Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa joins AS Roma then Lyon

[SiLvOR]

Neville's analysis off our defence last night was worrying. No leadership, no power and too far apart. I feel for the lad in some ways but you just can't do what he did last night. It was so strange after his recent performances, especially the shift he put in against Benteke. If we had another captain, I'd be dropping Colo, personally.

 

Ben Arfa?

 

Got hauled off marra

 

I mean for me, Ben Arfa would be my choice for captain, he leads by example and he isn't afraid to tell people what to do, he's always pointing where people should pass to etc.

 

Back to Mapou, GNev's analysis was quite alarming, you can't run away from danger. It's basic, basic stuff here. His aimless long punt gifting them possession was also diabolical, but then again nobody was moving or showing for the ball so what can you do?

 

Serious problems all over the pitch now.

[Lotus]

MYM suffered from serious indecision. That's terrible in any position but at CB it's fatal. A lot of his indecision though was down to having no faith in Colo to do his bit. So MYM didn't know whether to stick or twist half the time.

Hope he learns from this and just does what he ought to do and if his partner f**ks up then he can see if the manager has the balls to haul him off instead.

[Minhosa]

MYM is a kid and needs some direction when he's in a new league with football played at a different pace/aggression.

 

How many Tim Howard punts did he have to deal with in Ligue 1?

 

Ronaldo's point about Colo is spot on. It's Colo's job to lead the line, marshall his troops and take MYM under his wing.

 

Wish the Douglas deal was completed and at least we'd have the option of protecting MYM a bit because there's a real danger here that he'll collapse under the criticism.

[The College Dropout]

The best piece of analysis was that positionally, we defend like a team in the top 4, at home.

 

Fullbacks so far up the field with our CB's defending 1vs1. With Colo slow and weak with MYM the positional sense of Stevie Wonder.

 

I thought we would go there be tight and compact looking to hit them on the counter. Their first goal started with Santon further up the pitch than Mirralles. 

 

Once more - our passing is slow and aimless - no purpose. So our fullbacks are pushed forward for no reason, we didn't do anything positive going forward in the first half. That's what happens with that midfield 3 I guess.

[Gallowgate Toon]

The best piece of analysis was that positionally, we defend like a team in the top 4, at home.

 

Fullbacks so far up the field with our CB's defending 1vs1. With Colo slow and weak with MYM the positional sense of Stevie Wonder.

 

I thought we would go there be tight and compact looking to hit them on the counter. Their first goal started with Santon further up the pitch than Mirralles. 

 

Once more - our passing is slow and aimless - no purpose. So our fullbacks are pushed forward for no reason, we didn't do anything positive going forward in the first half. That's what happens with that midfield 3 I guess.

 

Yeah. It was alarming to see it put like that, fantastic analysis though. The confusing thing is, I'm sure we weren't organised that way against Villa, we looked far more compact, disciplined and focused. Perhaps they were just crap, Pardew's tried to change it a bit or the players are tactically poor.

 

The gap between our holding midfielders and defenders was crap as well, so much so that they couldn't compensate for us playing so far apart. Space galore for Everton's attackers.

[geordiedean]

You just know these 2 weak cowards are going to be destroyed by Altidore its a certainty id play Williamson and taylor against the mackems

[Gallowgate Toon]

Neville's analysis off our defence last night was worrying. No leadership, no power and too far apart. I feel for the lad in some ways but you just can't do what he did last night. It was so strange after his recent performances, especially the shift he put in against Benteke. If we had another captain, I'd be dropping Colo, personally.

 

Ben Arfa?

 

A few games ago, I'd have agreed with you but I think Hatem's been off since then, I thought his attitude stunk against Hull. It's all well and good directing attacking play but I think he's been very poor at doing some basic defensive tasks of late. I'm worried he's been given so much responsibility that he's lost the teamwork ethic he seemed to learn in 2011/2012, he was really working in every game then.

[Dave]

You just know these 2 weak cowards are going to be destroyed by Altidore its a certainty id play Williamson and taylor against the mackems

 

Calm down.

[The College Dropout]

The best piece of analysis was that positionally, we defend like a team in the top 4, at home.

 

Fullbacks so far up the field with our CB's defending 1vs1. With Colo slow and weak with MYM the positional sense of Stevie Wonder.

 

I thought we would go there be tight and compact looking to hit them on the counter. Their first goal started with Santon further up the pitch than Mirralles. 

 

Once more - our passing is slow and aimless - no purpose. So our fullbacks are pushed forward for no reason, we didn't do anything positive going forward in the first half. That's what happens with that midfield 3 I guess.

 

Yeah. It was alarming to see it put like that, fantastic analysis though. The confusing thing is, I'm sure we weren't organised that way against Villa, we looked far more compact, disciplined and focused. Perhaps they were just crap, Pardew's tried to change it a bit or the players are tactically poor.

 

The gap between our holding midfielders and defenders was crap as well, so much so that they couldn't compensate for us playing so far apart. Space galore for Everton's attackers.

 

Yep... gap between the whole team is just too big. Between defence and midfield, midfield and attack. Like someone said we play in separate compartments - defence - midfield - attack rather than one unit. We had two sitting in midfield but 1 pass down the middle takes them both out the game and then they are on to our defence.

[The College Dropout]

Neville's analysis off our defence last night was worrying. No leadership, no power and too far apart. I feel for the lad in some ways but you just can't do what he did last night. It was so strange after his recent performances, especially the shift he put in against Benteke. If we had another captain, I'd be dropping Colo, personally.

 

Ben Arfa?

 

A few games ago, I'd have agreed with you but I think Hatem's been off since then, I thought his attitude stunk against Hull. It's all well and good directing attacking play but I think he's been very poor at doing some basic defensive tasks of late. I'm worried he's been given so much responsibility that he's lost the teamwork ethic he seemed to learn in 2011/2012, he was really working in every game then.

 

Proper #10's seem to be back in. Should play that AMC role. With his injury past I don't think he should be running all over the gaff. RVP's injuries subsided when he did less running.

 

If that fails then he'll need to be more disciplined.. at RW. Also think his fullback on our team should just focus on defending. He and Santon on the left where as useless as you might expect defensively.

[Mole_Toonfan]

People are overreacting too much.... the midfield and attack we went in for Villa is fine, chopping and changing it is stupid.

 

Also dropping Colo is stupid, remember what happened last time Yanga-Mbiwa and Taylor got together? Even when Colo is playing bad he still makes others around him better ( most of the time)

 

Ben Arfa is not a 10 and he is not a captain, keep the front 6 as it was against Villa maybe Gouffran instead of Cisse but that is it.

 

Make changes at the back where necessary but leave the front 6 alone, its fine doesn't need mucked about with.

 

 

[Kanj]

- Our fullbacks need to stay at home the next few matches, no more venturing up-field until we solidify ourselves at the back.

- If we change our back 4 it should be MYM - Willi - Colo - Dummett --> its absolutely essential we continue to let MYM develop into this league, even if he has to play at a back position before getting the confidence to play centrally // with a better partner to suit his skill set.

[alexf]

The best piece of analysis was that positionally, we defend like a team in the top 4, at home.

 

Fullbacks so far up the field with our CB's defending 1vs1. With Colo slow and weak with MYM the positional sense of Stevie Wonder.

 

I thought we would go there be tight and compact looking to hit them on the counter. Their first goal started with Santon further up the pitch than Mirralles. 

 

Once more - our passing is slow and aimless - no purpose. So our fullbacks are pushed forward for no reason, we didn't do anything positive going forward in the first half. That's what happens with that midfield 3 I guess.

 

Yeah. It was alarming to see it put like that, fantastic analysis though. The confusing thing is, I'm sure we weren't organised that way against Villa, we looked far more compact, disciplined and focused. Perhaps they were just crap, Pardew's tried to change it a bit or the players are tactically poor.

 

The gap between our holding midfielders and defenders was crap as well, so much so that they couldn't compensate for us playing so far apart. Space galore for Everton's attackers.

 

Yeah I was at that villa game and Santon and Debuchy very rarely bombed forward. It was a very disciplined and well drilled unit that day.

[r0cafella]

We have no width from any of our attacking players they all come in field.

 

I'm not sure having our fullbacks sit back and defend is a good idea it will just make us easier to play against.

 

We need Pardew to actually do what he claims to be good at and coach the team into playing as a unit and pressing cohesively.

 

I've said it over and over we have no defensive structure our players haven't been instructed how to defend properly.

 

We don't press, we don't get tight we aren't compact & we live oceans of space between our lines. As long as we defend in this nondescript way we will be punished.

[The College Dropout]

We have no width from any of our attacking players they all come in field.

 

I'm not sure having our fullbacks sit back and defend is a good idea it will just make us easier to play against.

 

We need Pardew to actually do what he claims to be good at and coach the team into playing as a unit and pressing cohesively.

 

I've said it over and over we have no defensive structure our players haven't been instructed how to defend properly.

 

We don't press, we don't get tight we aren't compact & we live oceans of space between our lines. As long as we defend in this nondescript way we will be punished.

 

I agree we don't press cohesively.

 

Away from home to be compact, we need our fullbacks closer to our centrebacks.

[Mole_Toonfan]

We hardly press at all until its game over...... the team as a whole is a joke defensively.

[The College Dropout]

Closing down is not such a problem when you're a compact unit. We where a compact unit at the beginning of the season we finished 5th.

[Mole_Toonfan]

We actually closed down then though..... being compact is nice but we are neither at this point.

 

When we finished 5th we had both, we closed down the opposition as a team and we were compact. I'm starting to wonder if that was Hughton's doing.

[Mick]

MYM suffered from serious indecision. That's terrible in any position but at CB it's fatal. A lot of his indecision though was down to having no faith in Colo to do his bit. So MYM didn't know whether to stick or twist half the time.

Hope he learns from this and just does what he ought to do and if his partner f**ks up then he can see if the manager has the balls to haul him off instead.

 

Is the bit in bold you mind reading or has he told you that?

 

The reaction to Coloccini by some on here has been nothing less than pathetic, even if he was to blame for the goals, which I'm not saying that he was.

 

Coloccini is not beyond criticism after last night but the reaction has been way over the top.  He's the best defender at the club and has been for years.  Not a single defender has performed to as high a standard for years and he's possibly the best central defender we've had in my lifetime.

 

I'll see the goals again and might change my mind about who was to blame but after watching the game last night only, he was at worst our 2nd best defender.

[The College Dropout]

We actually closed down then though..... being compact is nice but we are neither at this point.

 

When we finished 5th we had both, we closed down the opposition as a team and we were compact. I'm starting to wonder if that was Hughton's doing.

 

Can't say we've ever been great at closing down under Pardew. When we defended well we defended deep, compact and largely focused on retaining shape - 2 banks of four. It's very difficult tmaintain 2 banks of 4 if you're closing down all over the gaff.

 

Our closing down was better then than now obviously. We played like he cared then. There's simply no desire. As useless as Ryan Taylor was at LB, he wouldn't give up.

[The College Dropout]

Colo was useless. MYM was only worse because some of his mistakes where confusingly stupid.

 

But at that level of shit it doesn't matter.

[Ronaldo]

Coloccini is not beyond criticism after last night but the reaction has been way over the top.  He's the best defender at the club and has been for years.  Not a single defender has performed to as high a standard for years and he's possibly the best central defender we've had in my lifetime.

 

All true. I wish it changed the fact that he's showing signs of not being able to compete in the PL but it doesn't.

[Mick]

 

 

All true. I wish it changed the fact that he's showing signs of not being able to compete in the PL but it doesn't.

 

We were an abortion last night and I don't think I've seen us that open for a long while.  The first 45 minutes was one of the worst performances I've seen from us and that is down to most of the starting 11 and the prick who made so many changes to bring 2 players in.

 

The problem wasn't even down to the central defenders, they were just made to look shite.  Our play was suicidal for most of the first half when we had both right and left back charging up field at the same time. The midfield offered no protection at all and we had two central defenders who wouldn't have known what to do because they had so many choices and possible gaps to try and fill.

[Mole_Toonfan]

 

 

All true. I wish it changed the fact that he's showing signs of not being able to compete in the PL but it doesn't.

 

We were an abortion last night and I don't think I've seen us that open for a long while.  The first 45 minutes was one of the worst performances I've seen from us and that is down to most of the starting 11 and the prick who made so many changes to bring 2 players in.

 

The problem wasn't even down to the central defenders, they were just made to look s****.  Our play was suicidal for most of the first half when we had both right and left back charging up field at the same time. The midfield offered no protection at all and we had two central defenders who wouldn't have known what to do because they had so many choices and possible gaps to try and fill.

 

 

[Ronaldo]

If the CBs did their job properly we'd have conceded 0 goals in that first half. We're such an easy fucking mark.