Guest reefatoon Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 If he does go, I would like to see a midfielder brought in with a bit of height and presence. If we can find another player in the style/build of Hamann, then that would suit me down to the ground. He had a bit of everything and covered the whole pitch. He was just as good going forward as he was sitting deep. Was a quality player for us for just that one year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 To add context to my point, Sissoko is a player who's only exceptional quality is his ability to drive directly at goal when picking up the ball on the counter attack. Thus, he is only one of our better players IF we are playing in a style set up wholly around his ability to be the ball carrier on the counter attack. For this, he needs to play as a #10, otherwise he won't be collecting the ball in areas he can be effective. So, IF we are playing a counter attacking style with Sissoko as the #10, then yes, he will be one of our better players in that system. But he isn't good enough creatively to be a #10 when we are dominating games, he's an absolute liability defensively so cannot play as a CM (Playing here effectively nullifies the only thing that makes him good anyway), and he's at best reasonable as a right midfielder. Based on that, for £18 million, I'd sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Our record for reinvestment is soooooooooooooo bad i'm astonished people want rid of anyone other than the usual Doofi, i.e. Obertan, Gouf, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Bad players end up at worse clubs and for low fees. That's generally the best indicator of a player's value no matter how much we debate it here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 No way is Sissoko a #10. Useful on the right hand of midfield. Probably best on the right side of a midfield 3 where he can start deep but make big runs forward towards the channel and basically cover the RB with lateral defensive movement/positioning. He's great on the counter yes but essentially he's good at transitioning defensive positions into attacking situations. You don't have to play in a counter attacking style to do that, it's a generally useful attribute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Our record for reinvestment is soooooooooooooo bad i'm astonished people want rid of anyone other than the usual Doofi, i.e. Obertan, Gouf, etc. I'll use the word doofi, thanks for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 In all his time I don't think he's benefited from playing in different positions and taking on so many different roles. It's easy to forget his age, and this may have actually stunted his development as a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Bad players end up at worse clubs and for low fees. That's generally the best indicator of a player's value no matter how much we debate it here. True. There's a few factors though. Age. Nationality. Experience in a league. Desperateness of parties involved. But aye, it's a strong indicator especially over a few transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Our record for reinvestment is soooooooooooooo bad i'm astonished people want rid of anyone other than the usual Doofi, i.e. Obertan, Gouf, etc. I'll use the word doofi, thanks for that. Pleasure's mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 People advocating selling one of our better players Aye, because he wasn't always good playing for Pardew and Carver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 It's the timing mainly that makes it a bad sale. Like you say, he was poor recently but that was under Pardew and Carver with the whole club falling apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 People quickly forget he was easily amongst our best performers for the first half of last season. After we somehow resisted cashing in during January he was pants. Maybe because he wanted to go, who knows. But I wouldn't sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 The only scenario where we would willingly sell him is if he's unsettled and wants to go. Otherwise all the euphoria of signing Wijnaldum for £14.5m is premature if he is only coming in so we can cash in on Sissoko. Sell Obertan or Colback instead. We have got plenty of central midfielders, we aren't too flush with goal scoring midfielders who can operate on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 The only scenario where we would willingly sell him is if he's unsettled and wants to go. Otherwise all the euphoria of signing Wijnaldum for £14.5m is premature if he is only coming in so we can cash in on Sissoko. Sell Obertan or Colback instead. We have got plenty of central midfielders, we aren't too flush with goal scoring midfielders who can operate on the right. What do you class as a goal scoring midfielder? That's twice you've referred to him as that. He got 4 last year, hardly prolific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 People quickly forget he was easily amongst our best performers for the first half of last season. After we somehow resisted cashing in during January he was pants. Maybe because he wanted to go, who knows. But I wouldn't sell him. Same feelings really, it might not be a disaster to sell him if we bring in the right players, but I wouldn't do it if it was up to me. Everyone bar the real dross should get a fresh start this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 People thinking he's one of our better players TCD gets the dog's abuse, but mozy is on that level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Can't see how he can be anything other than one of our better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 The only scenario where we would willingly sell him is if he's unsettled and wants to go. Otherwise all the euphoria of signing Wijnaldum for £14.5m is premature if he is only coming in so we can cash in on Sissoko. Sell Obertan or Colback instead. We have got plenty of central midfielders, we aren't too flush with goal scoring midfielders who can operate on the right. What do you class as a goal scoring midfielder? That's twice you've referred to him as that. He got 4 last year, hardly prolific. Hardly easy to score goals from midfield when you are apart of a team which hardly gets into the box. I'd hazard a guess that Frank Lampard in his prime would have some struggles recreating his usual totals under Pardew and Carver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 The only scenario where we would willingly sell him is if he's unsettled and wants to go. Otherwise all the euphoria of signing Wijnaldum for £14.5m is premature if he is only coming in so we can cash in on Sissoko. Sell Obertan or Colback instead. We have got plenty of central midfielders, we aren't too flush with goal scoring midfielders who can operate on the right. What do you class as a goal scoring midfielder? That's twice you've referred to him as that. He got 4 last year, hardly prolific. Hardly easy to score goals from midfield when you are apart of a team which hardly gets into the box. I'd hazard a guess that Frank Lampard in his prime would have some struggles recreating his usual totals under Pardew and Carver. Doesnt look at though he scored many in France either mind. 3 in 55 in his last two seasons there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Not saying he is mind, just saying that we don't really know based on his time here and when ever i watched him in Toulouse while he made runs from midfield i wouldn't exactly say he played extremely close to goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 18m? Holy fuck man, take some bolt cutters to the negotiations just in case they change their mind so we can cut the briefcase off their arm anything over 10m and we're fucking stealing from someone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Can't see how he can be anything other than one of our better players. Yet you'll see so many on here dismissing his attributes and insisting we should sell and improve the bank balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Can't see how he can be anything other than one of our better players. Yet you'll see so many on here dismissing his attributes and insisting we should sell and improve the bank balance. I mean, I don't love him in the same as Ben Arfa or anything, but he clearly has some good attributes and can perform well. Would be a shame to see him go at this point in particular, when things might be looking up slightly on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 18m? Holy fuck man, take some bolt cutters to the negotiations just in case they change their mind so we can cut the briefcase off their arm anything over 10m and we're fucking stealing from someone Anything over 10 million? We've just paid over 10m for two blokes that did well in Belgium, one of whom doesn't know what age he is. Sissoko is clearly worth at least 15m, 18m seems reasonable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 18m? Holy fuck man, take some bolt cutters to the negotiations just in case they change their mind so we can cut the briefcase off their arm anything over 10m and we're fucking stealing from someone Anything over 10 million? We've just paid over 10m for two blokes that did well in Belgium, one of whom doesn't know what age he is. Sissoko is clearly worth at least 15m, 18m seems reasonable Aye, if you've not seen him play he's worth a fucking fortune. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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