Ishmael Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 This season has been a failure and it is more to do with the lack of quality and depth in the squad than the managerial ability of Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejaxer Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I remember last season Liverpool had an average season in the league but they won a cup. I'd love it if we won Europa and finished 10th to be honest, though I can't see it happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Would it be a failure if we finished 9th-12th but got to the final of the UEFA or even won it? Still a lot of football to be played before we can really call this season a complete right off in my opinion. Good point, if we did win it then surely it's our best season since 69. Those are the fine margins though. In terms of our league campaign it has been worse than it should have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I remember last season Liverpool had an average season in the league but they won a cup. I'd love it if we won Europa and finished 10th to be honest, though I can't see it happening. They have it in their DNA/mentality to win cups during periods of relative failure. I'd love nothing more but I suspect we won't win a cup until we look like we're actually interested in winning one. Shame because it would be the best thing that's ever happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. When Ferguson finished 11th and 13th with Man Utd... did that prove he would never be a top manager? I am interested to know what formula you use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. When Ferguson finished 11th and 13th with Man Utd... did that prove he would never be a top manager? I am interested to know what formula you use. He won loads before he went there. These examples never hold up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. When Ferguson finished 11th and 13th with Man Utd... did that prove he would never be a top manager? I am interested to know what formula you use. He won loads before he went there. These examples never hold up. He'd won a lot in Scotland - yes. Not sure how that makes the example irrelevant. I'm just intrigued to know how a bad season from Pardew 'proves' he won't be a top manager. This season 'proves' nothing. It's a nonsense statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. When Ferguson finished 11th and 13th with Man Utd... did that prove he would never be a top manager? I am interested to know what formula you use. He won loads before he went there. These examples never hold up. He'd won a lot in Scotland - yes. Not sure how that makes the example irrelevant. I'm just intrigued to know how a bad season from Pardew 'proves' he won't be a top manager. This season 'proves' nothing. It's a nonsense statement. Won stuff with Aberdeen though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. When Ferguson finished 11th and 13th with Man Utd... did that prove he would never be a top manager? I am interested to know what formula you use. He won loads before he went there. These examples never hold up. He'd won a lot in Scotland - yes. Not sure how that makes the example irrelevant. I'm just intrigued to know how a bad season from Pardew 'proves' he won't be a top manager. This season 'proves' nothing. It's a nonsense statement. Ferguson won the Cup Winners Cup and The Super Cup with Aberdeen (plus much more) which would buy him time at Man Utd. Compared to the 1 Football League Trophy win in Pardew's 15 year career it's like night and day. I think the main point was that whenever Pardew does well with a team it always seems to backfire the next season and this season is yet another example of that. You can't be a top manager without consistency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Aberdeen Scottish Premier Division (3): 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85 Scottish Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86 Scottish League Cup (1): 1985–86 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83 UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Next season will be the one where Pardew can be truly judged in my opinion. My point is that this season doesn't prove anything at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. But if we won the Europa Cup, Pardew would be up there with Joe Harvey as the most sucessful NUFC manager. Says a lot for how bad our recent history has been in terms of actually winning stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 So we sign 1 or 2 good players in the summer (let say Aubameyang and Sakho, or similar level signings) and a few prospects to pad out the squad. What then is a good season for Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 So we sign 1 or 2 good players in the summer (let say Aubameyang and Sakho, or similar level signings) and a few prospects to pad out the squad. What then is a good season for Pardew? I would say Europa League qualification, is good, top ten acceptable, anything less then that is not good enough with what's available. Assuming there are no major outgoings in your scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 So we sign 1 or 2 good players in the summer (let say Aubameyang and Sakho, or similar level signings) and a few prospects to pad out the squad. What then is a good season for Pardew? I would say Europa League qualification, is good, top ten acceptable, anything less then that is not good enough with what's available. Assuming there are no major outgoings in your scenario. Just Colo as expected. 10th place acceptable with that squad really? I guess I rate our players a lot higher than some... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93628.0.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 So we sign 1 or 2 good players in the summer (let say Aubameyang and Sakho, or similar level signings) and a few prospects to pad out the squad. What then is a good season for Pardew? I would say Europa League qualification, is good, top ten acceptable, anything less then that is not good enough with what's available. Assuming there are no major outgoings in your scenario. Just Colo as expected. 10th place acceptable with that squad really? I guess I rate our players a lot higher than some... I do too but I don't think any manager that guides us to a top 10 has done a good job that season. We need to be consistenly challenging for Europa before we can raise our expectations IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Where the hell did this comparison with one of the greatest ever managers come from btw? Feel a lot more comfortable comparing him to the likes of Moyes etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If we win Europa Leauge, of course this season has been fantastic. After all it is about winning stuff. the league season has still been very disappointing and is a failure and has shown that Pardew will never be a top manager. If we win the Europa League I will be demanding Pardew gets a fucking knighthood FFS. He'll have earned his 7 more years and more if he delivered a fucking real trophy man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Where the hell did this comparison with one of the greatest ever managers come from btw? Feel a lot more comfortable comparing him to the likes of Moyes etc.. I wasn't suggesting Pards will ever be as good or even close to as good as Ferguson. My point was merely that even the greatest managers had points in their career where they could, justifiably, have been judged to be doing a bad job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Yeah, if he wins the Europa League I'll suck his knob in Fenwick's window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Next season will be the one where Pardew can be truly judged in my opinion. My point is that this season doesn't prove anything at all. How the hell does this season not prove anything at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Where the hell did this comparison with one of the greatest ever managers come from btw? Feel a lot more comfortable comparing him to the likes of Moyes etc.. I wasn't suggesting Pards will ever be as good or even close to as good as Ferguson. My point was merely that even the greatest managers had points in their career where they could, justifiably, have been judged to be doing a bad job. Not repeatedly though. Pardew wasn't sacked by West Ham and Southampton for nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Next season will be the one where Pardew can be truly judged in my opinion. My point is that this season doesn't prove anything at all. How the hell does this season not prove anything at all? Well enough people appear to think that finishing 5th didn't prove anything... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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