biggs Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What gets me is the total "come on a give it to me baby" first half,bigging up WBA and Cardiff for giving it a go and he does an about turn with us setting out 3 in my eyes defensive midfielders and switching HBA to left side to keep an eye on Baines while our first choice defensive line up show how not to defend in 45 mins.He is all thats wrong with this club a spineless weak man with no backbone and no tactical know how ,he said in the summer we gave teams too much respect and yet he reverted to type again yesterday being so afraid of defeat he puts a negativer team out with zero creation until second half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 That first half yesterday......Jesus. Our defending was beyond contempt. Up front I can almost forgive AP for starting HBA on the left, it did put him up against their weaker full back (who played a blinder as it turned out). But when Baines picked up an early yellow card there was a god given opportunity for AP to at least try and swap HBA to our right and let him have a run at Baines, who had no lifelines left. But f*ck it he didn't... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 That first half yesterday......Jesus. Our defending was beyond contempt. Up front I can almost forgive AP for starting HBA on the left, it did put him up against their weaker full back (who played a blinder as it turned out). But when Baines picked up an early yellow card there was a god given opportunity for AP to at least try and swap HBA to our right and let him have a run at Baines, who had no lifelines left. But f*ck it he didn't... I said to my mate that it was the right time to swap the wingers over, it was definitely worth doing once Baines was booked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatBeardo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 That first half yesterday......Jesus. Our defending was beyond contempt. Up front I can almost forgive AP for starting HBA on the left, it did put him up against their weaker full back (who played a blinder as it turned out). But when Baines picked up an early yellow card there was a god given opportunity for AP to at least try and swap HBA to our right and let him have a run at Baines, who had no lifelines left. But f*ck it he didn't... The reason Ben Arfa was switched to the opposite side to Baines wasn't because Baines is a better defender though, it was because Baines is a better attacker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Isn't this something that sums Pardew up, he doesn't see those sort of things. That's why he gets called limited all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 That first half yesterday......Jesus. Our defending was beyond contempt. Up front I can almost forgive AP for starting HBA on the left, it did put him up against their weaker full back (who played a blinder as it turned out). But when Baines picked up an early yellow card there was a god given opportunity for AP to at least try and swap HBA to our right and let him have a run at Baines, who had no lifelines left. But f*ck it he didn't... The reason Ben Arfa was switched to the opposite side to Baines wasn't because Baines is a better defender though, it was because Baines is a better attacker. You may well be right, I don't think any of us know for sure what the thinking was. But I still suggest that once Baines got the early yellow card there was an opportunity to put some additional pressure on him by sticking HBA on our right flank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatBeardo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 That first half yesterday......Jesus. Our defending was beyond contempt. Up front I can almost forgive AP for starting HBA on the left, it did put him up against their weaker full back (who played a blinder as it turned out). But when Baines picked up an early yellow card there was a god given opportunity for AP to at least try and swap HBA to our right and let him have a run at Baines, who had no lifelines left. But f*ck it he didn't... The reason Ben Arfa was switched to the opposite side to Baines wasn't because Baines is a better defender though, it was because Baines is a better attacker. You may well be right, I don't think any of us know for sure what the thinking was. But I still suggest that once Baines got the early yellow card there was an opportunity to put some additional pressure on him by sticking HBA on our right flank. It's a fair point, especially since it clearly wasn't working the way we had started the game. It might even have helped stop Baines getting forward so much if he had to worry about Ben Arfa going in the other direction. But I don't think it was too bad a decision to leave Ben Arfa over on the left after the way we have been defending on that right side recently, and considering how good Baines has been going forward recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He forgot that Mirallas and Coleman are pretty good going forward too I take it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Albeit only 6 games in, we are playing worse than last season (actually and statistically) and currently sit in 16th, where we finished last season, with no Europa or extra games in the summer as an excuse. Stats: Average Goals Scored Per Game: 2011/2012 1.47 2012/2013 1.18 2013/2014 1.17 Average Goals Conceded Per Game: 2011/2012 1.34 2012/2013 1.79 2013/2014 1.83 (at this rate nearly 70 goals over a season!) All the stats are going in the wrong direction. Surely its only a matter of time. We've had a lot of stats thrown at us recently and none of them have meant a damned thing because they took only a small part of the game in isolation. The point of this game is to score more goals than the opposition and ultimately get more points than the opposition. I hate stats, they just don't show the full picture of a complex dance which is a football match. Over time, as the sample size increases, there may be broad conclusions you can draw from the raw numbers taken in concert with each other but they will never replace what you see with your own eyes. We are football fans, not mathematicians. Numbers can never replicate the depth of understanding we get from just watching a game. How do you blend together a stat on long balls played with shots on target with aerial duels won with tackles made in the defensive third with number of corners with pass completion with number of offsides with number of foul throws with number of dogs on the pitch? You can't. And yet that's what we do every time we watch a game. There is no number that can tell you the picture yet there are hundreds of thousands of fans who have assessed every little thing you have calculated and more, blended them in a way you will never be able to and reached a conclusion based on all the evidence, not just a select sample. We don't need numbers to tell us what we're seeing. I complete agree. However the numbers don't lie either, they confirm what we are seeing. Things are going south and the useless manager we have, who likes stats btw, cannot see it or more importantly do anything about it. Yes there are thousands of fans that see it and only a minority who are prepared to stand up and say anything about it. Unless of course you frequent places like this where opinion is more aligned to mine and yours shared belief we are fucking shit, up shit creak and have no paddle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 'Mr Newcastle' has been speaking to the media.... http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-manager-alan-pardew-knows-2328080? Newcastle manager Alan Pardew 'knows he's on borrowed time and sack is inevitable' 1 Oct 2013 22:30 Supporters' group spokesman and fanzine editor Steve Wraith claims Toon Army expect director of football Kinnear to take over Alan Pardew is on borrowed time at Newcastle – and knows it, according to one influential Magpies fan. Steve Wraith, the spokesman for the NUFC Fans United Group and editor of the club's No.9 fanzine, claims Pardew believes it is "inevitable" that director of football Joe Kinnear will take over as the Toon's manager. Newcastle were awful in the first half as they lost 3-2 to Everton on Monday, and a third successive league defeat - against Cardiff on Saturday - could spell the end of Pardew's three-year reign at St James’ Park. Who'll be the next Prem boss sacked? Place your bets HERE with Paddy Power Wraith claims his fellow fans feel sacking the manager would be unfair, because of the way owner Mike Ashley undermined him this summer by bringing back ex-boss Kinnear in a new job. “There is more support for Alan Pardew now than there was at the end of last season, when many wanted him out,” said Wraith. “They feel he has been undermined and the Joe Kinnear situation has made it inevitable he will replace him as manager. “I don’t think Pardew would argue with that assessment - and I am privy to certain conversations he has had with certain people. “Pardew knows he’s on borrowed time and if results continue to go pear-shaped, there’s only one man who’s going to get his job. “Kinnear approached Mick Harford in the summer to be his assistant - who ever heard of a director of football having an assistant? “That was Joe’s way of telling us what is going to happen. It just seems inevitable and Pardew does not deserve to be treated like this.” Catalogue of errors: Ashley and Kinnear bought no players this summer Kinnear denied earlier in the season that he was waiting in the wings to replace Pardew, who is just a year into an eight-year contract. He told Mirror Sport in August: “We are working together – not plotting against each other. There seems to be a perception outside the club that we are at loggerheads, but I don’t know why people jump on the bandwagon because it is a false picture.” Wraith claims Kinnear and Ashley must accept their share of the blame for Newcastle’s plight, because of the lack of investment in new players this summer. “The team spent most of last season battling relegation, but the only player brought in during the summer was Loic Remy on loan,” he said. “You can’t just blame one person in Pardew. It’s a job lot.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 That first half yesterday......Jesus. Our defending was beyond contempt. Up front I can almost forgive AP for starting HBA on the left, it did put him up against their weaker full back (who played a blinder as it turned out). But when Baines picked up an early yellow card there was a god given opportunity for AP to at least try and swap HBA to our right and let him have a run at Baines, who had no lifelines left. But f*ck it he didn't... I wouldn't criticise Pardew too much over playing Ben Arfa on the left, he's left footed and he's got all the tools to do a fantastic job there. The problem was he switched everyone else around to accommodate that move. So Gouffran ended up playing a Jonas role on the right wing, with Remy isolated up front. But really the forwards were not the problem, the defence and midfield were like rabbits caught in the headlights. They couldn't get near the Everton players because we sat back and allowed them to ping it all around us. No one seemed to have any idea of what their role was supposed to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm absolutely terrified about what might happen should our rubbish manager deservedly get the sack. It's not a good feeling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm absolutely terrified about what might happen should our rubbish manager deservedly get the sack. It's not a good feeling. Should Pardew get the boot, we have a couple of worries. Firstly, the probability of Kinnear taking over. Secondly, if the swearyman doesn't take the job, we have to find a manager who would be happy to work with/under him; which makes the first scenario that much more likely. Frightening indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'd imagine my relief and excitement would last for around 15 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Look at it this way - if Kinnear was to get the job, it's one step closer to him being out of the club. I can't imagine Ashley would keep faith, given how 'well' he did last time especially if he took us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm absolutely terrified about what might happen should our rubbish manager deservedly get the sack. It's not a good feeling. I'm not. I don't really take much notice of Steve Wraith's ramblings printed in the Mirror, but let's say the worst happens and Ashley appoints Kinnear as manager, then what? Kinnear is a dinosaur, but his teams didn't look as clueless as Pardew's if we are being brutally honest. Also, the fans won't give Kinnear the leeway that pardew's been granted at St James. If he's appointed manager Ashley will know he has to ride a shit storm, as will Kinnear. Neither really looks up for that challenge right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Where are all these "rumours" coming from ? Pardew is the perfect patsy for Ashley, he's going nowhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I really don't believe Kinnear has come back to be our manager. To be frank, he actually nearly died last time and his friend has given him a high paying job that requires no actual work. It is much more likely he remains as a figurehead and continues taking our money regardless of performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Where are all these "rumours" coming from ? Pardew is the perfect patsy for Ashley, he's going nowhere Wishful thinking on the part of some. I'm with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm absolutely terrified about what might happen should our rubbish manager deservedly get the sack. It's not a good feeling. I'm not. I don't really take much notice of Steve Wraith's ramblings printed in the Mirror, but let's say the worst happens and Ashley appoints Kinnear as manager, then what? Kinnear is a dinosaur, but his teams didn't look as clueless as Pardew's if we are being brutally honest. Also, the fans won't give Kinnear the leeway that pardew's been granted at St James. If he's appointed manager Ashley will know he has to ride a shit storm, as will Kinnear. Neither really looks up for that challenge right now. He doesn't give a flying fuck about any shitstorm man, take a look at the absolute farce that was his 'appointment'. They'll love watching us all squirm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm absolutely terrified about what might happen should our rubbish manager deservedly get the sack. It's not a good feeling. yip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I fucking detest Kinnear but purely in terms of results/performances, it's hard to see anybody doing a worse job with these players than Pardew is. Not sure Kinnear's heart would hold up for long if he got the gig. For that reason alone, it would be worth binning off the current incumbent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Does Wraith really think there's more support for Pardew than ever? The fuck is wrong with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Why would Kinnear give up his almost risk free current gig to be manager? It will be Poyet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 JFK appoints himself as "interim" manager until the end of the season. We avoid relegation by the skin of our teeth. The search for our new manager begins with the net thrown both far and wide. In a scarily similar scenario to the transfer window past, Uncal Joe can't get anyone "over the line" Appoints himself permanent manager before the start of the season. Simples Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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