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Also, don't understand our strategy when we have the ball. Even during a counter. We don't get the support needed. Too many players dropping back to give an option behind the ball rather than drawing opposition players and making space. Crosses are always from deep and rarely find a body in the box because we haven't got numbers in there. Man Utd are the classic example of generally having 4+ players in and around the box when a cross comes in: we always seem to rely on Cisse or whoever being a magician against 2/3 defenders. Similarly, when we lose the ball we don't press quick enough or in numbers. Too much pussyfooting. Everything is backing off and even then we don't pick up runners thereby giving the oppo the chance to pick out a pass into space or over the top. Basically shite.

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Didn't get close to putting in a tackle or block that whole move for their second goal.

 

Small time of the Everton fans to chant Demba Ba's name. Scouse mackems.

 

Karma will bite their arses when they lose Fellaini and Baines.

 

Man City buying Jack Rodwell for £19m was so lucky.

 

More so than us getting £35m for Carroll? Only £15m anyway according to the rags.

 

We didn't have HBA/Ba at the time though. Imagine if they had Yaya and Fellaini in the centre instead of Barry/Rodwell :laugh:

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:lol: Yous can have whatever opinion you like on us. My own opinion is calling us "long ball merchants" and "average" is incredibly petty and bitter, especially when the 2nd goal came about due to excellent passing and movement.

 

On the balance of chances in the game, a draw probably would've been fair, that can't really be denied.

 

Agreed, not sure about the draw bit. Think yous went a bit easy on us.

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:lol: Yous can have whatever opinion you like on us. My own opinion is calling us "long ball merchants" and "average" is incredibly petty and bitter, especially when the 2nd goal came about due to excellent passing and movement.

 

On the balance of chances in the game, a draw probably would've been fair, that can't really be denied.

 

I don't have any bad feelings towards Everton at all, but I was surprised how poor you were tonight. The gameplay seems to rely entirely on hitting Felliani with long passes and the odd set piece from Baines. Maybe it was just an off night, but I didn't see any reason to praise them except the result.

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:lol: Yous can have whatever opinion you like on us. My own opinion is calling us "long ball merchants" and "average" is incredibly petty and bitter, especially when the 2nd goal came about due to excellent passing and movement.

 

On the balance of chances in the game, a draw probably would've been fair, that can't really be denied.

 

Agreed, not sure about the draw bit. Think yous went a bit easy on us.

 

That's what got me so wound up watching it, it's like we just invited you on and I don't have a clue why. The Santon and Ameobi chances in particular in the 2nd half were as clear cut as they come; I'm very surprised you didn't score again.

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I think they mix it up quite well, they did play it up to Fellaini a fair bit but he's so good at bringing the ball down and others in to play, why wouldn't they? It's not like we've got many physical defenders that could have contained him.

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but the praise they've been getting isn't justified on the evidence of tonight IMO.

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:lol: Yous can have whatever opinion you like on us. My own opinion is calling us "long ball merchants" and "average" is incredibly petty and bitter, especially when the 2nd goal came about due to excellent passing and movement.

 

On the balance of chances in the game, a draw probably would've been fair, that can't really be denied.

i wouldn't call your lot long ball merchants and i agree with your assessment, i think shola should have had the pen though, tiote should have had a pen against him for the corner kick wrestle with naismith and howard could have conceded a pen for pushing cisse to  make space from a corner (it's amazing what you see watching a game on tele instead of being there)
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I think they mix it up quite well, they did play it up to Fellaini a fair bit but he's so good at bringing the ball down and others in to play, why wouldn't they? It's not like we've got many physical defenders that could have contained him.

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but the praise they've been getting isn't justified on the evidence of tonight IMO.

 

I thought they mixed it up well enough. Not a brilliant performance but a solid one, they were there for the taking defensively though and I think with a bit more of a Plan B, we'd have got something from the game.

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:lol: Yous can have whatever opinion you like on us. My own opinion is calling us "long ball merchants" and "average" is incredibly petty and bitter, especially when the 2nd goal came about due to excellent passing and movement.

 

On the balance of chances in the game, a draw probably would've been fair, that can't really be denied.

 

I don't have any bad feelings towards Everton at all, but I was surprised how poor you were tonight. The gameplay seems to rely entirely on hitting Felliani with long passes and the odd set piece from Baines. Maybe it was just an off night, but I didn't see any reason to praise them except the result.

 

See, I thought we kept it on the ground just as much as we played it long. Osman, Pienaar, Fellaini, Baines in particular had some great exchanging of passes, the 2nd goal being the prime example, and also very late on when we kept the ball pretty well. Did we also play it long? You bet your bottom dollar we did and why not when Fellaini and Jelavic did such a good job of holding it up?

 

I don't think we were great mind, so I agree with you on that point.

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I think they mix it up quite well, they did play it up to Fellaini a fair bit but he's so good at bringing the ball down and others in to play, why wouldn't they? It's not like we've got many physical defenders that could have contained him.

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but the praise they've been getting isn't justified on the evidence of tonight IMO.

 

I thought they mixed it up well enough. Not a brilliant performance but a solid one, they were there for the taking defensively though and I think with a bit more of a Plan B, we'd have got something from the game.

we were there for the taking aswell, hence a very open game.
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Do they have an overreliance on Fellaini?

 

Won 2 of the 3 games he was recently suspended for, and generally played very well against Chelsea in the other, don't think we deserved to get beat at all.

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I don't see Everton as a long ball side at all, but the confusion might arise from the fact they play a high percentage of aerial passes into Fellaini and Jelavic. They may be directed to someone's head (or for the chest-down which they probably use more than anyone) but they're usually delivered from fairly advanced positions already.

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I think they mix it up quite well, they did play it up to Fellaini a fair bit but he's so good at bringing the ball down and others in to play, why wouldn't they? It's not like we've got many physical defenders that could have contained him.

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but the praise they've been getting isn't justified on the evidence of tonight IMO.

 

I thought they mixed it up well enough. Not a brilliant performance but a solid one, they were there for the taking defensively though and I think with a bit more of a Plan B, we'd have got something from the game.

 

Maybe, IMO we played better on the deck than Everton and many people are criticising us for hoofing it too much. Obviously the result is what it is.

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I think they mix it up quite well, they did play it up to Fellaini a fair bit but he's so good at bringing the ball down and others in to play, why wouldn't they? It's not like we've got many physical defenders that could have contained him.

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but the praise they've been getting isn't justified on the evidence of tonight IMO.

 

I thought they mixed it up well enough. Not a brilliant performance but a solid one, they were there for the taking defensively though and I think with a bit more of a Plan B, we'd have got something from the game.

we were there for the taking aswell, hence a very open game.

 

Of course, no denying that, but we had lost all shape and organisation by 75 minutes. I think if we'd have been a bit smarter we could have been more potent up front while having a little extra protection at the back too. Our manager isn't much of a thinker in such situations though.

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:lol: Yous can have whatever opinion you like on us. My own opinion is calling us "long ball merchants" and "average" is incredibly petty and bitter, especially when the 2nd goal came about due to excellent passing and movement.

 

On the balance of chances in the game, a draw probably would've been fair, that can't really be denied.

 

I don't have any bad feelings towards Everton at all, but I was surprised how poor you were tonight. The gameplay seems to rely entirely on hitting Felliani with long passes and the odd set piece from Baines. Maybe it was just an off night, but I didn't see any reason to praise them except the result.

 

See, I thought we kept it on the ground just as much as we played it long. Osman, Pienaar, Fellaini, Baines in particular had some great exchanging of passes, the 2nd goal being the prime example, and also very late on when we kept the ball pretty well. Did we also play it long? You bet your bottom dollar we did and why not when Fellaini and Jelavic did such a good job of holding it up?

 

I don't think we were great mind, so I agree with you on that point.

 

I think you exploited your better players very well, and exposed our weaker areas effectively too. Pretty football or not, it was well done. And in all fairness there was some decent football on the counter as well.

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I think they mix it up quite well, they did play it up to Fellaini a fair bit but he's so good at bringing the ball down and others in to play, why wouldn't they? It's not like we've got many physical defenders that could have contained him.

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but the praise they've been getting isn't justified on the evidence of tonight IMO.

 

I thought they mixed it up well enough. Not a brilliant performance but a solid one, they were there for the taking defensively though and I think with a bit more of a Plan B, we'd have got something from the game.

 

Maybe, IMO we played better on the deck than Everton and many people are criticising us for hoofing it too much. Obviously the result is what it is.

 

Disagree with this, though I suppose I'm bound to. Lost count of the amount of long balls whacked down the middle in the hope of Ameobi nodding it on - not that I disagree with the tactic because my word, with our defending I'd have probably done the same.

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As a fan of a team that plays the long ball an awful lot, or at least did even more so until recently, I thought Everton played the long ball a lot. Almost all the time, unless there was a counter attack on, in fact. The difference being that they have they players to make it work. We did too when we had Carroll. Now we don't, so we should do it about once in every 20 times.

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Krul- 7.5 Saved us from a drubbing, made some great saves. First goal he couldn't have done anything with.

Perch- 5 Looks completely lost as RB despite it being his supposed natural position. Think he's a CDM or nothing now

Williamson- 3 Abomination of a centre half scares me every time we're getting attacked at

Coloccini- 5 Looking lost lately, shadow of last season

Santon-6 Attacked well but bit suspect defensively. Should have squared that shot

Tiote-4 Annoyed me so much, loses the ball easily, stupidly goes into tackles

Anita-8 Our best player for me today. He's everywhere and has a brilliant eye for the pass

Marveaux- 7 Only creative outlet, says a lot about how much we're missing HBA and Cabaye

Shola- 5 Won a few headers, can't recall anything else bar being taken out by the ref.

Cisse 6 Was electric first half hour and was chuffed for him getting goal but he's not a winger in any sense and should go straight back in the middle from now on

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I think they mix it up quite well, they did play it up to Fellaini a fair bit but he's so good at bringing the ball down and others in to play, why wouldn't they? It's not like we've got many physical defenders that could have contained him.

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but the praise they've been getting isn't justified on the evidence of tonight IMO.

 

I thought they mixed it up well enough. Not a brilliant performance but a solid one, they were there for the taking defensively though and I think with a bit more of a Plan B, we'd have got something from the game.

 

Maybe, IMO we played better on the deck than Everton and many people are criticising us for hoofing it too much. Obviously the result is what it is.

 

I think we actually played it shorter than they did for the majority of the match but that's not really relevant to how they play overall, they do play to their strengths but aren't exclusively one style or another, I think there's a decent balance there.

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Krul- 7.5 Saved us from a drubbing, made some great saves. First goal he couldn't have done anything with.

Perch- 5 Looks completely lost as RB despite it being his supposed natural position. Think he's a CDM or nothing now

Williamson- 3 Abomination of a centre half scares me every time we're getting attacked at

Coloccini- 5 Looking lost lately, shadow of last season

Santon-6 Attacked well but bit suspect defensively. Should have squared that shot

Tiote-4 Annoyed me so much, loses the ball easily, stupidly goes into tackles

Anita-8 Our best player for me today. He's everywhere and has a brilliant eye for the pass

Marveaux- 7 Only creative outlet, says a lot about how much we're missing HBA and Cabaye

Shola- 5 Won a few headers, can't recall anything else bar being taken out by the ref.

Cisse 6 Was electric first half hour and was chuffed for him getting goal but he's not a winger in any sense and should go straight back in the middle from now on

 

Williamson wasn't worse than Tiote, and that's really saying something as well.

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Santon-6 Attacked well but bit suspect defensively. Should have squared that shot

 

 

Did he? He brings the ball forward as well as any full back in the league but once in the final third he's almost always crap. Not blaming him in particular mind, think it's more a consequence of how he's been utilised and how the rest of the side responds to his marauding runs.

 

One example would be the 2nd half where he went on a great run cutting inside, basically opening up the entire left hand channel. Yet Obertan just stood there gormlessly - he should've been bombing down the left which would help Santon double-fold by giving him an extra attacking passing option and would've dragged an Everton defender out of space to mark Obertan. These are the kind of basics our team consistently fails at doing.

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What Everton have is a brilliant mix of variety. They can go long, wide, through the middle, and they have the players to do so. They can hit you on the break with pace, or break you down through nice combination play or the physical attributes from the lads up front.

 

They've got a fantastic left side in Baines and Pienaar and two great target men in Fellaini and Jelavic  Osman is a very decent little player, matched with clever play from Neville.

 

They're a cracking side imo.

 

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What Everton have is a brilliant mix of variety. They can go long, wide, through the middle, and they have the players to do so. They can hit you on the break with pace, or break you down through nice combination play or the physical attributes from the lads up front.

 

They've got a fantastic left side in Baines and Pienaar and two great target men in Fellaini and Jelavic  Osman is a very decent little player, matched with clever play from Neville.

 

They're a cracking side imo.

 

 

I think we have cracking players too, just Moyes makes better use of the ones at his disposal.

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