Zero Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Mick, how can you defend the third goal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 @ ronaldo You do realise Taylor isn't very good right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He gave up I just hope the shame he should feel will spark a reaction from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 It was standard colo, he can't function against strong, mobile strikers. Mbiwa is looking more and more the colo replacement that never was. Both of our current centre halves would benefit from playing alongside a tall, dominant partner. We're crying out for someone like Caulker, think he would've been a great signing, or any of liverpool's 14 centrebacks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 see a tactician might have realised what was going to happen in advance and done something to counter it such as play all three CB's with 2 pushing on the strikers and 1 sweeping up...we have 2 very competent sweeper type players who struggle with big strikers yet our manager thinks the best way to counter this is to keep doing the same thing time after time i'm not a fan of 3/5 at the back in the PL but there are times when it's worth considering if you don't have the personnel to cope playing 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I know he was withdrawn, but he wasn't our worst centreback tonight. Colo looked scared to even approach Lukaku. It was an embarrassing performance from him. Between him and Krul, the third goal (the one that killed the game and rendered our obligatory second half surge meaningless) was some of the worst defending I have ever seen in our shirt. Although Mbiwa's backing off for the second was ridiculous, it least it required the opposing player to show skill to score. Give over. About what? Coloccini was the worst player on the pitch in the first half. He wasnt, Santon and Mbiwa were both worse than Coloccini. To be fair all 3 failed to tackle header or close down. This week only Debuchy could claim to have attempted to defend. I think the only reason Pardew put HBA on the left was to give Debuchy a break but that failed massively as it appeared Sissoko had a strop on about being wide right or had the flu as he seemed completely disinterested all game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Colo didn't even attempt to win a header for goals 2 and 3. Lukaku is a big bloke but come on man at least have a go. Surely our tactic wasn't let the long ball bounce over to Krul? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Former rock of a CB, captain of his club in his early 20's, confident as f***, budding international player who was being rated by everyone watching him...he comes here and suddenly becomes "s***" - sorry, a young player can absolutely get ruined when he's being led and trained by an absolute impostor of a manager we've got. He was playing under Rene Girard, a top top footballing man and now he's under the expert guidance of Alan f***ing s*** Pardew. Don't see what this has to do with running away from the ball and wasting possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I know he was withdrawn, but he wasn't our worst centreback tonight. Colo looked scared to even approach Lukaku. It was an embarrassing performance from him. Between him and Krul, the third goal (the one that killed the game and rendered our obligatory second half surge meaningless) was some of the worst defending I have ever seen in our shirt. Although Mbiwa's backing off for the second was ridiculous, it least it required the opposing player to show skill to score. Give over. About what? Coloccini was the worst player on the pitch in the first half. He wasnt, Santon and Mbiwa were both worse than Coloccini. TBH, I felt Colo had his worst game for us in a long long time. Didn't have his head in the game and he captains the side as well as organizes that defence. When he doesn't do hius job, the rest don't at the back, so for me he was also the worst player last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Agree with fel/Ronaldo/Baba completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Lukaku has chosen to bully Colo for the last two seasons and he was terrible. Particularly for the 3rd goal. It's all problems we know about Colo. If it gets too physical Colo might break and break he did. With Mapou - it's just basic defending that's defeated him. Terrible positionally for every goal, not pre-empting the danger for every goal, running away from danger for every goal. Mapou was definitely the worst. For the first Colo really has to go near post as Santon's been terrible.. when Colo goes near post (as he should) Mapou needs to tuck in and pick up Lukaku. It all happened so fast with Santon's error making our defence have to shift but it's a problem that continued in the match - Mbiwa not reading the situation/running away from danger. For the second Mapou needlessly looses possession then runs away from Barkley who ends up scoring. WTF? For the third he decides to stop defending. By the time the ball bounces (twice) it's actually over on his side of defence as the ball has curled to its right but he's long since run away from the danger. The most worrying part is that he must've seen Colo tussling and struggling to deal with Lukaku but he's decided to not go and engage the ball and help out his team mate anyway. I thought positioning and reding the game where meant to be his stengths? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This was nothing new from Colo. I've said time and time again. His biggest problem yesterday was not organising that defence. Needs to tell Santon to stick closely to him. Mapou and Debuchy to do the same. You see Santon running off.. what are you doing? Tell him to come back and help you out, stay compact. But no he deals with Lukaku 1 one 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He looks absolute horse shit to me, totally clueless and does not inspire confidence at the back, happy to play Williamson next game and that says it all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Needs a season in the Championship imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He's not settling in well into the least organised, most disoriented excuse of a defence in the whole of Europe. A year and a half ago that's Hollands No. 1, an Italian international, an Argentine international, France's starting RB at the Euro's and a 22-year old captain of the French champions (and regular in France's squad). It's not just him. It's the team. The players leave eachother to themselves. Nobody has any idea what to do, neither going forward nor defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If the players think Pardew's tactics are to blame why aren't they going above his head? They either don't give a f*** or accept blame themselves. Far too many players here for the money, that's a big part of the problem. MYM can be a good player in the PL but alongside a weak, slow, non-assertive excuse for a captain he's being fed to the f***ing wolves. I do love Colo for how good he's been for us but what chance does a young CB have of learning the English game alongside someone who is (from now on) always going to be exposed by it? That's a load of bullock about Coloccini. It would be, wouldn't it? It means we can't apportion as much blame to Pardew. Great post by Ronaldo, exactly right. Colo seems to becoming a bigger and bigger problem and he's our captain! He's the one leading our team yet he's the one making the crucial mistakes, and yanga isn't fault free but he's made to look even worse alongside Colo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 No excuse at all from the 2 centre backs yesterday you dont see lads in league 2 defending like that especially the third goal its shocking. Coloccini and mapou are as weak as piss easily bullied and should never play together. You need a no nonsense type defender to play alongside one if these a colin hendry type figure. Coloccini should also never captain us again he's never a leader not in a million years how can he inspire the team if hes a coward frightened of the big boy up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Neville's analysis off our defence last night was worrying. No leadership, no power and too far apart. I feel for the lad in some ways but you just can't do what he did last night. It was so strange after his recent performances, especially the shift he put in against Benteke. If we had another captain, I'd be dropping Colo, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Neville's analysis off our defence last night was worrying. No leadership, no power and too far apart. I feel for the lad in some ways but you just can't do what he did last night. It was so strange after his recent performances, especially the shift he put in against Benteke. If we had another captain, I'd be dropping Colo, personally. Ben Arfa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Neville's analysis off our defence last night was worrying. No leadership, no power and too far apart. I feel for the lad in some ways but you just can't do what he did last night. It was so strange after his recent performances, especially the shift he put in against Benteke. If we had another captain, I'd be dropping Colo, personally. Ben Arfa? Got hauled off marra I mean for me, Ben Arfa would be my choice for captain, he leads by example and he isn't afraid to tell people what to do, he's always pointing where people should pass to etc. Back to Mapou, GNev's analysis was quite alarming, you can't run away from danger. It's basic, basic stuff here. His aimless long punt gifting them possession was also diabolical, but then again nobody was moving or showing for the ball so what can you do? Serious problems all over the pitch now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 MYM suffered from serious indecision. That's terrible in any position but at CB it's fatal. A lot of his indecision though was down to having no faith in Colo to do his bit. So MYM didn't know whether to stick or twist half the time. Hope he learns from this and just does what he ought to do and if his partner f**ks up then he can see if the manager has the balls to haul him off instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 MYM is a kid and needs some direction when he's in a new league with football played at a different pace/aggression. How many Tim Howard punts did he have to deal with in Ligue 1? Ronaldo's point about Colo is spot on. It's Colo's job to lead the line, marshall his troops and take MYM under his wing. Wish the Douglas deal was completed and at least we'd have the option of protecting MYM a bit because there's a real danger here that he'll collapse under the criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The best piece of analysis was that positionally, we defend like a team in the top 4, at home. Fullbacks so far up the field with our CB's defending 1vs1. With Colo slow and weak with MYM the positional sense of Stevie Wonder. I thought we would go there be tight and compact looking to hit them on the counter. Their first goal started with Santon further up the pitch than Mirralles. Once more - our passing is slow and aimless - no purpose. So our fullbacks are pushed forward for no reason, we didn't do anything positive going forward in the first half. That's what happens with that midfield 3 I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The best piece of analysis was that positionally, we defend like a team in the top 4, at home. Fullbacks so far up the field with our CB's defending 1vs1. With Colo slow and weak with MYM the positional sense of Stevie Wonder. I thought we would go there be tight and compact looking to hit them on the counter. Their first goal started with Santon further up the pitch than Mirralles. Once more - our passing is slow and aimless - no purpose. So our fullbacks are pushed forward for no reason, we didn't do anything positive going forward in the first half. That's what happens with that midfield 3 I guess. Yeah. It was alarming to see it put like that, fantastic analysis though. The confusing thing is, I'm sure we weren't organised that way against Villa, we looked far more compact, disciplined and focused. Perhaps they were just crap, Pardew's tried to change it a bit or the players are tactically poor. The gap between our holding midfielders and defenders was crap as well, so much so that they couldn't compensate for us playing so far apart. Space galore for Everton's attackers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 You just know these 2 weak cowards are going to be destroyed by Altidore its a certainty id play Williamson and taylor against the mackems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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