steve_69 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 well I completely disagree with that statement The clamour for new signings wouldn't be anywhere near as frenzied as it has been if Pardew had actually created a team that was as strong as the sum of its parts. Pardew doesn't ''create'' the team or choose the players in the squad. He just coaches it. bingo and the only category in choosing the players is the question "is it a good deal" and not any actual football vision and philosophy so we're stuck with a squad thats completely unbalanced and hasn't really shown any capacity that they're the right fit for each other. If that's true and he does only coach the team it shows him in an even worse light. He has a team full of internationals and not internationals from s*** countries either - France, Argentina, Senegal, Italy, Ivory Coast, Holland, England. Last season the tactics were s****, the set play routines were awful, players were consistently played out of position, the substitutions were baffling etc. Make all the excuses you want for Pardew but if he was any good then last season would have been the anomaly in his managerial record but it wasn't, the previous season was. How many more internationals do you think we need to sign before we actually start to see the fruits of Pardew's genius? doesn't matter if you have internationals (even if they aren't exactly top quality internationals) if there is little balance. for all our squad got smaller, IMO it is now better as it is more balanced. Remy was a massive one for us and for that reason pardew has no excuses this season. How are we unbalanced? We have a squad that can adapt to 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3 etc. What more do you want? Our attacking players can operate as wingers or second strikers. We have good options in the centre as well - Jonas, Sissoko, Cabaye, Tiote etc. The weak point is the lack of a decent target man but here's an idea, play without one. Use pace, movement, skill and flair as your weapons like most of the other decent teams in the league. Oh no, wait a minute......that's far to risky for the mini-Mourinho. Fuck it, let's stick some more square pegs in round holes and hope they can scrape a last minute 1-0 win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 well I completely disagree with that statement The clamour for new signings wouldn't be anywhere near as frenzied as it has been if Pardew had actually created a team that was as strong as the sum of its parts. Pardew doesn't ''create'' the team or choose the players in the squad. He just coaches it. bingo and the only category in choosing the players is the question "is it a good deal" and not any actual football vision and philosophy so we're stuck with a squad thats completely unbalanced and hasn't really shown any capacity that they're the right fit for each other. If that's true and he does only coach the team it shows him in an even worse light. He has a team full of internationals and not internationals from s*** countries either - France, Argentina, Senegal, Italy, Ivory Coast, Holland, England. Last season the tactics were s****, the set play routines were awful, players were consistently played out of position, the substitutions were baffling etc. Make all the excuses you want for Pardew but if he was any good then last season would have been the anomaly in his managerial record but it wasn't, the previous season was. How many more internationals do you think we need to sign before we actually start to see the fruits of Pardew's genius? doesn't matter if you have internationals (even if they aren't exactly top quality internationals) if there is little balance. for all our squad got smaller, IMO it is now better as it is more balanced. Remy was a massive one for us and for that reason pardew has no excuses this season. How are we unbalanced? We have a squad that can adapt to 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3 etc. What more do you want? Our attacking players can operate as wingers or second strikers. We have good options in the centre as well - Jonas, Sissoko, Cabaye, Tiote etc. The weak point is the lack of a decent target man but here's an idea, play without one. Use pace, movement, skill and flair as your weapons like most of the other decent teams in the league. Oh no, wait a minute......that's far to risky for the mini-Mourinho. f*** it, let's stick some more square pegs in round holes and hope they can scrape a last minute 1-0 win. how are we unbalanced ? we spent most of last season and thye start of this with one player who is a natural at getting onto the box , ONE! that makes it very easy for the opposition and you can knock it around like barcelona till 30yds out without players looking to get into the box and get on the end of things you'll end up not scoring. i agree all about pace and movement but if they don't do it (or can't do it) in and around the box you are going to suffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Pissdew continues to be just a puppet. All managers are puppets to a large extent. Start mouthing off about the owners/board of directors who employ them and they will get sacked. That is the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Steve, in that case, you should not blame Ashley for spending nth during this summer because we have "more than enough" Bullshit No, I don't really blame Ashley for not spending. He's a cunt, we know he's a cunt so why act surprised and pissed off when he acts like a cunt? The fact is we have a good squad of players (yes, it could have been better) and it's up to our manager now to mold the players he has into a potent, cohesive unit. Personally I don't think he has the skills to do it but we'll see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 well I completely disagree with that statement The clamour for new signings wouldn't be anywhere near as frenzied as it has been if Pardew had actually created a team that was as strong as the sum of its parts. Pardew doesn't ''create'' the team or choose the players in the squad. He just coaches it. bingo and the only category in choosing the players is the question "is it a good deal" and not any actual football vision and philosophy so we're stuck with a squad thats completely unbalanced and hasn't really shown any capacity that they're the right fit for each other. If that's true and he does only coach the team it shows him in an even worse light. He has a team full of internationals and not internationals from s*** countries either - France, Argentina, Senegal, Italy, Ivory Coast, Holland, England. Last season the tactics were s****, the set play routines were awful, players were consistently played out of position, the substitutions were baffling etc. Make all the excuses you want for Pardew but if he was any good then last season would have been the anomaly in his managerial record but it wasn't, the previous season was. How many more internationals do you think we need to sign before we actually start to see the fruits of Pardew's genius? doesn't matter if you have internationals (even if they aren't exactly top quality internationals) if there is little balance. for all our squad got smaller, IMO it is now better as it is more balanced. Remy was a massive one for us and for that reason pardew has no excuses this season. How are we unbalanced? We have a squad that can adapt to 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3 etc. What more do you want? Our attacking players can operate as wingers or second strikers. We have good options in the centre as well - Jonas, Sissoko, Cabaye, Tiote etc. The weak point is the lack of a decent target man but here's an idea, play without one. Use pace, movement, skill and flair as your weapons like most of the other decent teams in the league. Oh no, wait a minute......that's far to risky for the mini-Mourinho. f*** it, let's stick some more square pegs in round holes and hope they can scrape a last minute 1-0 win. how are we unbalanced ? we spent most of last season and thye start of this with one player who is a natural at getting onto the box , ONE! that makes it very easy for the opposition and you can knock it around like barcelona till 30yds out without players looking to get into the box and get on the end of things you'll end up not scoring. i agree all about pace and movement but if they don't do it (or can't do it) in and around the box you are going to suffer. That was down to the manager and the shit tactics he employed. We still had Cisse, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveux and to a lesser extent Obertan. We could have been a lot more potent than we were but taking risks and playing attacking football is not Pardew's bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 well I completely disagree with that statement The clamour for new signings wouldn't be anywhere near as frenzied as it has been if Pardew had actually created a team that was as strong as the sum of its parts. Pardew doesn't ''create'' the team or choose the players in the squad. He just coaches it. bingo and the only category in choosing the players is the question "is it a good deal" and not any actual football vision and philosophy so we're stuck with a squad thats completely unbalanced and hasn't really shown any capacity that they're the right fit for each other. If that's true and he does only coach the team it shows him in an even worse light. He has a team full of internationals and not internationals from s*** countries either - France, Argentina, Senegal, Italy, Ivory Coast, Holland, England. Last season the tactics were s****, the set play routines were awful, players were consistently played out of position, the substitutions were baffling etc. Make all the excuses you want for Pardew but if he was any good then last season would have been the anomaly in his managerial record but it wasn't, the previous season was. How many more internationals do you think we need to sign before we actually start to see the fruits of Pardew's genius? doesn't matter if you have internationals (even if they aren't exactly top quality internationals) if there is little balance. for all our squad got smaller, IMO it is now better as it is more balanced. Remy was a massive one for us and for that reason pardew has no excuses this season. How are we unbalanced? We have a squad that can adapt to 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3 etc. What more do you want? Our attacking players can operate as wingers or second strikers. We have good options in the centre as well - Jonas, Sissoko, Cabaye, Tiote etc. The weak point is the lack of a decent target man but here's an idea, play without one. Use pace, movement, skill and flair as your weapons like most of the other decent teams in the league. Oh no, wait a minute......that's far to risky for the mini-Mourinho. f*** it, let's stick some more square pegs in round holes and hope they can scrape a last minute 1-0 win. how are we unbalanced ? we spent most of last season and thye start of this with one player who is a natural at getting onto the box , ONE! that makes it very easy for the opposition and you can knock it around like barcelona till 30yds out without players looking to get into the box and get on the end of things you'll end up not scoring. i agree all about pace and movement but if they don't do it (or can't do it) in and around the box you are going to suffer. That was down to the manager and the s*** tactics he employed. We still had Cisse, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveux and to a lesser extent Obertan. We could have been a lot more potent than we were but taking risks and playing attacking football is not Pardew's bag. last season i wanted marveaux and ben arfa playing off cisse or ba. the more i watched both the more i realised they do not get in the box off the ball, it's not their natural game, nor sissokos or cabayes and it's like saying to mike williamson, pass it more, if it's not in their game they are not going to do it well. a remy/aubameayng type who can link midfield and attack aswell as get in the box was essential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 When we were looking through Saturday's uninspiring fixture list on Thursday, I joked to Sarah Winterburn that I could probably start writing a reaction piece to Newcastle v Fulham then and there, such was the predictability of the result and two pitiful performances. This contest yielded just a single goal last season - Papiss Cisse's last-minute winner at St James' Park - and it seemed certain another snoozefest was in store. "You can't predict when you're going to score," said Alan Pardew after Hatem Ben Arfa's second-half screamer earned Newcastle a narrow victory. What you can predict, however, is that Pardew's team will struggle to score, having had just a single shot on target in their first two Premier League matches this season and amassing a meagre total of 45 goals last year. It was hard work on the pitch against Fulham and it was hard work watching as the Magpies increasingly looked to Ben Arfa to provide a moment of magic. Pardew was typically bullish in his post-match interviews, praising his team's resilience and encouraging Joe Kinnear to find the extra striker the team apparently needs. But the manager's tunnel vision when it comes to strengthening his squad betrays his lack of imagination and unashamed willingness to burden Ben Arfa with the team's creative direction. Cisse, although in terrible form, and Loic Remy have both proven they can score goals in the Premier League, so why the desperation to sign only another forward? It is surely behind the front men where Newcastle require reinforcements. The need for subtlety was a point I recently raised with Spurs in mind and the very same can be said of a Newcastle side bereft of ideas. Even when the Magpies fought their way to fifth in 2011/12, theirs was a limited, functional brand of football, illustrated by a ranking of joint-fifth in number of long balls played per game - improved to first place last season. Play it long and play it early was the mantra, and it was a tactic that worked to great success with Demba Ba adept at collecting high balls and finishing hopeful knockdowns. But without Ba (who was Newcastle's top scorer in the Premier League last season despite leaving for Chelsea in January), it's clear that Pardew needs to devise a new method of attack, something that failed to materialise in last season's battle for survival. The manager may falsely believe that the win over Fulham will give his side the boost they need, but Newcastle's is not an acute sickness - their problems embedded over a year of absent ideas when the Magpies were propped up by four dreadful teams below them. Pardew is a man of contradictions and his team reflect his split personality on the pitch. While he wishes to appear as the thinking man's manager, Pardew is in reality a fist-shaker, a bellower and the sort to shove an assistant. His players may have exotic names that roll off the tongue and inspire visions of beautiful, flowing football, but in truth they play an unimaginative kick and rush that offers not a single hint that Pardew is capable of providing something different. Indeed, if you asked the manager why and how his team won on Saturday, I doubt he could even provide a conclusive answer other than pointing to Ben Arfa's brilliance. Another injury to Ben Arfa would leave Newcastle even more desperate for creativity and supporters even more frustrated. Mike Ashley chose not to remove Pardew in the summer, but the sword of Damocles still hangs over the manager's head and unless he can somehow introduce a more convincing style of play it is unlikely he will see out the season. In the grand scheme of things, a scrappy 1-0 win over Fulham changes nothing. http://www.football365.com/f365-says/8900177/Newcastle-s-Rare-Win-Changes-Nothing What a superb, intelligent article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Doesn't sound like the opinion of an impartial observer at all that... wonder who it's by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Doesn't sound like the opinion of an impartial observer at all that... wonder who it's by. It's credited to Matt Stranger and according to the first comment underneath the article he's not a Newcastle fan which means it is actually an impartial view. I don't see why anyone would doubt it, what he says is sensible enough and it's not like many of us haven't said the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Supposed statement from Pardew regarding the transfer window. Clearly not him. Note the use of 'were'. We are delighted to have brought Loic Remy to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cisse. Joe has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player. However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward. We did the majority of our business in the January window, signing five excellent first team players. With the strong squad we have we should all approach the season in a positive, optimistic frame of mind. http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20130903/statement-from-alan-pardew-summer-transfer-window_2281670_3446911 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Class. That is North Korean style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 There will be plenty of lapping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Oh my days What a joke that he has agreed to have his name put to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Pretty sure someone said that's what it would be word for word. What a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaotikuk Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 how can he say there was none available to improve our squad, our budget msut of been £0 as anything above that is enough to improve on shola.. surely? I hate pardew so much ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 What a pointless statement. Never understand who is behind stuff like that, absolute idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 If you're going to go down the propaganda route, at least make a half-decent job of it. Can't believe he's agreed to have his name attached to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 that's surely not fucking real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 What a pointless statement. Never understand who is behind stuff like that, absolute idiots. Incredible, really. I realise that those who matter will care very little for supporter unrest, but that will only fan the flanes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Embarrassing. Not Pardew but the PR department. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Embarrassing. Not Pardew but the PR department. Oh aye, definitely not Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Not a fucking chance in the world that's directly from his gob. Clear indictment of or budget (or lack of) there though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Worse than Shola!!!!! How far we have fallen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 What a pointless statement. Never understand who is behind stuff like that, absolute idiots. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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