binnsy Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Still pisses me off the red card Tiote got against sunderland. He only got it purely because he's Tiote and it was a derby so the fans went mental after. the thing that gets me about the Tiote sending off is that despite giving us the free kick Atkinson didn't take into account the pull on Tiote which as a result was the cause of Tiote missig the ball and catching the player, without the foul initially on Cheick he takes the ball clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Watched this in a bar called Envi in Liverpool, with the Everton match on as well. The place was absolutely bouncing after we scored our third and they equalised in the space of 2 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It annoys me that Benitez can be so short sighted about the Colo decision. By the letter of the law its a red, but by the letter of the law so was the Ramirez challenge. Personally I think Webb got the decisions right and neither warranted anything more than was delivered. The fact MOTD edited it from their clips cheese's me off as well. But when I think about it, we mugged them off and came away with 3 points having knackered their new favorite player, so I think who gives a fuck what anyone says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I don't think Colo's was a red at all, he was going for the ball and it was an accident. Can see why a pen would have been given though. I'd have sent Ramires off every day of the week, surprised people think otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Never a red card in a million years. If the advantage rule doesn't apply, then the goalscoring opportunity one certainly does. Ba got his opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I don't think Colo's was a red at all, he was going for the ball and it was an accident. Can see why a pen would have been given though. I'd have sent Ramires off every day of the week, surprised people think otherwise. Try to have a look at the replay, it's not as bad as it looked like. He doesn't catch Jonas in a leg breaking way. It's a yellow, and I think Webb got those decisions right. He had many decisions he got wrong but those two weren't one of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Did anyone think Villa should've had a pen when Perch smashed Weimann just after he'd shot on Tues night? Exactly the same scenarios for me, both were fouls if they'd occurred outside the box but neither stopped the attackers' goal scoring opportunities and didn't prevent them from reaching any loose balls so there was no direct advantage to NUFC, so totally understand why the ref didn't give either as pens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I don't think Colo's was a red at all, he was going for the ball and it was an accident. Can see why a pen would have been given though. I'd have sent Ramires off every day of the week, surprised people think otherwise. Try to have a look at the replay, it's not as bad as it looked like. He doesn't catch Jonas in a leg breaking way. It's a yellow, and I think Webb got those decisions right. He had many decisions he got wrong but those two weren't one of those. I've watched it a few times, I thought it was a terrible challenge. It wasn't the nastiest 2-footed tackle I've ever seen, but I've seen countless more tame ones that have been punished with a red card. As I said earlier, I personally think that the player should be sent off every time they go in 2-footed. I never felt the need to go in 2-footed when I played football when I was younger and I have no idea why top-level footballers do either. For these tackles to be an automatic red card avoids doubt and actually makes the referee's job easier. It might also help remove this type of challenge altogether, or at least minimise them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Colo's should have been an indirect free kick for dangerous play. Refs don't often give those inside the area though. Either that, or Webb couldn't see just how high his foot was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Never a red card in a million years. If the advantage rule doesn't apply, then the goalscoring opportunity one certainly does. Ba got his opportunity. my thoughts exactly. Also Ba leaned forward or dived to head it, its not like colo was standing or jumping and kicking at head height. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I asked earlier in the thread, but has there ever been an example of a player being sent off for attempting an acrobatic clearance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I asked earlier in the thread, but has there ever been an example of a player being sent off for attempting an acrobatic clearance? dont know, but i rekon it was barley above stomach height anyway if they both stand up straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The Colo/Ba thing was accidental, two committed players going for the same ball, one with his foot and one with his head. They both connected together at the same time almost so should Ba have seen red for catching Colo with his head?! Its ridiculous to even suggest its a foul. Its the equivalent of heads coming together in the penalty box from a corner. Great win btw and a rather decent performance. I spent the first half sat a few rows down from Ashley and the second we stayed in our box the executive box. 1 Arsenal fan with his lass, me and two mates Geordies, a Man Utd fan with his lass, a Geordie, and two Chelsea fans. The two Chelsea fans were top class although some of the stuff they come out with about our club and KK in particular was shocking, totally ignorant media driven type nonsense. They were happy to be told straight about one or two things though to their credit. These two fans, badly want Rafa out because when he was Liverpool manager he said some really bad stuff about them and them as fans and don't care much for Abramovic either who they conceded has helped ruin our game and make it almost impossible for say a NUFC to succeed unless we have our own Abramovic. They were grateful for the trophies etc. but feel they are hollow triumphs as opposed to their cup wins under Gullit/Vialli et al. They rated Hoddle as the man who transformed them and Bates. They also conceded that before Abramovic came along they were an average sized club similar to West Ham. Like I said good lads who had been following their club for over 30 years. They got their tickets from Howard Webb who they are mates with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonpete1892 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Colo's foot was high but it wasn't that high or late (well not unless you use high speed cameras). Ba stooped down to head it and as many have said, he had his chance to score from it. I could understand if the pen was given but a red for a 50/50 ball? No chance. It makes you think why overhead kicks are allowed. The attacking player clearly has his accelerating foot above waist height, normally they are off the ground and therefore aren't in control, and it would take a very brave player of the defending team to stick their head in the way. How many times do you see free kicks given? Most of the time the commentators wank it up, but like yesterday, it is a case of a head and a foot going for a 50/50 ball. Unless there is menace behind it or a late challenge, or against us, just play the fuck on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Colo's should have been an indirect free kick for dangerous play. Refs don't often give those inside the area though. Either that, or Webb couldn't see just how high his foot was. Agreed. Colo wasn't deliberate, careless or reckless but he played in the catch-all 'dangerous manner' if he infringed the laws at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Woeful finishing aside I think that's the best all round game I've seen Cisse have. Held it up well, constant running and showing for it and great link up play. Those finishes though, just put your foot through it man. Great move by Cisse for the 3rd goal. Received the ball in the center of the field, great move to trap the ball, keep it close and then turn upfield for the pass to Gouffran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Colo's should have been an indirect free kick for dangerous play. Refs don't often give those inside the area though. Either that, or Webb couldn't see just how high his foot was. You need to brush up on the rules Cronk, dangerous play is always a direct free kick. Despite it's name, a penalty is a direct free kick. A ref will have never given a indirect free kick for dangerous play, not unless he doesn't know the ruling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I thought the rules had changed recently so that only a backpass in the box is an indirect free-kick? Though personally I think that should also be a penalty and yellow card (red-card if preventing a scoring opportunity) for the keeper but that's for another argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Agree it was probably a pen to Chelsea yesterday regarding the Ba incident. However, never in a million years is that a red card. Ba didn't see the boot coming and he had already taken the header. Accidental. If your CB doesn't go in for that challenge they would get absolutely crucified for failing to do so. Accidental boot to the face, but a penalty at best. Should have been a penalty but Webb probably didn't see the contact as he was further up field and was shielded from view. Even if Webb had seen it, It should not have been a Red card (max yellow). It wasn't violent conduct (red) just a reckless play (yellow) and it didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity because Ba's header was already away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Colo's should have been an indirect free kick for dangerous play. Refs don't often give those inside the area though. Either that, or Webb couldn't see just how high his foot was. Agreed. Colo wasn't deliberate, careless or reckless but he played in the catch-all 'dangerous manner' if he infringed the laws at all. Doesn't have to be deliberate, reckless or whatever for it to deemed dangerous. He caught Ba in the face after Ba headed the ball, accidentally and anywhere on the pitch bar the penalty area it is a free kick. For some reason that rule doesn't seem to apply in the area, when it should do. My ref's head says penalty, no red card, no yellow but a penalty. In practice, it goes just how Webb gave it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Aye - as it went in our favor (Colo) - adding the Krul save, Ba miss, Colo caught him etc and no penalty or indirect FK or w/e, coupled with the fact that it resulted in Ba having to be off substituted (thank God)....based on all of that, couldn't be arsed to sit around and think about a decision going against us or what the talking heads in the media or the Spanish waiter have to say about it unless some retroactive decision was to be made by the FA which as far as I'm concerned and aware, is not happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I thought the rules had changed recently so that only a backpass in the box is an indirect free-kick? Basically yeah, along with dissent, which ref's don't usually give (but should by the rules) as an indirect free kick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Aye - as it went in our favor (Colo) - adding the Krul save, Ba miss, Colo caught him etc and no penalty or indirect FK or w/e, coupled with the fact that it resulted in Ba having to be off substituted (thank God)....based on all of that, couldn't be arsed to sit around and think about a decision going against us or what the talking heads in the media or the Spanish waiter have to say about it unless some retroactive decision was to be made by the FA which as far as I'm concerned and aware, is not happening. yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Ramires was a definite red. Coloccini, red not a chance, penalty maybe, but I'm just glad there's something for them to feel aggrieved about because of the stonewall red Luiz should have got last year for pulling back, ironically, Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Colo's should have been an indirect free kick for dangerous play. Refs don't often give those inside the area though. Either that, or Webb couldn't see just how high his foot was. Agreed. Colo wasn't deliberate, careless or reckless but he played in the catch-all 'dangerous manner' if he infringed the laws at all. Doesn't have to be deliberate, reckless or whatever for it to deemed dangerous. He caught Ba in the face after Ba headed the ball, accidentally and anywhere on the pitch bar the penalty are it is a free kick. For some reason that rule doesn't seem to apply in the area, when in should do. My ref's head says penalty, no red card, no yellow but a penalty. In practice, it goes just how Webb gave it. Read the Laws of the Game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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