Alan Pardew

[Interpolic]

Steve Howey was at it today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2398727/Alan-Pardew-hung-dry-Newcastle-says-Steve-Howey.html

 

Don't get me wrong, you could certainly argue that Pardew gets a rough deal on transfers to a degree, but it's as if these people don't watch the games and add 2 and 2 together to realise that the team really isn't the sum of its parts.  Disappointing, but that's the football world for you - people that see highlights of us and read the tabloids having their opinions held higher than people who watch the games every week.

[Guest bimpy474]

Steve Howey was at it today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2398727/Alan-Pardew-hung-dry-Newcastle-says-Steve-Howey.html

 

Don't get me wrong, you could certainly argue that Pardew gets a rough deal on transfers to a degree, but it's as if these people don't watch the games and add 2 and 2 together to realise that the team really isn't the sum of its parts.  Disappointing, but that's the football world for you - people that see highlights of us and read the tabloids having their opinions held higher than people who watch the games every week.

 

Pardew is well liked in the media which gives him a mental amount of wiggle room. Henry Winter on the Sunday Supplement last Sunday said he's a quality manager. Does Henry even watch us to come to that completely baffling conclusion. I dont think he could have.

[biggs]

OMFG 

Pards grows some balls

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10260856/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-tells-Yohan-Cabaye-he-is-going-nowhere.html

[Guest bimpy474]

OMFG 

Pards grows some balls

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10260856/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-tells-Yohan-Cabaye-he-is-going-nowhere.html

 

Sold then

[Ronaldo]

That's him off, then. Cabaye, I mean.

[jdckelly]

Steve Howey was at it today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2398727/Alan-Pardew-hung-dry-Newcastle-says-Steve-Howey.html

 

Don't get me wrong, you could certainly argue that Pardew gets a rough deal on transfers to a degree, but it's as if these people don't watch the games and add 2 and 2 together to realise that the team really isn't the sum of its parts.  Disappointing, but that's the football world for you - people that see highlights of us and read the tabloids having their opinions held higher than people who watch the games every week.

thing is though he is being hung out to dry, everyone here can agree this squad is at best horribly unbalanced at worst downright poor and Pardew is the one who has to take the flak for it. The squads a collection of individuals who in theory are reasonably talented but theres been no clear vision of the type of football thats expected to be played the only consideration taken is: 1 is he cheap 2 does he have massive resale value and thats no way at all to build a squad.

 

The manager has 0 input into what he has to work with every day, the guy who's supposed to have a side which reflects his football value has no say in the players being bought, what was very clear this summer is Pardew wanted a focus on the domestic market and a british core to be restored to a squad which is sorely lacking it. Instead he was ignored, potential bargains go elsewhere while our new glorious transfer guru the best director of football in the world (his words) probably goes out on the piss every night laughing while he counts down the days until he's back in the dugout.

 

So the club right now is a mix and match squad with 0 width, one senior striker we own worth even half a damn (who the club was in dispute for half the summer with) our only bit of creativity in the centre of the park wants to go somewhere else or Ashley wants him to go somewhere else for a large pile of cash, our other creative/potentially creative players both have a tendency to break rather easily, the few domestic players we do have are either kids, braindead or shola and our captain wanted to leave the club for 6 months! And lets not even get into the mess that is the administration of the club (just who the hell is actually running the club now that dekka's gone and how the hell did the one kinda sensible stable bit fall apart so quickly without him). Frankly I'd be shocked if any manager in the world could succeed under these bloody circumstances all created by one guy who really doesn't know what he's doing in football. 

[Pixelphish]

He is being hung out to dry but he put the washing line up himself, Ashley's just putting the pegs on the smarmy wanker.

[Weezertron]

Whats it say?

[Unbelievable]

Steve Howey was at it today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2398727/Alan-Pardew-hung-dry-Newcastle-says-Steve-Howey.html

 

Don't get me wrong, you could certainly argue that Pardew gets a rough deal on transfers to a degree, but it's as if these people don't watch the games and add 2 and 2 together to realise that the team really isn't the sum of its parts.  Disappointing, but that's the football world for you - people that see highlights of us and read the tabloids having their opinions held higher than people who watch the games every week.

thing is though he is being hung out to dry, everyone here can agree this squad is at best horribly unbalanced at worst downright poor and Pardew is the one who has to take the flak for it. The squads a collection of individuals who in theory are reasonably talented but theres been no clear vision of the type of football thats expected to be played the only consideration taken is: 1 is he cheap 2 does he have massive resale value and thats no way at all to build a squad.

 

The manager has 0 input into what he has to work with every day, the guy who's supposed to have a side which reflects his football value has no say in the players being bought, what was very clear this summer is Pardew wanted a focus on the domestic market and a british core to be restored to a squad which is sorely lacking it. Instead he was ignored, potential bargains go elsewhere while our new glorious transfer guru the best director of football in the world (his words) probably goes out on the p*ss every night laughing while he counts down the days until he's back in the dugout.

 

So the club right now is a mix and match squad with 0 width, one senior striker we own worth even half a damn (who the club was in dispute for half the summer with) our only bit of creativity in the centre of the park wants to go somewhere else or Ashley wants him to go somewhere else for a large pile of cash, our other creative/potentially creative players both have a tendency to break rather easily, the few domestic players we do have are either kids, braindead or shola and our captain wanted to leave the club for 6 months! And lets not even get into the mess that is the administration of the club (just who the hell is actually running the club now that dekka's gone and how the hell did the one kinda sensible stable bit fall apart so quickly without him). Frankly I'd be shocked if any manager in the world could succeed under these bloody circumstances all created by one guy who really doesn't know what he's doing in football. 

 

[Interpolic]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the shite served up.

[r0cafella]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the s**** served up.

 

Exactly with the squad we have I'd expect a top 10 finish personally

[Unbelievable]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the s**** served up.

 

The players are pretty good (if you ignore it's mainly just the first 11 and we're unlikely to see them play together often due to injuries, suspensions, etc), but that's like saying a motorcycle racer should be able to do well on an Arab race horse. Pardew's approach to football is simple and old fashioned, which would work well with a certain type of player, that is the complete opposite of what we have in the squad. There is a huge mismatch, which has been created beyond his control. The person responsible for the mismatch between manager and squad (qualitative and quantitative) is most responsible imho.

[Guest bimpy474]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the s**** served up.

 

The players are pretty good (if you ignore it's mainly just the first 11 and we're unlikely to see them play together often due to injuries, suspensions, etc), but that's like saying a motorcycle racer should be able to do well on an Arab race horse. Pardew's approach to football is simple and old fashioned, which would work well with a certain type of player, that is the complete opposite of what we have in the squad. There is a huge mismatch, which has been created beyond his control. The person responsible for the mismatch between manager and squad (qualitative and quantitive) is most responsible imho.

 

One way to look at it though, Pardew gets rid of Routledge, a decent winger (a very good one as we've all seen now) who can play down both flanks. Picks a player who is so crap in Obertan he's pointless and leaves the squad weaker. That one was Pardews fault.

[Interpolic]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the s**** served up.

 

The players are pretty good (if you ignore it's mainly just the first 11 and we're unlikely to see them play together often due to injuries, suspensions, etc), but that's like saying a motorcycle racer should be able to do well on an Arab race horse. Pardew's approach to football is simple and old fashioned, which would work well with a certain type of player, that is the complete opposite of what we have in the squad. There is a huge mismatch, which has been created beyond his control. The person responsible for the mismatch between manager and squad (qualitative and quantitive) is most responsible imho.

 

His football is completely and utterly out of date then, if he's not flexible enough to devise a style that in the least bit suits technical players then he doesn't deserve my sympathy, or your sympathy, or Steve Howey's sympathy, or the sympathy of the few football journalists with their tongue stuck halfway up his hoop.

[Guest bimpy474]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the s**** served up.

 

The players are pretty good (if you ignore it's mainly just the first 11 and we're unlikely to see them play together often due to injuries, suspensions, etc), but that's like saying a motorcycle racer should be able to do well on an Arab race horse. Pardew's approach to football is simple and old fashioned, which would work well with a certain type of player, that is the complete opposite of what we have in the squad. There is a huge mismatch, which has been created beyond his control. The person responsible for the mismatch between manager and squad (qualitative and quantitive) is most responsible imho.

 

His football is completely and utterly out of date then, if he's not flexible enough to devise a style that in the least bit suits technical players then he doesn't deserve my sympathy, or your sympathy, or Steve Howey's sympathy, or the sympathy of the few football journalists with their tongue stuck halfway up his hoop.

 

Yep. The squad is crying out for a different system and style, yet Pardew continues to try to put ill fitting players in an ill fitting system and style. We can all see we need to change from 4-2-3-1 with the players we have but Pardew still cant see it after 8 months.

[Unbelievable]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the s**** served up.

 

The players are pretty good (if you ignore it's mainly just the first 11 and we're unlikely to see them play together often due to injuries, suspensions, etc), but that's like saying a motorcycle racer should be able to do well on an Arab race horse. Pardew's approach to football is simple and old fashioned, which would work well with a certain type of player, that is the complete opposite of what we have in the squad. There is a huge mismatch, which has been created beyond his control. The person responsible for the mismatch between manager and squad (qualitative and quantitive) is most responsible imho.

 

His football is completely and utterly out of date then, if he's not flexible enough to devise a style that in the least bit suits technical players then he doesn't deserve my sympathy, or your sympathy, or Steve Howey's sympathy, or the sympathy of the few football journalists with their tongue stuck halfway up his hoop.

 

I don't think his football is out of date per se, it's just less pleasing on the eye mainly, and due to the influx of foreign players and managers it has given way to a more technical and exotic approach. There are still plenty of managers of his ilk in the Premiership and other English leagues - we are facing one this weekend for instance.

 

I'm not advocating we should keep Pardew and give him free reign to sign whoever he likes by the way - I want him gone too because I don't think he can turn this thing around with the squad we have, and I do feel a different type of manager would be better suited. I do have some sympathy for him though, because I understand what it feels like when you have been hired to do a certain task, but are not given the instruments you require to get the job done.

[jdckelly]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the shite served up.

I'm of the opinion that the squad isn't as good as some like to believe. Theres the basis of a good squad but its sorely lacking in key area's. Our full backs all to one extent or another (excluding dummet from this due to lack of seeing him play yet) can't defend. And aren't all that great at attacking either. This leaves gaping holes side's can exploit to their hearts content (were I West Ham this coming saturday I'd be specifically targeting Debuchy and wait for him to do something stupid) Colo's a very good cb but not a complete one, he struggles badly against really pacey players and really physical frontmen and none of our other cbs really cover that weakness. Taylor's the closest to covering them but he lacks a functional brain while MYM could cope with pace I'd be very hesitant to put him and colo together against the strong strikers of the league.

 

Cabaye is a very good central midfielder and our key creative player, pity he wants to go. Tiote's forgotten how to play football and just picks up yellow cards for a living now. Sissoko hasn't demonstrated much creativity yet and seems mainly to keep things ticking over and win the ball, but thats what Tiote's supposed to do as well (in theory). Anita hasn't coped with the physical side of the prem at all.

 

None of our wingers (or players we assign to play on the wing because we have no one else) have much natural width or the real killer pace to get behind defences, not slow mind you just lacking the real cutting edge of pace. HBA can be unplayable on his day but he keeps getting injured and it takes time to get going at full ability once he's back, or he gets injured again. Marveaux is just kind of there, decent passer could be quite creative but hasn't been able to get a run together of consistent performances and picks up injuries as well.

 

And finally our strike force oh boy our strike force. Cisse, good enough in the box but last season missed several very scorable chances. Also can't stay onside or be useful in any way at all outside the box. Everything has to be completely laid on a plate for him which is not always possible which leaves us with a problem against the top sides. Shola is fucking Shola. Gouffrans been used on the wing (for lack of anyone else to put there) and is no good there. Not seen him as a striker enough to judge. Remy I'm ignoring as he hasn't played for us yet but one point, our one summer signing is a loan of a guy who turned us down for relegation certs 6 months ago and is probably only here because no one else would touch him with the court case hanging over him and he could potentially go to prison half way through the season!

[Unbelievable]

Another excellent post. People appear blinded by their hatred for Pardew and they can't see the wood for the trees. He's not our only problem, nor is he our biggest. We have a squad that lacks numbers and quality and that mismatches our manager's style of play. On top of that we have an owner who doesn't give a fuck, and a Director of Football who is utterly clueless and only after the manager's job. And then we are surprised and point to the manager when things don't go to plan..

[Dokko]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the shite served up.

I'm of the opinion that the squad isn't as good as some like to believe. Theres the basis of a good squad but its sorely lacking in key area's. Our full backs all to one extent or another (excluding dummet from this due to lack of seeing him play yet) can't defend. And aren't all that great at attacking either. This leaves gaping holes side's can exploit to their hearts content (were I West Ham this coming saturday I'd be specifically targeting Debuchy and wait for him to do something stupid) Colo's a very good cb but not a complete one, he struggles badly against really pacey players and really physical frontmen and none of our other cbs really cover that weakness. Taylor's the closest to covering them but he lacks a functional brain while MYM could cope with pace I'd be very hesitant to put him and colo together against the strong strikers of the league.

 

Cabaye is a very good central midfielder and our key creative player, pity he wants to go. Tiote's forgotten how to play football and just picks up yellow cards for a living now. Sissoko hasn't demonstrated much creativity yet and seems mainly to keep things ticking over and win the ball, but thats what Tiote's supposed to do as well (in theory). Anita hasn't coped with the physical side of the prem at all.

 

None of our wingers (or players we assign to play on the wing because we have no one else) have much natural width or the real killer pace to get behind defences, not slow mind you just lacking the real cutting edge of pace. HBA can be unplayable on his day but he keeps getting injured and it takes time to get going at full ability once he's back, or he gets injured again. Marveaux is just kind of there, decent passer could be quite creative but hasn't been able to get a run together of consistent performances and picks up injuries as well.

 

And finally our strike force oh boy our strike force. Cisse, good enough in the box but last season missed several very scorable chances. Also can't stay onside or be useful in any way at all outside the box. Everything has to be completely laid on a plate for him which is not always possible which leaves us with a problem against the top sides. Shola is fucking Shola. Gouffrans been used on the wing (for lack of anyone else to put there) and is no good there. Not seen him as a striker enough to judge. Remy I'm ignoring as he hasn't played for us yet but one point, our one summer signing is a loan of a guy who turned us down for relegation certs 6 months ago and is probably only here because no one else would touch him with the court case hanging over him and he could potentially go to prison half way through the season!

 

Yep, Pardew is a cunt.

[Beren]

I don't think our full backs can't defend - Pardew just hasn't been able to construct a new competent defensive unit now that the decent one he inherited is no longer there, despite having more gifted personnel.

 

Think similar things are true of a lot of the above comments IMO.

[Unbelievable]

I don't think our full backs can't defend - Pardew just hasn't been able to construct a new competent defensive unit now that the decent one he inherited is no longer there, despite having more gifted personnel.

 

Think similar things are true of a lot of the above comments IMO.

 

The underlined bit is a fair point. I don't think Santon and Debuchy in particular are as good as they are made out to be though. Santon still has a lot to learn, mainly about the defensive side of the game, and Debuchy is having huge trouble adapting to a new league. I would say the two of them are distinctly midtable at best for now.

[Ronaldo]

Santon can be very decent at defending, but he's seriously prone to concentrational lapses.

[Interpolic]

He should do miles better with the players available to him, howay.  There are a few positions where we're not too strong but that's no excuse for the shite served up.

I'm of the opinion that the squad isn't as good as some like to believe. Theres the basis of a good squad but its sorely lacking in key area's. Our full backs all to one extent or another (excluding dummet from this due to lack of seeing him play yet) can't defend. And aren't all that great at attacking either. This leaves gaping holes side's can exploit to their hearts content (were I West Ham this coming saturday I'd be specifically targeting Debuchy and wait for him to do something stupid) Colo's a very good cb but not a complete one, he struggles badly against really pacey players and really physical frontmen and none of our other cbs really cover that weakness. Taylor's the closest to covering them but he lacks a functional brain while MYM could cope with pace I'd be very hesitant to put him and colo together against the strong strikers of the league.

 

Cabaye is a very good central midfielder and our key creative player, pity he wants to go. Tiote's forgotten how to play football and just picks up yellow cards for a living now. Sissoko hasn't demonstrated much creativity yet and seems mainly to keep things ticking over and win the ball, but thats what Tiote's supposed to do as well (in theory). Anita hasn't coped with the physical side of the prem at all.

 

None of our wingers (or players we assign to play on the wing because we have no one else) have much natural width or the real killer pace to get behind defences, not slow mind you just lacking the real cutting edge of pace. HBA can be unplayable on his day but he keeps getting injured and it takes time to get going at full ability once he's back, or he gets injured again. Marveaux is just kind of there, decent passer could be quite creative but hasn't been able to get a run together of consistent performances and picks up injuries as well.

 

And finally our strike force oh boy our strike force. Cisse, good enough in the box but last season missed several very scorable chances. Also can't stay onside or be useful in any way at all outside the box. Everything has to be completely laid on a plate for him which is not always possible which leaves us with a problem against the top sides. Shola is fucking Shola. Gouffrans been used on the wing (for lack of anyone else to put there) and is no good there. Not seen him as a striker enough to judge. Remy I'm ignoring as he hasn't played for us yet but one point, our one summer signing is a loan of a guy who turned us down for relegation certs 6 months ago and is probably only here because no one else would touch him with the court case hanging over him and he could potentially go to prison half way through the season!

 

Another excellent post. People appear blinded by their hatred for Pardew and they can't see the wood for the trees.

 

Tbh I see what you're getting at to a degree, some of our squad are overrated.  But this is a debate that will never go anywhere because we've never seen this squad play under another manager.  I'm firmly of the opinion that the players are playing miles below their ability because he's treating apples like oranges, he's trying to play cautious tedium-ball with players that are not well suited for it.  The squad is what it is, he's not going to get Allardyce results from players that aren't suited to Allardyce-type football, as Allardyce found out ironically enough when he tried to hoof the ball up to Martins and Owen when he was here.

 

But Unbelievable!, you're totally contradicting yourself here, "People appear blinded by their hatred for Pardew and they can't see the wood for the trees" when in your very last post you said that you'd like to see them under another manager and that Pardew's on a hiding to nothing with players that don't suit his style.  I'm not blinded by my hatred of Pardew at all personally, I recognise that the squad isn't perfect but we're not even getting mediocre performances out of them at the minute.

[Unbelievable]

Santon can be very decent at defending, but he's seriously prone to concentrational lapses.

 

Well yes, but that's a part of being a good defender too, isn't it? I know you and I have a similar opinion on Bramble when he was an NUFC player, in that he could look brilliant and commanding for stretches. But then the inevitable lapse of concentration would happen and all the good work would be undone. Lapses of concentration often cost goals, and goals costs points, or going through in cups. It's a pretty major flaw for a defender in all honesty.

[jdckelly]

I don't think our full backs can't defend - Pardew just hasn't been able to construct a new competent defensive unit now that the decent one he inherited is no longer there, despite having more gifted personnel.

 

Think similar things are true of a lot of the above comments IMO.

Santons the best defender of the 3 of them and he's had several brain dead moments which have cost us. Haidara's a kid and still learning and Debuchy the seasoned pro the french international rb has demonstrated no knowledge of defending at all. Not even a hint of it. In fact has demonstrated more of an ability to gift the opposition chances or penalties. He should not need a manager to hold his hand and tell him not to lunge or take risky chances near our box. Tiote shouldn't need a manager to tell him not to recklessly tackle the opposition, Cisse shouldn't need someone to teach him the basics of the offside rule. They should know this stuff already, many of them are internationals they're all highly paid professionals they should have the basic desire to learn to cut out these school boy errors without someone needing to hold their hand and tell them exactly what to do.