Alan Pardew

[Parky]

The French can't defend you only have to look at the debacle of the maginot line.

[midds]

We've scored less, lost more, won less and conceded more than ever. The performances have been so poor that I've considered jacking the season ticket in next year. His football is awful, doesn't entertain anyone and going to the game simply isn't enjoyable for me any more, I go more out of duty and a misguided obligation rather than in the expectation of, god forbid, seeing a Newcastle team attacking the opposition.

 

Not one player has improved in the last year, his tactics are cowardly, sterile and negative. His use of substitutions are as baffling as they are negative. The regression is results and performances has been shockingly bad, the squad and the players are going backwards at a rate of knots and the worrying thing is that Pardew looks helpless to stop it. One look at his CV shows that this pattern has been repeated elsewhere - start well, initial success followed by a tailing off process that ultimately ends in the sack.

 

I've lost all faith in him turning this around and I'd rather he wasn't allowed to take us further backwards than he already has done. It's a matter of 'when', not 'if' he goes now. This repair job is beyond him. If other have got more patience in him putting it right and getting us back in to top 6 or 7 next season then fair play, I've had enough though. 

 

I don't think there are many posters who wouldn't want Pardew sacked and replaced by a better manager if presented with that option; we're pretty much all in agreement this season has been a huge disappointment/underachievement. Just some of us don't go overboard with the Pardew criticism to the point of personal abuse or not accepting any mitigating circumstances, and acknowledge it is highly unlucky Ashley will sack Pardew (due to the stability guff they came out with a mere 8 months ago) and replace with a better manager (based on his track record in this area).

 

This bloke has come ridiculously close to relegating us. How much shitter does it have to get? Relegation would set us back years and this bloke very nearly achieved it this year. I'm aware of Ashley's track record of appointing managers but keeping the present incompetent boss purely because his replacement may be even worse is no argument at all.

 

Everyone accepts he's poor. Everyone accepts he's taking the club backwards but some want too keep him. I simply can't agree with the logic of persisting with a bloke who's universally regarded as being a poor manager. I'd rather Ashley rolled the dice tbh. 

[ChezGiven]

This is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard....well done.

 

So. In October it was clear that we played more long balls than anyone else.

 

Pardew was rightly criticized.

 

In the last 3 months we've played less long balls than all but a few teams. I take that as an improvement.

 

But Pardew is still criticised because even though we use much less long balls, those that we do use are poor quality.

 

Your complaint is not about the quantity of long balls but the quality?  You don't want him to play on the deck necessarily?

 

Less doesn't mean they are any better, and i dispute your stats, stats mean nothing and for to keep using them toward me is not going to work. They are still aimless punts which we dont win. We have a Cisse, so unsuited to a long ball aimed at him it's untrue, but yet we still persisited. Now i want us to play good football, possession football. That doesn't mean all tippy tappy, a mixture. Like i say, which you and your chums seem to be dismissing, a longer pass is fine, now if Andy Carroll say was up top i've no doubt he would turn a aimless long ball into a decent one. But i want us to play short, fast controlled possession football, with lots of movement.

 

Now this is where you have avoided answering, Pardew throughout his career has never got any of his team to do this, so why should he get anymore time. We are more than two years into his reign and our football has got worse and worse. He isn't going to change, Jesus our set pieces tell you all you need to know about his lack of imagination.

 

If he stays, we will continue to play boring, direct, non possession percentage football. Which might be slightly better if we sign a Andy Carroll type suited to it. But i, as someone who wanted him gone over 6 months ago because if there's anything i hate, it's poor football and that mate is exactly what Pardew gives you.

 

I don't think you have understood my posts. Sorry I've not been clearer.

 

Pardew has recently managed to get his team playing less long balls than almost all other teams in the league.

 

As they have started playing a more passing game results have also improved.

 

Given time, as the new players settle more and Pardew hopefully decides who will play where this interplay will hopefully improve.

 

It doesn't happen from one game to the next.  But in putting a stop to the goofball that we were playing the first step has been taken.

 

 

I accept we may have played less long passes. What you seem to not grasp. In some of those games we had less possession, obviously meaning less passing. Now you have to study every game in detail, for possession, for where that possession mainly was on the pitch. You can't factor that into an overall stat, the ones you are using.

 

In my post Chez, i would say with a hell a lot of arrogance, that i've no doubt i watch our games more than anyone else. I watch them over and over, if you did the same you would know that the stats you are using are just nonsense to what my eyes see and my rather educated football brain tell me.

Why add that second bit? An idiot can watch something over and over and still be an idiot. Your arrogance does you down, one thing i know about people is that the more they say they are clever, the less likely it is to be true.

 

Thats the second time i've seen this line or argument in this thread in 24 hours. 'You're wrong because i am cleverer than you'. Take it from me, its not working.

 

It's not about being clever, it's about common sense which you and HF seem not to have (in the watching us sense). You are both simply wrong. You deny what your eyes are telling you, yet want to believe stats that tell you nothing.

 

By the way, there's nothing personal in this, didn't want you to think it was. This is the place to discuss this stuff whatever your views.

Simply wrong about what? That the stats dont back up specific elements of the many criticisms that are put forward against Pardew? 'we dont create chances' yes we do, not amazing ones but we do and all teams statistics face the same anomalies so the rank will be preserved. About as factual as you can get. 'we just play it long all the time' - yes we did but the quantity fell (corresponding to a run of better results) which shows we dont play it long as much as we did and now less than other teams. About as factual as you can get.

 

What you got for me apart from how many hours you've left your wife frustrated upstairs whilst you watch re-runs of our game until 4am?

 

[Guest Dontooner]

Got a feeling some of the posters are preaching to make us better people in here.

 

Don't try to be too arrogant or clever

Don't go overboard with the criticism

 

Well we might need to repent...so wise...

[Guest bimpy474]

This is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard....well done.

 

So. In October it was clear that we played more long balls than anyone else.

 

Pardew was rightly criticized.

 

In the last 3 months we've played less long balls than all but a few teams. I take that as an improvement.

 

But Pardew is still criticised because even though we use much less long balls, those that we do use are poor quality.

 

Your complaint is not about the quantity of long balls but the quality?  You don't want him to play on the deck necessarily?

 

Less doesn't mean they are any better, and i dispute your stats, stats mean nothing and for to keep using them toward me is not going to work. They are still aimless punts which we dont win. We have a Cisse, so unsuited to a long ball aimed at him it's untrue, but yet we still persisited. Now i want us to play good football, possession football. That doesn't mean all tippy tappy, a mixture. Like i say, which you and your chums seem to be dismissing, a longer pass is fine, now if Andy Carroll say was up top i've no doubt he would turn a aimless long ball into a decent one. But i want us to play short, fast controlled possession football, with lots of movement.

 

Now this is where you have avoided answering, Pardew throughout his career has never got any of his team to do this, so why should he get anymore time. We are more than two years into his reign and our football has got worse and worse. He isn't going to change, Jesus our set pieces tell you all you need to know about his lack of imagination.

 

If he stays, we will continue to play boring, direct, non possession percentage football. Which might be slightly better if we sign a Andy Carroll type suited to it. But i, as someone who wanted him gone over 6 months ago because if there's anything i hate, it's poor football and that mate is exactly what Pardew gives you.

 

I don't think you have understood my posts. Sorry I've not been clearer.

 

Pardew has recently managed to get his team playing less long balls than almost all other teams in the league.

 

As they have started playing a more passing game results have also improved.

 

Given time, as the new players settle more and Pardew hopefully decides who will play where this interplay will hopefully improve.

 

It doesn't happen from one game to the next.  But in putting a stop to the goofball that we were playing the first step has been taken.

 

 

I accept we may have played less long passes. What you seem to not grasp. In some of those games we had less possession, obviously meaning less passing. Now you have to study every game in detail, for possession, for where that possession mainly was on the pitch. You can't factor that into an overall stat, the ones you are using.

 

In my post Chez, i would say with a hell a lot of arrogance, that i've no doubt i watch our games more than anyone else. I watch them over and over, if you did the same you would know that the stats you are using are just nonsense to what my eyes see and my rather educated football brain tell me.

Why add that second bit? An idiot can watch something over and over and still be an idiot. Your arrogance does you down, one thing i know about people is that the more they say they are clever, the less likely it is to be true.

 

Thats the second time i've seen this line or argument in this thread in 24 hours. 'You're wrong because i am cleverer than you'. Take it from me, its not working.

 

It's not about being clever, it's about common sense which you and HF seem not to have (in the watching us sense). You are both simply wrong. You deny what your eyes are telling you, yet want to believe stats that tell you nothing.

 

By the way, there's nothing personal in this, didn't want you to think it was. This is the place to discuss this stuff whatever your views.

Simply wrong about what? That the stats dont back up specific elements of the many criticisms that are put forward against Pardew? 'we dont create chances' yes we do, not amazing ones but we do and all teams statistics face the same anomalies so the rank will be preserved. About as factual as you can get. 'we just play it long all the time' - yes we did but the quantity fell (corresponding to a run of better results) which shows we dont play it long as much as we did and now less than other teams. About as factual as you can get.

 

What you got for me apart from how many hours you've left your wife frustrated upstairs whilst you watch re-runs of our game until 4am?

 

 

Haha Shall i tell him ?

[Parky]

[Happy Face]

We've scored less, lost more, won less and conceded more than ever. The performances have been so poor that I've considered jacking the season ticket in next year. His football is awful, doesn't entertain anyone and going to the game simply isn't enjoyable for me any more, I go more out of duty and a misguided obligation rather than in the expectation of, god forbid, seeing a Newcastle team attacking the opposition.

 

Not one player has improved in the last year, his tactics are cowardly, sterile and negative. His use of substitutions are as baffling as they are negative. The regression is results and performances has been shockingly bad, the squad and the players are going backwards at a rate of knots and the worrying thing is that Pardew looks helpless to stop it. One look at his CV shows that this pattern has been repeated elsewhere - start well, initial success followed by a tailing off process that ultimately ends in the sack.

 

I've lost all faith in him turning this around and I'd rather he wasn't allowed to take us further backwards than he already has done. It's a matter of 'when', not 'if' he goes now. This repair job is beyond him. If other have got more patience in him putting it right and getting us back in to top 6 or 7 next season then fair play, I've had enough though. 

 

No stats to back this up 

 

Restricting it to Premier League

 

We didn't score more in 1998, 2001, 2007, 2008 & 2009

We lost as many in 2009

We didn't win more in 1998, 1999, 2007,2008 or 2011

 

 

He's spot on that we've never conceded this many like

[Mick]

 

If you take those two results out, then things were. They were disgraceful enough to wipe out whatever progress had been made from before Christmas but up to that point it looked like things were improving.

 

If I've seen any improvement then it hasn't been anything to get excited about, do you not get sick of the shite he comes out with?

 

Personally, I think his negativity is as much of a problem with him regarding results as the way he sets us up.  We already know why we're not going to do well before a game because he tells us.

 

Do you tell people at work that they are going to fail when you set them a task and would you allow people who work for you to just do as they wish as some people seem to think the players do with Pardew?  I think I know how you would answer both.

[ChezGiven]

I remember reading something very funny about your wife, i may have picked up the wrong end of the stick.

 

She's not dead, is she? God, that would be awful.

[Guest bimpy474]

 

Perfect

[Unbelievable]

We've scored less, lost more, won less and conceded more than ever. The performances have been so poor that I've considered jacking the season ticket in next year. His football is awful, doesn't entertain anyone and going to the game simply isn't enjoyable for me any more, I go more out of duty and a misguided obligation rather than in the expectation of, god forbid, seeing a Newcastle team attacking the opposition.

 

Not one player has improved in the last year, his tactics are cowardly, sterile and negative. His use of substitutions are as baffling as they are negative. The regression is results and performances has been shockingly bad, the squad and the players are going backwards at a rate of knots and the worrying thing is that Pardew looks helpless to stop it. One look at his CV shows that this pattern has been repeated elsewhere - start well, initial success followed by a tailing off process that ultimately ends in the sack.

 

I've lost all faith in him turning this around and I'd rather he wasn't allowed to take us further backwards than he already has done. It's a matter of 'when', not 'if' he goes now. This repair job is beyond him. If other have got more patience in him putting it right and getting us back in to top 6 or 7 next season then fair play, I've had enough though. 

 

I don't think there are many posters who wouldn't want Pardew sacked and replaced by a better manager if presented with that option; we're pretty much all in agreement this season has been a huge disappointment/underachievement. Just some of us don't go overboard with the Pardew criticism to the point of personal abuse or not accepting any mitigating circumstances, and acknowledge it is highly unlucky Ashley will sack Pardew (due to the stability guff they came out with a mere 8 months ago) and replace with a better manager (based on his track record in this area).

 

This bloke has come ridiculously close to relegating us. How much shitter does it have to get? Relegation would set us back years and this bloke very nearly achieved it this year. I'm aware of Ashley's track record of appointing managers but keeping the present incompetent boss purely because his replacement may be even worse is no argument at all.

 

Everyone accepts he's poor. Everyone accepts he's taking the club backwards but some want too keep him. I simply can't agree with the logic of persisting with a bloke who's universally regarded as being a poor manager. I'd rather Ashley rolled the dice tbh. 

 

And I agree with you. I'd also rather he did. Even if I don't agree with you it couldn't get worse. He appointed Joe f***ing Kinnear for crying out loud. At least Pardew got us to 5th last season with a team heavily featuring the likes of Simpson, Williamson and Perch among some obviously more talented players.

 

However, as I have argued, it will not happen, as Ashley and Dekka are not prepared to save face so quickly after coming out with one of the longest contracts football has ever seen and presenting it as some sort of role model to rubbish other club's (and our previous owners) models.

[Guest bimpy474]

I remember reading something very funny about your wife, i may have picked up the wrong end of the stick.

 

She's not dead, is she? God, that would be awful.

 

No she not.....fuck me that made me chuckle for some reason.

 

She just a very big scary woman , who smells like a Viet Cong latrine as i once noted.

[Tiresias]

How do you know what a Viet Cong Latrine smells like anyway? 

[Guest bimpy474]

How do you know what a Viet Cong Latrine smells like anyway? 

 

Well she's so bad i would think it was something like that. You know rather hellish with a massive whiff of danger.

[Guest Dontooner]

I remember reading something very funny about your wife, i may have picked up the wrong end of the stick.

 

She's not dead, is she? God, that would be awful.

 

No she not.....f*** me that made me chuckle for some reason.

 

She just a very big scary woman , who smells like a Viet Cong latrine as i once noted.

Explains the scared silly monkey in your avatar..

[Mick]

 

 

Restricting it to Premier League

 

We didn't score more in 1998, 2001, 2007, 2008 & 2009

We lost as many in 2009

We didn't win more in 1998, 1999, 2007,2008 or 2011

 

 

He's spot on that we've never conceded this many like

 

 

Good job we've only got Arsenal at the weekend or we probably would beat the number of defeats in 2009.

[Guest bimpy474]

I remember reading something very funny about your wife, i may have picked up the wrong end of the stick.

 

She's not dead, is she? God, that would be awful.

 

No she not.....f*** me that made me chuckle for some reason.

 

She just a very big scary woman , who smells like a Viet Cong latrine as i once noted.

Explains the scared silly monkey in your avatar..

 

Yes, but i'd like to know who added the "It's a Pard knock life", because i didn't do it, but i love it

[Unbelievable]

The day we can close this thread will be a thing of beauty. I pray that the radio show cancellation is a good sign

 

The way we're going there will be a shiny new one before the players leave for their holidays..

[Dave]

Lose against Arsenal and it's more defeats than the relegation season. Away from home we've finished with just one more point than that season, having conceded more goals and having a worse GD. Our overall GD is currently worse than the relegation season.

 

Mint.

[Mike]

It's crazy how shit three other teams had to be to go down before us.

[Mick]

Lose against Arsenal and it's more defeats than the relegation season. Away from home we've finished with just one more point than that season, having conceded more goals and having a worse GD. Our overall GD is currently worse than the relegation season.

 

Mint.

 

I'm not sure why you can't get any positives out of that, you must try harder.

[Dave]

Lose against Arsenal and it's more defeats than the relegation season. Away from home we've finished with just one more point than that season, having conceded more goals and having a worse GD. Our overall GD is currently worse than the relegation season.

 

Mint.

 

I'm not sure why you can't get any positives out of that, you must try harder.

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/avs/avatar_4814_1368156833.gif

[Skeletor]

Lose against Arsenal and it's more defeats than the relegation season. Away from home we've finished with just one more point than that season, having conceded more goals and having a worse GD. Our overall GD is currently worse than the relegation season.

 

Mint.

 

I'm not sure why you can't get any positives out of that, you must try harder.

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/avs/avatar_4814_1368156833.gif

 

Best. GIF. Ever.

[midds]

We've scored less, lost more, won less and conceded more than ever. The performances have been so poor that I've considered jacking the season ticket in next year. His football is awful, doesn't entertain anyone and going to the game simply isn't enjoyable for me any more, I go more out of duty and a misguided obligation rather than in the expectation of, god forbid, seeing a Newcastle team attacking the opposition.

 

Not one player has improved in the last year, his tactics are cowardly, sterile and negative. His use of substitutions are as baffling as they are negative. The regression is results and performances has been shockingly bad, the squad and the players are going backwards at a rate of knots and the worrying thing is that Pardew looks helpless to stop it. One look at his CV shows that this pattern has been repeated elsewhere - start well, initial success followed by a tailing off process that ultimately ends in the sack.

 

I've lost all faith in him turning this around and I'd rather he wasn't allowed to take us further backwards than he already has done. It's a matter of 'when', not 'if' he goes now. This repair job is beyond him. If other have got more patience in him putting it right and getting us back in to top 6 or 7 next season then fair play, I've had enough though. 

 

I don't think there are many posters who wouldn't want Pardew sacked and replaced by a better manager if presented with that option; we're pretty much all in agreement this season has been a huge disappointment/underachievement. Just some of us don't go overboard with the Pardew criticism to the point of personal abuse or not accepting any mitigating circumstances, and acknowledge it is highly unlucky Ashley will sack Pardew (due to the stability guff they came out with a mere 8 months ago) and replace with a better manager (based on his track record in this area).

 

This bloke has come ridiculously close to relegating us. How much shitter does it have to get? Relegation would set us back years and this bloke very nearly achieved it this year. I'm aware of Ashley's track record of appointing managers but keeping the present incompetent boss purely because his replacement may be even worse is no argument at all.

 

Everyone accepts he's poor. Everyone accepts he's taking the club backwards but some want too keep him. I simply can't agree with the logic of persisting with a bloke who's universally regarded as being a poor manager. I'd rather Ashley rolled the dice tbh. 

 

And I agree with you. I'd also rather he did. Even if I don't agree with you it couldn't get worse. He appointed Joe f***ing Kinnear for crying out loud. At least Pardew got us to 5th last season with a team heavily featuring the likes of Simpson, Williamson and Perch among some obviously more talented players.

 

However, as I have argued, it will not happen, as Ashley and Dekka are not prepared to save face so quickly after coming it with one of the longest contracts football has ever seen and presenting it as some sort of role model to rubbish other club's (and our previous owners) models.

 

I don't expect him to lose his job as much as I'd like to see it. I've accepted he's going to get the chance to (mis)manage us next year much to my chagrin.

 

I've lost faith in him and another worry is that the players have lost faith in him too. We looked a completely demoralised, disillusioned and clueless XI in the last few home games. The body language was awful and they looked and played like they've given up on Pardew and what he was telling them. There was no reaction at all to the derby loss (that's a biggie imo) and can't see that getting better either. Remains to be seen what happens in the summer but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a few of them are looking to move on this summer, given the season we've all endured. If that happens we're plugging even more gaps and eventually we're going to run out of fingers. 

[Mike]

The day we can close this thread will be a thing of beauty. I pray that the radio show cancellation is a good sign

 

The way we're going there will be a shiny new one before the players leave for their holidays..

 

I don't think I can take it. I signed up at the wrong time. It must have been blissful during last season

 

I'm pretty sure we were bitching last year too.