see him in that role but i don't see him as a central player. imo he has to play wide in a 4 or as a 2 off a forward where a lot of the job is still to provide width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Game was there to be won today, but he bottled it - set us up for the point. I'm disturbed as to how lacking in ideas and attacking play we are, as well as the lack of incoming transfers. Nevermind fannying about saying we are in for '3 or 4' - get them feckin signed! Given the circumstances this is the one time where I don't really blame him for setting us up for a point. We've been so open at the back recently conceding a flood of goals, we really needed not to get beaten yesterday. If we'd gone for it, left ourselves open and then conceded and lost it would have been a disaster the way things have been going. That said if he sets us up negatively at home against Reading or doesn't go for the kill against a Villa team almost on its knees then I'll be the first to come on here and slate him. I was quite happy with a point before yesterday until I saw how bad Norwich actually were. They look almost as bereft of confidence as us after losing 3 in a row before yesterday and they certainly had far less quality in their ranks. NowI'm wondering where our next win is coming from. I doubt we'll see many worse teams that them this season. most people seemed happy with the team before the game. i didn't watched the game but caught the football first thing aqnd it just seemed like there was a huge gap between cisse and the midfield, particularly marveaux as he was supposed to be the 'no 10', a role i don't think he can play to any great effect. strange how many on here see him in that role but i don't see him as a central player. imo he has to play wide in a 4 or as a 2 off a forward where a lot of the job is still to provide width. I think to get a point, which most people would have been happy with before the game the team was fine. Two defensive midfielders, three if you count Gutierrez. It's only when you realise that Norwich themselves were looking like a poor team that you start wondering where the next win will come from. While we defended ok, the wide players were awful going forward and Marveaux spent as much time in his own half as the opposition's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 well the good news is remy is 6ft+ so anita's long balls will have a better chance of hitting his head than cisse's /cowardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 well the good news is remy is 6ft+ so anita's long balls will have a better chance of hitting his head than cisse's /cowardew 'kin hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 don't take that seriously please EDIT: except perhaps cowardew, i'm going to keep using that until he stops being a fucking coward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 don't take that seriously please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Glad to see that they appear to be backing him in the transfer market. Of course it remains to be seen if anyone else is sold to balance the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Aye he's done that before too. I remember when we got beat away at Stevenage and he decided to portion all blame for that on Tim Krul which was quite baffling indeed. A big concern for me at the moment is how we can't mix our play up to any degree of success. Take yesterday for example - we try to keep solid at the back which worked. Yet we posed no threat at all going forward. We looked good going forward at Old Trafford and The Emirates yet our defending was shambolic. We just can't get that balance right at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Glad to see that they appear to be backing him in the transfer market. Of course it remains to be seen if anyone else is sold to balance the books. Once it was clear Ba was leaving we were always going to have to buy a replacement. Even Ashley's not stupid enough to risk relegation which has started looking more likely with every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Aye he's done that before too. I remember when we got beat away at Stevenage and he decided to portion all blame for that on Tim Krul which was quite baffling indeed. A big concern for me at the moment is how we can't mix our play up to any degree of success. Take yesterday for example - we try to keep solid at the back which worked. Yet we posed no threat at all going forward. We looked good going forward at Old Trafford and The Emirates yet our defending was shambolic. We just can't get that balance right at all. Agreed. AP seems to have no idea to get this sorted either. Taking yesterday, we were a little open in the first half but that was mainly due to Perch and Anita being all over the place in the middle and having no structure in protecting the defence. I think if we'd have just shored Perch up a little better, then we would have been a lot more balanced, but instead we went completely into our shell and moved everyone, bar Cisse, further back. His interpretation of high pressing is weird as well and was a big factor in being vulnerable in that first half. I get Marveux pressing along with Cisse but the former was closing down full backs too, despite having wide men to do that job already, rendering the 3 man midfield pointless. And sometimes Perch was the furthest man forward with Marveaux taking up a defensive midfield role. It just seems over complicated, we were too fluid in the middle and looked weak as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. Aye he's done that before too. I remember when we got beat away at Stevenage and he decided to portion all blame for that on Tim Krul which was quite baffling indeed. A big concern for me at the moment is how we can't mix our play up to any degree of success. Take yesterday for example - we try to keep solid at the back which worked. Yet we posed no threat at all going forward. We looked good going forward at Old Trafford and The Emirates yet our defending was shambolic. We just can't get that balance right at all. Agreed. AP seems to have no idea to get this sorted either. Taking yesterday, we were a little open in the first half but that was mainly due to Perch and Anita being all over the place in the middle and having no structure in protecting the defence. I think if we'd have just shored Perch up a little better, then we would have been a lot more balanced, but instead we went completely into our shell and moved everyone, bar Cisse, further back. His interpretation of high pressing is weird as well and was a big factor in being vulnerable in that first half. I get Marveux pressing along with Cisse but the former was closing down full backs too, despite having wide men to do that job already, rendering the 3 man midfield pointless. And sometimes Perch was the furthest man forward with Marveaux taking up a defensive midfield role. It just seems over complicated, we were too fluid in the middle and looked weak as a result. He needs to develop the foundations from which we build attacks and ensure we are not so vulnerable to counter. We need a better CB than Williamson, Debuchy will hopefully help. We also need discipline in that midfield 2/3 to ensure we close out the space as other teams do to us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. To be fair we've got quite a few young players who should be banging on the door and playing out of their skins when they get on the pitch, yet some of the performances when they've been called upon have been absolutely dire. You can blame lack of experience, match readiness etc. but that's no excuse for them looking disinterested. Bigi is the only 'youth' player who has really impressed me this year. The likes of Sammy, Fergie etc. simply haven't played well enough and considering they've been on the verge of the first team side for a 18 months plus now you can understand why Pardew's a bit fucked off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. I think he did it for a certain reason, he was having a go or venting his frustration at the clubs policy of buying younger players. I believe he want more senior players through this window because he believes that would help him as he's completely bricking it over a relegation battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. I think he did it for a certain reason, he was having a go or venting his frustration at the clubs policy of buying younger players. I believe he want more senior players through this window because he believes that would help him as he's completely bricking it over a relegation battle. He's been getting progressively less subtle about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. To be fair we've got quite a few young players who should be banging on the door and playing out of their skins when they get on the pitch, yet some of the performances when they've been called upon have been absolutely dire. You can blame lack of experience, match readiness etc. but that's no excuse for them looking disinterested. Bigi is the only 'youth' player who has really impressed me this year. The likes of Sammy, Fergie etc. simply haven't played well enough and considering they've been on the verge of the first team side for a 18 months plus now you can understand why Pardew's a bit fucked off. You've got to give young players a run of games. Playing them once or twice a month will do nothing for them. The big difference between Bigi and the other young players is that he's played constantly for a season before he joined us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 On a different subject, I wasn't impressed by the way he criticised the younger players. The senior ones have been below par, but they're not so easy a target. To be fair we've got quite a few young players who should be banging on the door and playing out of their skins when they get on the pitch, yet some of the performances when they've been called upon have been absolutely dire. You can blame lack of experience, match readiness etc. but that's no excuse for them looking disinterested. Bigi is the only 'youth' player who has really impressed me this year. The likes of Sammy, Fergie etc. simply haven't played well enough and considering they've been on the verge of the first team side for a 18 months plus now you can understand why Pardew's a bit fucked off. I think too many have been chucked in wholesale for it to work. I don't really think it's fair to suddenly put 3 into a side and expect them to gel straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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