Guest icemanblue Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 You've lost me? Not really directed at you, mate. More of a comment on those stating what we SHOULD be capable of with this squad. It's all opinions anyway. Didn't think it was I get what you're saying too. Re: Martinez, I think it is a big achievement to keep them up and I really don't think many managers could. That being said its all conjecture and its all if's and maybes. . I have asked the question in this thread whether people think Management is a Science or an Art. I certainly think there is a lot of luck involved at times. Its also very difficult to compare like for like. Probably the only real yardstick is consistency. Whilst you can perhaps infer things from Pardew's past managerial experience he hasn't really been here long enough to say whether or not he is consistently good or consistently bad. It gets difficult to assess him objectively anyway as there will always be a combination of bias, the irrationality of emotion and forum rhetoric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'm not sure I buy the fact that Wigan staying up is such an amazing achievement. Not to mention the fact that they often only just survive on the last day. Do they really have players that are so much worse than the rest of the bottom half teams? They do have rather quality players, in spite of the lack of investment. I think that's testament to Martinez's scouting. Gomez, Kone, Di Santo, Espinoza, Ramis are all pretty shrewd acquisitions, players that could cut-it at other PL teams. Holding everything else constant though, I think Wigan immediately drops after Martinez leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Pardew smells. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Another absolutely must win for him on Sunday. There's zero excuses for us not playing well and winning in this game. 0-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Does anyone think Pardew would keep Wigan up like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Didn't Bruce keep them up or am I mistaken? Just checked - he got them to 11th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Does anyone think Pardew would keep Wigan up like? HahaHa wonder why i burst out laughing after i read your question. Seriously "No" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Aye he did a good job. Now, does anyone think Pardew would keep Wigan up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Bruce signed better players than Martinez on the whole. N'Zogbia, Palacios, Valencia etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Aye he did a good job. Now, does anyone think Pardew would keep Wigan up? Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I cannot really see any reason why Pardew couldn't keep Wigan up tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Al-Habsi Boyce Caldwell Alcaraz Figueroa Maloney McCarthy MaCarthur Beausejour Kone Di Santo 4-4-2 hoofball. Is the best he could put out providing all 1st team players stay fit all the time. Can't see it myself. Maybe by the skin of his teeth and with a lot of luck. Certinly he couldn't do it consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Aye he did a good job. Now, does anyone think Pardew would keep Wigan up? So Bruce got them to 11th and then Martinez finished 16th, 16th and 15th. Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Aye he did a good job. Now, does anyone think Pardew would keep Wigan up? So Bruce got them to 11th and then Martinez finished 16th, 16th and 15th. Interesting. Transfer market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What the fuck is going on here, man?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Al-Habsi Boyce Caldwell Alcaraz Figueroa Maloney McCarthy MaCarthur Beausejour Kone Di Santo 4-4-2 hoofball. Is the best he could put out providing all 1st team players stay fit all the time. Can't see it myself. Maybe by the skin of his teeth and with a lot of luck. Certinly he couldn't do it consistently. So just like Martinez then? And how can you even consider claiming that he 'certainly' couldn't keep them up consistently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What difference does it make if Pardew could or couldn't keep Wigan up? No one gives a fuck man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Besides we haven't played 4-4-2 hoofball since the 2-0 away defeat to Southampton People have serious agenda issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Yep. I bet this thread would look a lot different if we had managed to score a scruffy goal and they didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I don't think many people have knocked him for the the Swansea game, if we play well and lose people tend to be fairly accepting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I don't think many people have knocked him for the the Swansea game, if we play well and lose people tend to be fairly accepting. The thread does tell otherwise. We did play well(apart from some defensive issues and not managing to score) and we lost. Still people slate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 A couple of people said he should have made a change with about 20 minutes to go, most people disagree. I don't think he's been slated for the match at all. Had we played poorly and lost it would be a different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I don't think many people have knocked him for the the Swansea game, if we play well and lose people tend to be fairly accepting. The thread does tell otherwise. We did play well(apart from some defensive issues and not managing to score) and we lost. Still people slate him. It was out 14th defeat in 28 games. "But we played well" means nothing if we keep losing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I don't think many people have knocked him for the the Swansea game, if we play well and lose people tend to be fairly accepting. The thread does tell otherwise. We did play well(apart from some defensive issues and not managing to score) and we lost. Still people slate him. It was out 14th defeat in 28 games. "But we played well" means nothing if we keep losing. Swansea away is hardly the easiest fixture now is it? Wouldn't you agree that there has been a vast improvement in results and performances since the new arrivals? If all the signs point to him turning around the situation in recent weeks, why should we get rid of him now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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