Guest alijmitchell Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I can forgive gouffran a bit because he doesn't really get any help down the left - it is really Dummett that's the problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I actually think it's Gouffran that is the hindrance to Dummett. I'm no fan of Dummett but Gouffran barely ever offers for the ball wide, meaning Dummett more often than not has to go long. An actual wide midfielder would see an (albeit limited) improvement from Dummett IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yup. Gouffran is the biggest problem, in that he's a winger that can barely do anything required of the position. Dummett is a limited fullback, but far more up to his role (at this level) than Gouffran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I actually think it's Gouffran that is the hindrance to Dummett. I'm no fan of Dummett but Gouffran barely ever offers for the ball wide, meaning Dummett more often than not has to go long. An actual wide midfielder would see an (albeit limited) improvement from Dummett IMO. Yeap, I was in the milburn stand and 1st half could see Gouffran offering absolutely nothing for Dummett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 They'll both need to go if we get promoted so it's a bit moot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I only judge this lad when he plays as a centre forward. For £750k he's more than paid his worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I actually think it's Gouffran that is the hindrance to Dummett. I'm no fan of Dummett but Gouffran barely ever offers for the ball wide, meaning Dummett more often than not has to go long. An actual wide midfielder would see an (albeit limited) improvement from Dummett IMO. Yeap, I was in the milburn stand and 1st half could see Gouffran offering absolutely nothing for Dummett. Nessy, you constantly remind people of your position at the match as if it offers exclusive insight that can't be observed from the other 3 stands or TV Why?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Usually scores when he's playing at his shittest like yesterday. He seriously offers nothing. Apart from the odd goal here and there. Yeah, his one goal every 429 minutes he's been on the pitch this year has really made it worthwhile having an absolute hindrance to our general attacking play on the left wing. Ritchie has a goal every 312 minutes and Atsu a goal every 238 minutes by the way, and as a bonus neither of them are utterly terrified of being asked to receive or play a pass. Gouffran is playing out of position, though. Clearly. He's a useful player for us in this league and he's still better than the majority of the players playing his position in the same league. We've got bigger problems than him. Btw, the stats.... ..... I don't think Ritchie had a better record, to be fair, until his recent good spell. I mean even he then was labelled as crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yup. Gouffran is the biggest problem, in that he's a winger that can barely do anything required of the position. Dummett is a limited fullback, but far more up to his role (at this level) than Gouffran. He's as much a winger as Pappis Cisse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 They're both shit - that left hand side needs to be ripped up next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Despite the goal he was awful, really need a better player in his position, Atsu has been doing well when he comes on and i think he deserves to start the next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for shit, shit, shit managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for s***, s***, s*** managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... Lille wanted him in January, and probably will in the summer since he's a free agent. *Que "lol Lille"* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for s***, s***, s*** managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... Lille wanted him in January, and probably will in the summer since he's a free agent. *Que "lol Lille"* Couldn't give a shit - they're welcome to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for shit, shit, shit managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... He's played 116 league games for us. It's amazing how players can be defended by saying they've played under shit managers, managers only do so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for shit, shit, shit managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... He's played 116 league games for us. It's amazing how players can be defended by saying they've played under shit managers, managers only do so much. How many of those games were on the wing, then? Anyone with half-decent observation skill, and memory, can see that this player was well and truly fucked by the likes of Pardew and co. Of course EVERY player has to take responsibility for their own performances, but sometimes there is a bigger underlying cause for their shitness. With Gouffran, he was once a a good STRIKER in Ligue 1 and was decent enough, considering our stature at the time, for us in the PL - when utilised correctly. But obviously this doesn't suit the agendas here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for s***, s***, s*** managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... Lille wanted him in January, and probably will in the summer since he's a free agent. *Que "lol Lille"* Couldn't give a s*** - they're welcome to him. You were the one saying the "odd goal here and there" as if it was a positive for him being in the team. Make your mind up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for s***, s***, s*** managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... Lille wanted him in January, and probably will in the summer since he's a free agent. *Que "lol Lille"* Couldn't give a s*** - they're welcome to him. You were the one saying the "odd goal here and there" as if it was a positive for him being in the team. Make your mind up. Considering what we have, the league we're in and our league position, my point was that he contributed adequately enough. He can't be that bad if Rafa persists with him. (Which, in my opinion, for the team cohesion - rightly or wrongly.) Next season, Lille are welcome to him. (I hope that's not too confusing for you now?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Lille have confirmed a new manager (Biesla) for next season so that might affect that deal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Doesn't he really matter. He's out of contract and will be gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for s***, s***, s*** managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... Lille wanted him in January, and probably will in the summer since he's a free agent. *Que "lol Lille"* Couldn't give a s*** - they're welcome to him. You were the one saying the "odd goal here and there" as if it was a positive for him being in the team. Make your mind up. Considering what we have, the league we're in and our league position, my point was that he contributed adequately enough. He can't be that bad if Rafa persists with him. (Which, in my opinion, for the team cohesion - rightly or wrongly.) Next season, Lille are welcome to him. (I hope that's not too confusing for you now?) Ritchie and Atsu with better goal and assist ratios. As other people have already explained, his goals don't make up for the fact he's a hindrance due to lack of technique, end product, and positional understanding for playing on the wing. Rafa plays him for defensive balance, I agree, much like he did with Kuyt at Liverpool. Doesn't mean Gouff is performing adequately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 His goal papered over what I thought was a really poor performance from him last night. I'll be amazed if he's not finished here come the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He's been playing on the wing for 3.5 years for us now, he should be used to playing there now. He had a long spell out of the side and he played for s***, s***, s*** managers. And that not to take into account that we're talking about Gouffran as a Championship player now, not a top flight player. (I haven't seen anyone that wants him for next season. ) Anyway.... Lille wanted him in January, and probably will in the summer since he's a free agent. *Que "lol Lille"* Couldn't give a s*** - they're welcome to him. You were the one saying the "odd goal here and there" as if it was a positive for him being in the team. Make your mind up. Considering what we have, the league we're in and our league position, my point was that he contributed adequately enough. He can't be that bad if Rafa persists with him. (Which, in my opinion, for the team cohesion - rightly or wrongly.) Next season, Lille are welcome to him. (I hope that's not too confusing for you now?) Ritchie and Atsu with better goal and assist ratios. As other people have already explained, his goals don't make up for the fact he's a hindrance due to lack of technique, end product, and positional understanding for playing on the wing. Rafa plays him for defensive balance, I agree, much like he did with Kuyt at Liverpool. Doesn't mean Gouff is performing adequately. Not much between Atsu and Gouffran. There's more to football than simply descriptive stats. Surely Rafa should be getting equal criticism for playing him, then? And yes, I would describe Gouffran's contribution as adequate enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Quite simply, we know what Gouffran does, it's not going to change. He runs around a lot, tracks back well and has a decent instinct in the box, that's it. Our other option is Atsu, who is clearly talented but raw and less reliable defensively. Things are going fine, so there is no urgency to change things. Neither are the answer if we get promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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