Alan Pardew

[Parky]

Hughton is a better coach there is no doubt about that. He's one of the highest qualified coaches in the PL. He has a good knack with players and has continued to show this at Norwich.

dunno his time at Norwich hasn't exactly been impressive and its looking like he could be on his way before long

 

It's a very limited first 11 compared to ours.

after spending a fair wad of cash in the summer.

 

Think they knew they had to spend...We'll see at the end of the season...We're far more likely to be flirting with relegation than them imo...

 

What makes you think that out of interest? Haven't seen anything of Norwich to suggest they won't be flirting with relegation

 

For instance Hughton is pragmatic and in some ways as much a percentages man as Pardew but he knows how to apply it where the latter doesn't. Imagine if Norwich had Hatem, Remy and Cabaye..or a marauding full back like Santon (Garrido).

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

I reckon they're going to sack Pardew fairly sharpish. After the Spurs game I think there's an International break & he'll be gone.

 

Hope you're right HV 

 

I'm more worried about the replacement but we've been into that.

 

I think we'll lose our next three, the latter two narrowly & Ashley will gamble. This is also to do with the media side of things as Pardew has A. Had a go at Ashley. B. Misunderstood the ban of the local papers.

 

& then the new manager has a few winnable games to bed in with.

[Guest bimpy474]

Dunno about anyone else but Hughton gave me pride back in my team after relegation, especially after the Keegan, Kinnear and Shearer disasters. And he did that with Ashley and Llambias above him.

 

And he did it with dignity and winning matches...for that alone he is a million times the man Pardew is.

 

Get the tissues out....

 

 

Pride and dignity is something Ashley, Pardew and Llambias have stripped from this club. By all means mock it.

[Dr Venkman]

I think the animosity to numbers and pictures on here is getting silly.  When SSN hoy up a manager's WLD record on screen, which they do following EVERY sacking, do the readers on N-O blanket them with emails about "lies, damn lies and statistics"? 

 

It's nowt more than a topic for discussion recognised globally as an interesting measure of how a manager did in his time.

 

The corner stat is fucking atrocious and warrants discussion.  Last season, being the team that hit more long balls than anyone else warranted discussion. 

 

The data on Alan Pardew's Newcastle isn't big enough to make ANY categoric claims whatsoever, but no-one's claiming something like Pardew reversing the number of long balls so this season we've hit less than 90% of the leagues teams makes him in any way a competent manager.  It's just another interesting tidbit that clearly says something about a change in his and the teams methods.  No-one (maybe CT?) thinks Marveaux should start because he got most assists last season, or that it should make him a big transfer target from other teams applying the moneyball approach.  But it is something to note as interesting.  To me at least.

 

It warrants discussion, or if not discussion, then at least a mention.

 

Generating discussion is surely what a forum is about, especially (for example) if a poster claims Pardew is still being a hoofball merchant.

 

He's on his 5th album now and still knocking out 2 trackers. Where the fuck is the concept album?!!

 

He's never been capable of it in any job he's ever had.

 

Ashley doesn't want a concept album though, He wants one of them £2.99 90's compilations you get by the tills in Morrisons.

 

It's like going to Sports Direct and complaining that they don't have any Gucci suits for sale and should sack the store manager for not stocking them.

 

Nah, it's like going to Sports Direct and picking up a few nice pairs of trainers, not amazing but pretty nice and the type you'd be happy to wear on a night out. Then taking them to the till to buy, but the manager doesn't know how to operate it, so you go home disappointed. Ultimately it's the companies fault for hiring a manager who can't work a till, but don't tell me there'd be no resentment at the inadequacies of the manager, because it's bollocks. He needs to be held accountable for how bad a job he's doing.

[BrettNUFC]

Pardew is a cunt, Hughton is certainly a far better man, no question. However i don't split their managerial abilities as they are both out of their depth in this league regardless if Pardew finished 5th once and Hughton has had a couple of mid table finishes. It's clear as day that they both aren't good enough.

[Happy Face]

Dunno about anyone else but Hughton gave me pride back in my team after relegation, especially after the Keegan, Kinnear and Shearer disasters. And he did that with Ashley and Llambias above him.

 

And he did it with dignity and winning matches...for that alone he is a million times the man Pardew is.

 

Mentioned it before, but Ashley, Llambias and co kept a remarkably low profile throughout the championship season.  It's the one time football came first for them.  It left Hughton free to do his work for the most part.

 

It only serves as proof to me that Ashley knows what he is doing when he hoys a spanner in the works.  It's a conscious decision to court controversy over success.

 

"you don't know just how horrible we can be?"

[Guest neesy111]

I reckon they're going to sack Pardew fairly sharpish. After the Spurs game I think there's an International break & he'll be gone.

 

Hope you're right HV 

 

I'm more worried about the replacement but we've been into that.

 

I think we'll lose our next three, the latter two narrowly & Ashley will gamble. This is also to do with the media side of things as Pardew has A. Had a go at Ashley. B. Misunderstood the ban of the local papers.

 

& then the new manager has a few winnable games to bed in with.

 

Defeat in the next 2 games and I think he'll be in dodgy territory.  I think it will be us falling into the relegation zone (if) that will cause the alarm bells to go off.

[Guest bimpy474]

I reckon they're going to sack Pardew fairly sharpish. After the Spurs game I think there's an International break & he'll be gone.

 

Hope you're right HV 

 

I'm more worried about the replacement but we've been into that.

 

I think we'll lose our next three, the latter two narrowly & Ashley will gamble. This is also to do with the media side of things as Pardew has A. Had a go at Ashley. B. Misunderstood the ban of the local papers.

 

& then the new manager has a few winnable games to bed in with.

 

I'm not daft enough to dismiss the risk, but i hope they take it. Reckon your scenario is quite accurate but the getting rid of Pardew is the one doubt.

[George Bailey]

Hughton is s****, if he was a c***, everyone would see it. People talk about losing games before a ball was kicked just had to watch their game last night, they didn't want to know against a Man Utd side who are on the ropes at present and just scraping through teams. He hasn't got long left like then he can step down a division to his level.

 

Drivel as usual from the appeasers and apologists.

Hughton is not shit.

 

I would certainly say limited in the same way Pardew is limited. However Pardew IS an odious. toadying, slime ball who is so far up the anti-christs arse he licks Ashleys teeth for breakfast. As part of the current vile, infectious regime he deserves every ounce of criticism and bile heaped upon him.

 

Who would be better?? A moot point in many ways.

 

We need rid of them all and until people stop bending over, accepting the same crap and having the 'victim' mentality nowt will change.

Season after season of mid table, flirting with relegation keek. But if you want to 'keep the faith' and prove what a soooper fan you are then OK, each to their own.

 

Personally I see you all as much an actual part of the problem as well. Keep applauding Pardew though, chant his name etc, cos that's what real fans do.

Just get used to his cock up your arse as he plows you deep..oh and make room for Mike as well, he will want to shaft you too, whilst pissing himself laughing at you.

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

Dunno about anyone else but Hughton gave me pride back in my team after relegation, especially after the Keegan, Kinnear and Shearer disasters. And he did that with Ashley and Llambias above him.

 

And he did it with dignity and winning matches...for that alone he is a million times the man Pardew is.

 

Mentioned it before, but Ashley, Llambias and co kept a remarkably low profile throughout the championship season.  It's the one time football came first for them.  It left Hughton free to do his work for the most part.

 

It only serves as proof to me that Ashley knows what he is doing when he hoys a spanner in the works.  It's a conscious decision to court controversy over success.

 

"you don't know just how horrible we can be?"

 

Aye, totally agree. He really is one spiteful bloke.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I wonder if Pardew was set a specific target and/or deadline after last season's failings? Maybe based on a landmark like Christmas? I don't buy the argument that Ashley is prepared to keep him as long as we just manage to stay up, but then again I've no idea what it would take to see him sacked either.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Hughton didn't have us sit back after taking a one-goal lead.

Hughton didn't play down the chances of us getting a result before a ball had been kicked on the eve of the opening game of the season.

Hughton didn't argue that we couldn't compete with our average midtable peers.

[Guest reefatoon]

Pardew is a c***, Hughton is certainly a far better man, no question. However i don't split their managerial abilities as they are both out of their depth in this league regardless if Pardew finished 5th once and Hughton has had a couple of mid table finishes. It's clear as day that they both aren't good enough.

 

Fucking hell cracker barrel, that's exactly what you are doing.  Screaming for Hughton to get the sack, then not doing the same for a manager who is worse!  Stand back, wipe the rabid drool away from your mush, and see what a ball bag you sound.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

I reckon they're going to sack Pardew fairly sharpish. After the Spurs game I think there's an International break & he'll be gone.

 

Hope you're right HV 

 

I'm more worried about the replacement but we've been into that.

 

I think we'll lose our next three, the latter two narrowly & Ashley will gamble. This is also to do with the media side of things as Pardew has A. Had a go at Ashley. B. Misunderstood the ban of the local papers.

 

& then the new manager has a few winnable games to bed in with.

 

Defeat in the next 2 games and I think he'll be in dodgy territory.  I think it will be us falling into the relegation zone (if) that will cause the alarm bells to go off.

 

That's what I'm thinking - but in addition failure to tow the party line is where he's gone wrong as well.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Season after season of mid table, flirting with relegation keek. But if you want to 'keep the faith' and prove what a soooper fan you are then OK, each to their own.

 

Never understood this one, you could equally argue it's superfan behaviour to want the manager out because we aren't challenging for our 'rightful positions'. I don't make that argument, but you see what I mean.

[Guest bimpy474]

I wonder if Pardew was set a specific target and/or deadline after last season's failings? Maybe based on a landmark like Christmas? I don't buy the argument that Ashley is prepared to keep him as long as we just manage to stay up, but then again I've no idea what it would take to see him sacked either.

 

Pardew said that him, Ashley and Kinnear (actually might have been this nutter who said it) think we have a top ten side this season. Anything outside that especially in the bottom 5 has Pardew walking on thin ice imo.

[George Bailey]

Season after season of mid table, flirting with relegation keek. But if you want to 'keep the faith' and prove what a soooper fan you are then OK, each to their own.

 

Never understood this one, you could equally argue it's superfan behaviour to want the manager out because we aren't challenging for our 'rightful positions'. I don't make that argument, but you see what I mean.

 

It isn't about the position Ian and you know it. OK maybe I chose that badly. Its about the ambition and drive. if we were finishing mid table with a clear plan, a strategy and owners, board planning for the future we would accept it.

We did with SBR for his first seasons.

This lot have no plan, no strategy..not for moving OUR club forward anyway. They don't wanna be here, and are taking the club backwards.

Both in terms of its image,its relationship with us and in playing terms too.

 

Shootings to good for the c***s imo.

 

I understand your position...whole heartedly disagree with you mind! But respect you as very good poster and clear NUFC fan.

 

Brett...well I ain't convinced he isn't wearing red and white stripes....

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

I reckon they're going to sack Pardew fairly sharpish. After the Spurs game I think there's an International break & he'll be gone.

 

Hope you're right HV 

 

I'm more worried about the replacement but we've been into that.

 

I think we'll lose our next three, the latter two narrowly & Ashley will gamble. This is also to do with the media side of things as Pardew has A. Had a go at Ashley. B. Misunderstood the ban of the local papers.

 

& then the new manager has a few winnable games to bed in with.

 

I'm not daft enough to dismiss the risk, but i hope they take it. Reckon your scenario is quite accurate but the getting rid of Pardew is the one doubt.

 

I think there's a few things that are going against him now 

 

Llambias is no longer part of the equation

Pardew has criticised Ashley in public

Ashley will be looking for a scapegoat to draw attention from the protests.

 

So I can see him going soon, Ashley will be looking for an excuse.

[BrettNUFC]

Pardew is a c***, Hughton is certainly a far better man, no question. However i don't split their managerial abilities as they are both out of their depth in this league regardless if Pardew finished 5th once and Hughton has had a couple of mid table finishes. It's clear as day that they both aren't good enough.

 

f***ing hell cracker barrel, that's exactly what you are doing.  Screaming for Hughton to get the sack, then not doing the same for a manager who is worse!  Stand back, wipe the rabid drool away from your mush, and see what a ball bag you sound.

No it's not, if Pardew got sacked it wouldn't bother me, i'd be very intrigued and very reserved to the fact that likely we will be appointing someone just as s*** if not worse than Pardew so I wouldn’t be getting my hopes up. If i had of known shouting for Hughton out would lead to a managerial appointment like Pardew, i would have never done that in the first place but i honestly believed we were going to upgrade once he was rid of. That optimism has now been sapped out of me and i only envision another awful appointment was Pardew to go.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Season after season of mid table, flirting with relegation keek. But if you want to 'keep the faith' and prove what a soooper fan you are then OK, each to their own.

 

 

 

It isn't about the position Ian and you know it. OK maybe I chose that badly. Its about the ambition and drive. if we were finishing mid table with a clear plan, a strategy and owners, board planning for the future we would accept it.

We did with SBR for his first seasons.

This lot have no plan, no strategy..not for moving OUR club forward anyway. They don't wanna be here, and are taking the club backwards.

Both in terms of its image,its relationship with us and in playing terms too.

 

Shootings to good for the c***s imo.

 

I understand your position...whole heartedly disagree with you mind! But respect you as very good poster and clear NUFC fan.

 

Brett...well I ain't convinced he isn't wearing red and white stripes....

Never understood this one, you could equally argue it's superfan behaviour to want the manager out because we aren't challenging for our 'rightful positions'. I don't make that argument, but you see what I mean.

 

I know what you mean, I wasn't talking specifically about league position either really. But you get the point, from the outside it could look like "football fans being hard on a decent manager" or whatever.

 

I want more ambition for the club too, but what that means in practice is a much more complicated debate.

[BrettNUFC]

Brett...well I ain't convinced he isn't wearing red and white stripes....

I'm now being called a mackem when you've got half of the forum on here saying the mackems deserved to win and me arguing against that for two days. Good grief George Bailey, hot fucking dog!

[George Bailey]

Season after season of mid table, flirting with relegation keek. But if you want to 'keep the faith' and prove what a soooper fan you are then OK, each to their own.

 

 

 

It isn't about the position Ian and you know it. OK maybe I chose that badly. Its about the ambition and drive. if we were finishing mid table with a clear plan, a strategy and owners, board planning for the future we would accept it.

We did with SBR for his first seasons.

This lot have no plan, no strategy..not for moving OUR club forward anyway. They don't wanna be here, and are taking the club backwards.

Both in terms of its image,its relationship with us and in playing terms too.

 

Shootings to good for the c***s imo.

 

I understand your position...whole heartedly disagree with you mind! But respect you as very good poster and clear NUFC fan.

 

Brett...well I ain't convinced he isn't wearing red and white stripes....

Never understood this one, you could equally argue it's superfan behaviour to want the manager out because we aren't challenging for our 'rightful positions'. I don't make that argument, but you see what I mean.

 

I know what you mean, I wasn't talking specifically about league position either really. But you get the point, from the outside it could look like "football fans being hard on a decent manager" or whatever.

 

I want more ambition for the club too, but what that means in practice is a much more complicated debate.

 

Agree to a point......

Iv'e simplified it mind...Not going anywhere near till this regime is gone... Hurts but I believe its the right thing to do.

 

[Guest reefatoon]

Pardew is a c***, Hughton is certainly a far better man, no question. However i don't split their managerial abilities as they are both out of their depth in this league regardless if Pardew finished 5th once and Hughton has had a couple of mid table finishes. It's clear as day that they both aren't good enough.

 

f***ing hell cracker barrel, that's exactly what you are doing.  Screaming for Hughton to get the sack, then not doing the same for a manager who is worse!  Stand back, wipe the rabid drool away from your mush, and see what a ball bag you sound.

No it's not, if Pardew got sacked it wouldn't bother me, i'd be very intrigued and very reserved to the fact that likely we will be appointing someone just as s*** if not worse than Pardew so I wouldn’t be getting my hopes up. If i had of known shouting for Hughton out would lead to a managerial appointment like Pardew, i would have never done that in the first place but i honestly believed we were going to upgrade once he was rid of. That optimism has now been sapped out of me and i only envision another awful appointment was Pardew to go.

 

So Pardew is getting your support because you are afraid we will bring in someone worse, even though he is proving a worse manager than the one you hounded out??  Again, you are an utter lunatic.

[Guest bimpy474]

I reckon they're going to sack Pardew fairly sharpish. After the Spurs game I think there's an International break & he'll be gone.

 

Hope you're right HV 

 

I'm more worried about the replacement but we've been into that.

 

I think we'll lose our next three, the latter two narrowly & Ashley will gamble. This is also to do with the media side of things as Pardew has A. Had a go at Ashley. B. Misunderstood the ban of the local papers.

 

& then the new manager has a few winnable games to bed in with.

 

I'm not daft enough to dismiss the risk, but i hope they take it. Reckon your scenario is quite accurate but the getting rid of Pardew is the one doubt.

 

I think there's a few things that are going against him now 

 

Llambias is no longer part of the equation

Pardew has criticised Ashley in public

Ashley will be looking for a scapegoat to draw attention from the protests.

 

So I can see him going soon, Ashley will be looking for an excuse.

 

Could it be if Pardew has the team outside a certain remit. That could trigger his sacking without too much compensation. Never know.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

So Pardew is getting your support because you are afraid we will bring in someone worse, even though he is proving a worse manager than the one you hounded out??  Again, you are an utter lunatic.

 

Is that really a contradiction though? Maybe Brett only now realises how unlikely it is that Ashley will appoint a good manager.