mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 What about giving the ball away far too easily? Unable to play three/four yard passes at times. Could it be they arent as good as we think they are? Just playing devils advocate. as regards this i've heard it before and don't buy it, you don't make international teams like france if you can't play 4 yard passes what's more likely is they're having the confidence and understanding between players coached out of them, they're not sure what anyone is going to do off the ball and it shows in their play...i put the 4 yard passes shit down to sheer lack of concentration/laziness that comes from not being on top of your game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Can't imagine any of the players are happy with how this season has panned out tbh. I think it's fair to assume there's also some disillusionment within the squad too and it's not that much of a jump to think a couple may be thinking of moving on. Nothing to base this on, just a hunch but it wouldn't be the first time ambitious players have left a struggling team for a better one. Exactly, people are going on like that's never ever happened. No they aren't, it's just that you are going on like it's a certainty, which it isn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Aye if Arsenal or Spurs come in, they'll be desperate to stay here and keep it tight, nick a point, for another year. Get real. Some seriously in denial people on here like. It's genuinely shocking I thought this season might have been a kick in the teeth for those with their heads firmly in the sand but they have just buried deeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 There's been nothing, nada, zilch, in the press from any of these creative players desperate to escape. In fact, there has been several actual examples of the complete opposite. This argument is full to the brim with Who said anything about "desperate to escape"? In a World Cup year, they'll want to be somewhere that can showcase their talents, not stifle them. Common fucking sense. It's not 'common fucking sense', at all. It's a point of view born from relentless and unflinching negativity. Even if we'd repeated our performance from last season, we'd still be at risk of losing players to bigger clubs. That's just our lot, at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 never factored in the world cup year like only thing there is they'll need to be playing regularly so that works in our favour as both are certain starters when fit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Can't imagine any of the players are happy with how this season has panned out tbh. I think it's fair to assume there's also some disillusionment within the squad too and it's not that much of a jump to think a couple may be thinking of moving on. Nothing to base this on, just a hunch but it wouldn't be the first time ambitious players have left a struggling team for a better one. Exactly, people are going on like that's never ever happened. No they aren't, it's just that you are going on like it's a certainty, which it isn't We've got a lot of top class players IMO and I think it is a certainty that at least a couple will go, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Whether they come or not; having one eye on the door can only be a bad thing. They are paid handsomely on great contracts; which seems to count for little unfortunately these days. You've got to be seen to be aspirational and competitve which despite the legacy of last season with the Europa league, we haven't been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 What about giving the ball away far too easily? Unable to play three/four yard passes at times. Could it be they arent as good as we think they are? Just playing devils advocate. as regards this i've heard it before and don't buy it, you don't make international teams like france if you can't play 4 yard passes what's more likely is they're having the confidence and understanding between players coached out of them, they're not sure what anyone is going to do off the ball and it shows in their play...i put the 4 yard passes shit down to sheer lack of concentration/laziness that comes from not being on top of your game I get accused of making excuses for Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 There's been nothing, nada, zilch, in the press from any of these creative players desperate to escape. In fact, there has been several actual examples of the complete opposite. This argument is full to the brim with Who said anything about "desperate to escape"? In a World Cup year, they'll want to be somewhere that can showcase their talents, not stifle them. Common fucking sense. It's not 'common fucking sense', at all. It's a point of view born from relentless and unflinching negativity. Even if we'd repeated our performance from last season, we'd still be at risk of losing players to bigger clubs. That's just our lot, at the minute. Negativity. We're in a relegation battle and people are still peddling that shit? Grow up ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 What about giving the ball away far too easily? Unable to play three/four yard passes at times. Could it be they arent as good as we think they are? Just playing devils advocate. as regards this i've heard it before and don't buy it, you don't make international teams like france if you can't play 4 yard passes what's more likely is they're having the confidence and understanding between players coached out of them, they're not sure what anyone is going to do off the ball and it shows in their play...i put the 4 yard passes shit down to sheer lack of concentration/laziness that comes from not being on top of your game I get accused of making excuses for Pardew. sorry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 There's been nothing, nada, zilch, in the press from any of these creative players desperate to escape. In fact, there has been several actual examples of the complete opposite. This argument is full to the brim with Who said anything about "desperate to escape"? In a World Cup year, they'll want to be somewhere that can showcase their talents, not stifle them. Common fucking sense. It's not 'common fucking sense', at all. It's a point of view born from relentless and unflinching negativity. Even if we'd repeated our performance from last season, we'd still be at risk of losing players to bigger clubs. That's just our lot, at the minute. Negativity. We're in a relegation battle and people are still peddling that shit? Grow up ffs. I'm not the one going on like a spoilt child, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 That'll be our international star (and definitely not overhyped) players who are all picked regularly by their national teams? Where are they moving for these sums of money (£15m+)? Because it's only aside from the PL teams, RM, Barca, Juve and PSG and those in Russia/Ukraine/Turkey no-one has any money. If anything given that most of them have been at best average this season clubs are less likely to want too buy them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 We had one good season, followed by one bad season and as far as I've seen there aren't any players suffering internationally for being here. Out of our two hottest commodities Cabaye looks like being made club captain and Ben Arfa keeps getting knacked. It's fair to say that like most of us none of the squad are probably sure what our true level is. If we stay up the most likely option I can see is that they stick around to try and have another season like 11/12 without the Europe excuse and with a (hopefully) lighter injury list. If we have another season like this one then we'll really be struggling to keep them. As always, we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 This thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Can't imagine any of the players are happy with how this season has panned out tbh. I think it's fair to assume there's also some disillusionment within the squad too and it's not that much of a jump to think a couple may be thinking of moving on. Nothing to base this on, just a hunch but it wouldn't be the first time ambitious players have left a struggling team for a better one. Exactly, people are going on like that's never ever happened. No they aren't, it's just that you are going on like it's a certainty, which it isn't We've got a lot of top class players IMO and I think it is a certainty that at least a couple will go, yes. It's happened before and we've done well enough in the transfer market to replace them. We'd just come off the back of one of the worse runs in our history and signed Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Sissoko, Haidara and Gouffran ffs If we stay up I think we'll spend again and will be a much stronger outfit next season than we were at the start of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Who is piling up to spend 25m+ on our best players btw? Because that is what it will take at least.... Acting like they can just pack up and leave when they feel like it Even if they do want to go they wont until we get a fee we are happy with. For this reason i'm extremely comfortable about the whole situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Before they signed, the likes of Sissoko and Gouffran would have spoken to our other French players about Pardew and what the club was like generally. Clearly they didn't get a negative message, so I don't think we've got a lot of unhappy bunnies itching to go. Next season will be the test. If the team continues to struggle at that point, then yes I can see some players wanting out. I haven't quite made my mind up about Pardew. He's made some mistakes, but at the same time I don't think the squad we had when we started the season was as good as some people are suggesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 This is the same Yohan Cabaye who has been more or less acting like an agent for us man. Absolute fabricated hysteria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think hes crap but I have a hard tie arguing with what rich said and all jokes and frivolity aside hope he can prove me wrong. Sceptical given current approaches though which must change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 He has to win next 2 home games to give himself breathing space for rest of the season. Lose v Fulham and the knifes will be getting sharpened from a lot of angles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think hes crap but I have a hard tie arguing with what rich said and all jokes and frivolity aside hope he can prove me wrong. Sceptical given current approaches though which must change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 He has to win next 2 home games to give himself breathing space for rest of the season. Lose v Fulham and the knifes will be getting sharpened from a lot of angles. Rightly so too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think hes crap but I have a hard tie arguing with what rich said and all jokes and frivolity aside hope he can prove me wrong. Sceptical given current approaches though which must change. He had to admit to his failings, if he can't do that then it's very unlikely he'll be able to rectify them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I would bet those saying we will sell players this summer, said the same thing before last summers window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 We had one good season, followed by one bad season and as far as I've seen there aren't any players suffering internationally for being here. Out of our two hottest commodities Cabaye looks like being made club captain and Ben Arfa keeps getting knacked. It's fair to say that like most of us none of the squad are probably sure what our true level is. If we stay up the most likely option I can see is that they stick around to try and have another season like 11/12 without the Europe excuse and with a (hopefully) lighter injury list. If we have another season like this one then we'll really be struggling to keep them. As always, we'll see. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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