Foluwashola Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 "All he has to do is pick the team" is just a throw away term used when a manager's success is what it is primarily because of the players at his disposal, it obviously isn't a suggestion that that is, in a literal sense, all he has to do. You have to assume that he has at least the basic abilities, roles and responsibilities of a football manager. Is 'throw away term' synonymous with 'utter bollocks'? I'm not getting carried away with the villa performance. Pardew still has a shitload of graft to do to make up for last seasons shambles, but some of the tripe that continues to be spouted in order to criticise him is ridiculous. More embarrassing than the tripe Pardew himself comes out with. Tripe. Not that I know of, like. As for the rest, what tripe get's used to critisise him? He's a poor football manager (relative to the club he's in charge of) who has a few very good players at his disposal. If you disagree then please explain why. Howay man Hans. There have been vast swathes of tripe spouted. What you have said there isn't tripe, although I would argue he is an average manager. Kaka's post was one that can be placed in the tripe section of the Venn diagram. If I had the time before Pointless I could present whole collage of tripe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Foluwashola you lacked the mental maturity to appreciate my post. Enough people appreciated my point so I am quite satisfied with it. If I had to specifically point out that it his team selection was ultimately undoing anything else worthwhile he might be doing then I pity you. As a grown up you should be able to infer certain things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Dunno about anyone else but i certainly blame Pardew for the crap football, and any excuses for it are utter nonsense. Europa, fatigue, not buying in the summer are all nonsense in regard to how the team passes the football (with the squad we had/have). If i can get a team of vegetables to pass a football around on a Sunday morning, a professional football manager should be able to get a team full of internationals to at least resemble a passing team. Something Pardew failed to do throughout the whole of last season, except for maybe 3 or 4 games. Saying that, he then certainly deserves the credit for getting the team to play decent attacking football like we played against Villa. And funnily enough he did that with just the addition of Remy, hence my reasons for calling the excuses trotted out as nonsense. He could have done the same last season but for reasons we are all arguing about, but the pillock didn't, adding Remy is not a good enough reason to use, to claim that's why we haven't been to attacking. He claims he had no Ba as the reason for it (we have Remy now), yet we still played awful football with him in the team and Pardew even dropped him for the Everton game. So again the excuses are total bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Before Remy got up to scratch, and Cabaye returned, he could have had Gouffran start on the left, and Marveux just behind Cisse, with everything else as is. Would we looked as good as yesterday? Probably not, but we would have looked a damn sight better, and been more effective than we were with bloody Shola starting up front with Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Foluwashola you lacked the mental maturity to appreciate my post. Enough people appreciated my point so I am quite satisfied with it. If I had to specifically point out that it his team selection was ultimately undoing anything else worthwhile he might be doing then I pity you. As a grown up you should be able to infer certain things. Get in. You said, and I quote, "All Pardew has to do is pick the right ones, in the correct positions, and we'll play well. Literally all he has to do". If you genuinely believe football management is such a basic science its nay wonder you're incandescent after every defeat. It's not even true that team selection was the main issue. The whole set-up was wrong. Formation, style of play, set pieces etc. It was clear the issues laid in training and how the team was set up. Team selection was massively effected by injuries (oh noe, he saids it) so was always going to be a case of trial and error. Pretty much all error like. Not sure why it bothers me, but your posts are all awful. Sure you use a proper suicidal Google translate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Foluwashola you lacked the mental maturity to appreciate my post. Enough people appreciated my point so I am quite satisfied with it. If I had to specifically point out that it his team selection was ultimately undoing anything else worthwhile he might be doing then I pity you. As a grown up you should be able to infer certain things. Not sure why it bothers me, but your posts are all awful. Sure you use a proper suicidal Google translate. Well done Such an idiotic post. (and I'm not referring to Kaka's) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Can't believe i'm still reading Pardew negativity, he couldn't have done anymore on Saturday. A lot on here were slating him midweek onwards saying Taylor would be back in regardless of clean sheets, Anita would be out for Tiote, Remy won't play when Jonas is fit. It's a load of s**** man. He got everything spot on, i was ridiculed on here for taking drugs when i said as soon as Remy would be fit, we would go back to 4-3-3 in the formation we had with Ba yet that's exactly we have done as soon as he had a full squad to choose from, which has been the first time in a long time. This is all we did when finished 5th, got off to a good start and maintained that run of form, Pardew is capable of doing that. People around the country were just waiting for us to fall back down to mid table mediocrity but it never happened, we just kept going. Pardew has problems when things turn sour because he isn't really a good manager, but with this side in form, he's capable of having another good season regardless if people hate him or not. Yes it was just the one game on Saturday where it all came together, but you could see over the past few games we were slowly getting it all together and it's a joy to see now . Hopefully more and more fans will start to turn their heads around and realise we are actually building something special here and get behind it. The negativity has nothing to do with this weekend, I'm sure everybody is happy for a change. The hype following that performance is far too early and that shouldn't need pointing out but it clearly does. Yeah i can certainly see why the doubters don't want to get excited just yet, i'm pretty sure they will stand up soon though and start to take notice of what we actually have here. Laughing at yourself, I guess you now know how we feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Can't believe i'm still reading Pardew negativity, he couldn't have done anymore on Saturday. A lot on here were slating him midweek onwards saying Taylor would be back in regardless of clean sheets, Anita would be out for Tiote, Remy won't play when Jonas is fit. It's a load of s**** man. He got everything spot on, i was ridiculed on here for taking drugs when i said as soon as Remy would be fit, we would go back to 4-3-3 in the formation we had with Ba yet that's exactly we have done as soon as he had a full squad to choose from, which has been the first time in a long time. This is all we did when finished 5th, got off to a good start and maintained that run of form, Pardew is capable of doing that. People around the country were just waiting for us to fall back down to mid table mediocrity but it never happened, we just kept going. Pardew has problems when things turn sour because he isn't really a good manager, but with this side in form, he's capable of having another good season regardless if people hate him or not. Yes it was just the one game on Saturday where it all came together, but you could see over the past few games we were slowly getting it all together and it's a joy to see now . Hopefully more and more fans will start to turn their heads around and realise we are actually building something special here and get behind it. The negativity has nothing to do with this weekend, I'm sure everybody is happy for a change. The hype following that performance is far too early and that shouldn't need pointing out but it clearly does. Yeah i can certainly see why the doubters don't want to get excited just yet, i'm pretty sure they will stand up soon though and start to take notice of what we actually have here. Laughing at yourself, I guess you now know how we feel. I was actually laughing at the fact you posted that comment, then about half an hour later, quoted my same post and wrote the same comment again, should have posted Dejavu with my smiley but nevermind....carry on Mikey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Some of the Pardew sympathisers are clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Dunno about anyone else but i certainly blame Pardew for the crap football, and any excuses for it are utter nonsense. Europa, fatigue, not buying in the summer are all nonsense in regard to how the team passes the football (with the squad we had/have). If i can get a team of vegetables to pass a football around on a Sunday morning, a professional football manager should be able to get a team full of internationals to at least resemble a passing team. Something Pardew failed to do throughout the whole of last season, except for maybe 3 or 4 games. Saying that, he then certainly deserves the credit for getting the team to play decent attacking football like we played against Villa. And funnily enough he did that with just the addition of Remy, hence my reasons for calling the excuses trotted out as nonsense. He could have done the same last season but for reasons we are all arguing about but the pillock didn't, adding Remy is not a good enough reason to use, to claim that's why we haven't been to attacking. He claims he had no Ba as the reason for it (we have Remy now), yet we still played awful football with him in the team and Pardew even dropped him for the Everton game. So again the excuses are total bollocks. Bimpy man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Can't believe i'm still reading Pardew negativity, he couldn't have done anymore on Saturday. A lot on here were slating him midweek onwards saying Taylor would be back in regardless of clean sheets, Anita would be out for Tiote, Remy won't play when Jonas is fit. It's a load of s**** man. He got everything spot on, i was ridiculed on here for taking drugs when i said as soon as Remy would be fit, we would go back to 4-3-3 in the formation we had with Ba yet that's exactly we have done as soon as he had a full squad to choose from, which has been the first time in a long time. This is all we did when finished 5th, got off to a good start and maintained that run of form, Pardew is capable of doing that. People around the country were just waiting for us to fall back down to mid table mediocrity but it never happened, we just kept going. Pardew has problems when things turn sour because he isn't really a good manager, but with this side in form, he's capable of having another good season regardless if people hate him or not. Yes it was just the one game on Saturday where it all came together, but you could see over the past few games we were slowly getting it all together and it's a joy to see now . Hopefully more and more fans will start to turn their heads around and realise we are actually building something special here and get behind it. The negativity has nothing to do with this weekend, I'm sure everybody is happy for a change. The hype following that performance is far too early and that shouldn't need pointing out but it clearly does. Yeah i can certainly see why the doubters don't want to get excited just yet, i'm pretty sure they will stand up soon though and start to take notice of what we actually have here. The arrogance and sheer stupidty of that sentence is astounding Brett, honestly while i know you're being a bit tounge in cheek. Come on man, surely you dont really think that supporters especially on here dont know what they have (opinions differ obviously) in their own beloved team. That sentence just ignores every argument/reasoning put forward as to why they aren't over excited just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 The arrogance and sheer stupidty of that sentence is astounding Brett, honestly while i know you're being a bit tounge in cheek. Come on man, surely you dont really think that supporters espeically on here dont know what they have (opinions differ obviously) in their own beloved team. That sentence just ignores every argument/reasoning put forward as to why they aren't over excited just yet. That after beating one of the two teams we beat away from home last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Some of the Pardew sympathisers are clueless. Expand pls. Bar Brett, who has had a bit too much acid since the Villa win, I can't see anyone who could possibly be classed as a Pardew sympathiser (tragic description, btw) acting particularly clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 The arrogance and sheer stupidty of that sentence is astounding Brett, honestly while i know you're being a bit tounge in cheek. Come on man, surely you dont really think that supporters espeically on here dont know what they have (opinions differ obviously) in their own beloved team. That sentence just ignores every argument/reasoning put forward as to why they aren't over excited just yet. That after beating one of the two teams we beat away from home last season. I got no problem with Brett being happy and excited, even over excited as he seems to be which is actually quite a nice thing to see, but that sentence, it's just so wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Think we need to tone down the Pardew praise for a while lads. I've said it already, but lads like Brett, who've taken a bit of a battering, are dying to throw things back in people's faces. Now is not the right time to even be attempting that. It's very early days. Giz a break man, i'm enjoying my moment, might only last a week It's not your moment, man. You look f***ing stupid, and will look even worse if it all goes to s*** again. Just enjoy it, and hope it lasts. Keep doubting lad, keep doubting, more people pretend to themselves this is a one off, the more i will revel in our future success. Not even sure Saturday's win would have felt as good without all you guys Doubt what, man? I'm one of the few who thought there was a remote possibility of him turning it round. You're spoiling it for the rest of us. My sense of identity is all over the place now, I'm siding with Dave and SanToon. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 State of this thread man: http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Made+a+total+of+20+gifs+from+Mass+defect+_dfe15eb1a2785c97e31aeb3800501645.gif He's been shit for ages; did ok on saturday. Hints towards him having the possibility of not being as shit as we thought. That's about all you can say at press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 State of this thread man: http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Made+a+total+of+20+gifs+from+Mass+defect+_dfe15eb1a2785c97e31aeb3800501645.gif He's been shit for ages; did ok on saturday. Hints towards him having the possibility of not being as shit as we thought. That's about all you can say at press. or- had a good season, but wasnt backed when we had the extra workload of the europa. Depsite this did well to get to the quater finals, though league form and performances suffered. Board then decided to do something and invested heavily in January. Now those players have had a pre season, and pardew has them on the training pitch midweek instead of travelling- we will do better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 4 games into the season and 7 points. A bit early for I told you so hubris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 State of this thread man: http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Made+a+total+of+20+gifs+from+Mass+defect+_dfe15eb1a2785c97e31aeb3800501645.gif He's been shit for ages; did ok on saturday. Hints towards him having the possibility of not being as shit as we thought. That's about all you can say at press. or- had a good season, but wasnt backed when we had the extra workload of the europa. Depsite this did well to get to the quater finals, though league form and performances suffered. Board then decided to do something and invested heavily in January. Now those players have had a pre season, and pardew has them on the training pitch midweek instead of travelling- we will do better? Easily forgotten or brushed over in amongst much justified criticism of the way we played last season. We got to the last eight of a European competition which we came out of with heads held high and in fairness he had to outplay a couple of very astute top coaches along the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 4 games into the season and 7 points. A bit early for I told you so hubris. Indeed. We scraped passed a Fulham side that couldn't find their arse with both hands, and whilst our performance against Villa was a massive improvement, they are still Villa so you're bound to get chances. Time to judge is 10-12 games in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 State of this thread man: http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Made+a+total+of+20+gifs+from+Mass+defect+_dfe15eb1a2785c97e31aeb3800501645.gif He's been shit for ages; did ok on saturday. Hints towards him having the possibility of not being as shit as we thought. That's about all you can say at press. or- had a good season, but wasnt backed when we had the extra workload of the europa. Depsite this did well to get to the quater finals, though league form and performances suffered. Board then decided to do something and invested heavily in January. Now those players have had a pre season, and pardew has them on the training pitch midweek instead of travelling- we will do better? He overplayed the effect of the Europa league embarrassingly so. The panic signings are fair comment perhaps but it's far too early. Ive given him some credit for the Villa game fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 So in the past few pages Pardew has been compared to Alex Ferguson, somebody has said that saturday was everything they had ever dreamed of and Ian W and Inochi have slapped down people for being too positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 So in the past few pages Pardew has been compared to Alex Ferguson, somebody has said that saturday was everything they had ever dreamed of and Ian W and Inochi have slapped down people for being too positive. http://24.media.tumblr.com/bafbc693f5e66d4adc9cc3b54e730221/tumblr_mr53bud9Am1s0xrqjo1_500.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 this thread will be great as we hang around the middle of the table and things could go either way. A couple of losses and jonas/ shola getting on, and the Haters will be having our arses The hoofmeister general is back.... a couple of wins and some football and the sympathisers will be getting a hard on........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Surely the whole forum will be happy though if the second part is true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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