Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 This has been something that has been on my mind for a while. How does our backroom staff compare to that of the rest of the Premier League? If anything to me we seem to be a bit light on the coaching front. By my counts for the first team we seem to have Stone, Woodman and Carver doing the majority of the work. Apart from being Ashley's public arse licker, is Beardsley now more involved with the youngsters or does he do first team work? It just seems to me a lot of clubs these days tend to have a lot of coaches that all specialise in different areas. Whereas we have such a small bunch do we actually do this? We know this season we've struggled in matches to adapt to different situations. As I mentioned on here earlier on, we go and attack at Old Trafford and The Emirates and our defending is embarrassing. We go to Norwich yesterday and aim for defensive solidarity yet our attacking play suffers because of this. There must be some coaches out there that we could hire to help improve things? Clive Allen apparently done a good job of the attacking coaching at Spurs and is out of work etc. Or is this another case of Ashley's penny pinching that he won't let Pardew add to his staff? Maybe he had his fingers burnt by having to pay off all of Allardyce's henchmen back in the day? As of course he wouldn't let Hughton replace Calderwood and him and Keegan did not seem to have a large number of backroom staff too. I'm not privy to club information so don't really know how does what on the training pitch so I will more than likely be wrong. Then on the scouting front we have Carr and Norman Wooster. Not sure if we have anybody else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 We need some fresh ideas and I certainly think we don't have enough back room staff. Even worse, they all seem like yes men to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If we´re not interesting in replacing Pardew. Can we at least look at improve this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm interested to see what the likes of Guv, Ash and OCK say about this as they'll know a lot more about coaching than me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Obviously we don't know what happens behind the scenes, but looks very much like 'jobs for the boys'. Maybe a couple of specialised coaches for attacking play may bring some new ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 We need some fresh ideas and I certainly think we don't have enough back room staff. Even worse, they all seem like yes men to me. This. We must have one of the smallest cohorts of coaching staff in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 We definitely need someone who can ensure that the squad starts next season fully fit and match sharp. Last season we did, got off to a great start and never looked back, this season was the opposite and I think it is a huge reason for where we find ourselves right now, not to mention the ridiculous number of injuries we seem to get. There's loads of easy points on offer at the start of a season for a team with fully fit players to take from an opposition whose aren't, it's baffling that any manager wouldn't want to take advantage of that, especially one who's seen the benefit of it like we did last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Fitness certainly does seem to be an issue like. Exactly like it was under Allardyce despite what his propaganda machine would like to tell you. I remember when Keegan came in and he said he'd never saw such an unfit bunch of players before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Wonder if Ashley is wary after having to pay for Allardyce's minions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think the hostile situation Pardew initially walked into, coupled with the ongoing Cockney mafia accusations, probably led him into hiring local guys in an attempt to buy some popularity and appease the masses. Nowt against Carver, Stone or Beardsley - all great guys - but I think Pardew could have dealt himself a stronger hand had circumstances been different. I'd like to see more pugnacity in the dugout and I'd also like a bit more pugnacity on the pitch too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Obviously we don't know what happens behind the scenes, but looks very much like 'jobs for the boys'. Maybe a couple of specialised coaches for attacking play may bring some new ideas. Woodman perhaps, but he seems to be doing okay with Krul but neither Carver or Stone had worked with Pardew previously and are hardly mates with MA and DL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Wasn't Stone already there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 as funny as some of the "backroom battles" stuff on NUFC TV is, watching it creates the impression that they're just 3 Terry Mac's, there for morale and to have a laugh. Carver's obviously had a canny coaching career and isn't as bad as the other two. However everything appears to be a joke with Woodman. Given that Krul's distribution is still worse than useless, I'd love to know what he does in training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Wasn't Stone already there? Actually yes, he was brought in under Hughton. Who I doubt was mates with Hughton. I don't think we have enough staff working with the first team but I certainly don't think it's 'jobs for the boys' either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 It's odd, as at Academy level they're very keen on recruiting the best coaches possible to cover all areas needed Chris Terpcou - GKs Dave Watson - Defensive Training Kevin Richardson - Midfield Peter Beardsley - Forwards Peter Beardsley also does Scouting/Recruitment work for the Academy and Development Teams, and Willie Donachie does coaching with Academy groups too. They're even talking about expanding that further and having a Full Back coach, Centerback coach, CM coach, etc. I get the impression that's what they want with the first team too, but I couldn't say if this was the case as I've not seen it first hand. There have been reports of certain coaches working with certain players, so it probably is the case (I know it's the 'in thing' at the moment in regards to future thinking within football coaching). Andy Woodman - GKs Alan Pardew - Defenders Steve Stone - Midfield John Carver - Forwards Experience wise Steve Stone only has a few years coaching, obviously he has plenty as a professional footballer. Carver has worked in various positions and Woodman has many years of GK coaching behind him (and has worked with Alan Pardew before). I do agree that we have a pretty small backroom staff, but I think the Sam Allardyce experience has dictated that (after the massive payoff when he was fired). In regards to our fitness coaches most of them are local lads that were kept on after placement from NORTHUMBRIA Uni (there's sort of an unofficial partnership between the Uni and the Academy probably due to them being on each other's doorstep). Simon Tweddle - was Academy Fitness coach but was promoted to first team has a few year's experience now. From NORTHUMBRIA Uni. Rich Akenhead - Academy Fitness Coach. From NORTHUMBRIA Uni. Mackem. Jack Ade - Worked for various clubs as Academy Fitness Coach. So there's not much experience in the fitness department, but they're all young lads with a Sports Science degree. So their theory is probably outstanding, just need experience putting it into practice I guess. Personally, I think the 'lack of fitness' excuse is weak and an easy cop out. However, you have to remember we could have the greatest coaches within football but if the mandate is to play a certain type of football that's what they have to coach around regardless of how they think they game should be played. This filters down to the Academy too, as recruitment and training plans will be designed around bringing players up into the first team that can play the style needed straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Don't you now have to have x amount of coaches if you want to get the highest academy grading? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Arsenal have 14 coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Oh and an interesting post too OCK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Good post but Northumberland doesn't have a university, I think there might be a college in Ashington. Obviously we all know you meant Northumbria but I'm a pedantic cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Arsenal have 14 coaches. And Wenger doesn't listen to any of them. However, they are very similar in what they coach and how they coach it and they're all geared towards producing 1 style of football. They do it so each coach can oversee a smaller group of players and provide more feedback. Pretty much 'class size/teacher' type of deal. They work a lot on passing, movement and movement of the football '3 second averages' over the course of the training session is what they aim for (which again is why they have all those coaches keeping an eye on their group so they can see if a player is retaining the ball longer than 3 seconds or not). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Arsenal have 14 coaches. And Wenger doesn't listen to any of them. However, they are very similar in what they coach and how they coach it and they're all geared towards producing 1 style of football. They do it so each coach can oversee a smaller group of players and provide more feedback. Pretty much 'class size/teacher' type of deal. They work a lot on passing, movement and movement of the football '3 second averages' over the course of the training session is what they aim for (which again is why they have all those coaches keeping an eye on their group so they can see if a player is retaining the ball longer than 3 seconds or not). Interesting, didn't know that. NO way on earth our coaching is upto scratch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Both Carver and Pardew were defenders right? We could do with adding another attacking coach. Apparently we could do with someone that understands creating and implementing tactics, especially being able to adapt tactics during a game. I'd disagree like the others that it is jobs for the boys though, a wise PR move maybe also as mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Arsenal have 14 coaches. And Wenger doesn't listen to any of them. However, they are very similar in what they coach and how they coach it and they're all geared towards producing 1 style of football. They do it so each coach can oversee a smaller group of players and provide more feedback. Pretty much 'class size/teacher' type of deal. They work a lot on passing, movement and movement of the football '3 second averages' over the course of the training session is what they aim for (which again is why they have all those coaches keeping an eye on their group so they can see if a player is retaining the ball longer than 3 seconds or not). Interesting, didn't know that. NO way on earth our coaching is upto scratch. "They only know one way to play." "The Arsenal way" and all that bollocks. That's why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Arsenal have 14 coaches. And Wenger doesn't listen to any of them. However, they are very similar in what they coach and how they coach it and they're all geared towards producing 1 style of football. They do it so each coach can oversee a smaller group of players and provide more feedback. Pretty much 'class size/teacher' type of deal. They work a lot on passing, movement and movement of the football '3 second averages' over the course of the training session is what they aim for (which again is why they have all those coaches keeping an eye on their group so they can see if a player is retaining the ball longer than 3 seconds or not). Interesting, didn't know that. NO way on earth our coaching is upto scratch. "They only know one way to play." "The Arsenal way" and all that bollocks. That's why. Think we need a proper 1st team coach in the oldskool style who oversees all the regimes and writes the season programme. I'd persoanlly like a defence coach a Bould or Adam type who can really drill a defence and make it play as a unit A really clever attack coach (ideally a former mid international player) - Ginola or that type who works primarily with the attack unit and runs drills and feasability studies with reg to the opp and our movement and match intelligence with the ball. There is normally a coach in Germany for instance who only studies the next opp and produces a dossier - Steve Clarke used to do this for Mourinho who used to do it for SBR. I'd have a psychology coach who is with the team on matchdays and can take individual discussions as and when with players. Think our coaching is too general and relies too much on the players to work stuff out during the game..That's why it often looks disjointed or too rigid and relies on individual brilliance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 The analysts will be doing the dossiers these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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