Alan Pardew

[Guest Dontooner]

The squads not good enough, yes Pardew is a massive fuckwit but the squad is nothing like some people see it.

17th fighting for relegation , but we play by lobbing balls into the penalty box , lobbing for set pieces , lobbing when under pressure......

We have no plans, probably the only team in the league with no bloody plans and identity...

[Mole_Toonfan]

The squads not good enough, yes Pardew is a massive fuckwit but the squad is nothing like some people see it.

 

Not good enough for what? We're in a relegation battle We've not seen the best of our squad because of how badly mismanaged it is.

 

[Mick]

 

It's not coincidence that nearly every successful club has that national spine to them, in fact they're nearly always local too. This is particularly obvious in those clubs that sustain such success.

 

It's the quality of the players added to the quality of the manager if anything, not the passport they hold.

[Guest neesy111]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

[ponsaelius]

We need a good coach who can implement a forward thinking ideology that suits his players and we need players with the required ability level, attitude, mental and physical aptitude etc. The nationality is a complete irrelevance. Players and coaches' adequacies in all these areas aren't dictated by their passport (or race), to even suggest such is sheer idiocy.

 

We have a number of players in the squad, both English and foreign who aren't good enough. We also have a manager who is simply not good enough. Replace both with people of the required standard and things will improve. The manager is the crucial one though, because without a good manager you'll never be able to properly utilise, organise and motivate the decent players you do have.

[Mole_Toonfan]

I agree with TT and Gary Neville and have argued that point many times before. Talk of xenophobia is simply nonsense.

 

We don't need an English spine to the team at all, we need a manager who can get the best out of the players we have, that's all we're missing.

 

It's not coincidence that nearly every successful club has that national spine to them, in fact they're nearly always local too. This is particularly obvious in those clubs that sustain such success.

 

Arsenal? never been outside the top 4 during Wenger's time and they have hardly had a english spine the majority of the time.

 

Has f*ck all to do with it.

[Guest Nixon]

A clique of divisive French players are showing mental weakness or 'surrendering'?

 

It reads like a transcript from a Daily Mail editor's wet dream. By all accounts the players have questioned the tactics on display, if this was a group of English player's they'd be commended for their rousing attitude as a player's committee. On a fundamental level Newcastle are tactically deficient. There is next to no cohesion amongst the squad, and the mixture of a melancholic looking squad (Ben Arfa in particular seems more interested in post-match chats than playing) suggests the playing staff aren't to enamoured with the man in charge.

 

For that they deserve criticism. Not being sectioned by nationality and then slapped with a giant trout of stereotype when applicable. All the talk of the French being mentally weak is somewhat defunct when you consider they won the world cup as recently as 98, and the Euro's 2 years later. Yet England still dine out on Sir Geoff Hurst and a questionable linesman.

 

Put simply, the club need a return to simplicity. Pressure in the right areas, operating as a unit defensively, mixed with movement in attack. A 4-3-3 in which player's like Sissoko and Cabaye are used in the spine of the side. A regression to the time when Cissé was given it into feet, facing the goal so that he could just shoot instead of having to adjust his iffy feet.

 

Instead we get a box to box midfielder on the right wing, and a once decent winger shunted round the pitch because he 'puts a shift in'. If there is but one mitigation, it's Coloccini's absence. His performance at Sunderland in the face of a baying crowd, showed the kind of composure and experience he brings to the back four. Losing that will always cost dearly, so having him return will be of some saving grace. 

[Mole_Toonfan]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

Except they don't.... its good enough for the top 8 and pushing the likes of Liverpool.

 

Its not worse than Swansea's or West Brom.

[TRon]

I agree with TT and Gary Neville and have argued that point many times before. Talk of xenophobia is simply nonsense.

 

We don't need an English spine to the team at all, we need a manager who can get the best out of the players we have, that's all we're missing.

 

It's not coincidence that nearly every successful club has that national spine to them, in fact they're nearly always local too. This is particularly obvious in those clubs that sustain such success.

 

I would say the further down the Premier you go, the bigger the national and local contingent you'll find. Come on Wullie man, I thought you'd got beyond this.

[taxfree]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

We have a good enough squad to challenge for Europa League. No doubt.

[Mole_Toonfan]

A clique of divisive French players are showing mental weakness or 'surrendering'?

 

It reads like a transcript from a Daily Mail editor's wet dream. By all accounts the player's have questioned the tactics on display, if this was a group of English player's they'd be commended for their rousing attitude as a player's committee. On a fundamental level Newcastle are tactically deficient. There is next to no cohesion amongst the squad, and the mixture of a melancholic looking squad (Ben Arfa in particular seems more interested in post-match chats than playing) suggests the playing staff aren't to enamoured with the man in charge.

 

For that they deserve criticism. Not being sectioned by nationality and then slapped with a giant trout of stereotype when applicable. All the talk of the French being mentally weak is somewhat defunct when you consider they won the world cup as recently as 98, and the Euro's 2 years later. Yet England still dine out on Sir Geoff Hurst and a questionable linesman.

 

Put simply, the club need a return to simplicity. Pressure in the right areas, operating as a unit defensively, mixed with movement in attack. A 4-3-3 in which player's like Sissoko and Cabaye are used in the spine of the side. A regression to the time when Cissé was given it into feet, facing the goal so that he could just shoot instead of having to adjust his iffy feet.

 

Instead we get a box to box midfielder on the right wing, and a once decent winger shunted round the pitch because he 'puts a shift in'. If there is but one mitigation, it's Coloccini's absence. His performance at Sunderland in the face of a baying crowd, showed the kind of composure and experience he brings to the back four. Losing that will always cost dearly, so having him return will be of some saving grace.

 

[Guest neesy111]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

We have a good enough squad to challenge for Europa League. No doubt.

 

 

So where are the goals going to come from for that?  One injury to Cisse and we are a team with the weakest striking line-up in the league.

[TRon]

A clique of divisive French players are showing mental weakness or 'surrendering'?

 

It reads like a transcript from a Daily Mail editor's wet dream. By all accounts the player's have questioned the tactics on display, if this was a group of English player's they'd be commended for their rousing attitude as a player's committee. On a fundamental level Newcastle are tactically deficient. There is next to no cohesion amongst the squad, and the mixture of a melancholic looking squad (Ben Arfa in particular seems more interested in post-match chats than playing) suggests the playing staff aren't to enamoured with the man in charge.

 

For that they deserve criticism. Not being sectioned by nationality and then slapped with a giant trout of stereotype when applicable. All the talk of the French being mentally weak is somewhat defunct when you consider they won the world cup as recently as 98, and the Euro's 2 years later. Yet England still dine out on Sir Geoff Hurst and a questionable linesman.

 

Put simply, the club need a return to simplicity. Pressure in the right areas, operating as a unit defensively, mixed with movement in attack. A 4-3-3 in which player's like Sissoko and Cabaye are used in the spine of the side. A regression to the time when Cissé was given it into feet, facing the goal so that he could just shoot instead of having to adjust his iffy feet.

 

Instead we get a box to box midfielder on the right wing, and a once decent winger shunted round the pitch because he 'puts a shift in'. If there is but one mitigation, it's Coloccini's absence. His performance at Sunderland in the face of a baying crowd, showed the kind of composure and experience he brings to the back four. Losing that will always cost dearly, so having him return will be of some saving grace. 

 

We've missed this sort of insight

 

 

[Away Toon]

We have to make changes for the next few games irrespective of who the players or what nationality. Next season hopefully a good manager can get more out of the players we have. Out: Haidara, MYM, Debuchy (did that himself), Jonas, Tiote, Gouffran. In: Simpson, Colo, Marveaux, Anita, and maybe Williamson and Harper. Shuffle them around, organise them, make them defend first and foremost.

[wormy]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

Except they don't.... its good enough for the top 8 and pushing the likes of Liverpool.

 

Its not worse than Swansea's or West Brom.

 

Had an argument with a mate about this the other night who's adamant our squad's no longer good enough for a top ten finish, and we've more deadwood than useful players. The dipshit was rattling on at me earlier in the season about delusions and that we were just unlucky with injuries and extra matches in Europe whilst lying about 13th. I shouldn't be too harsh on Pardew because where were we going without the bad luck in his opinion? Top ten.

 

And any team would be losing hope in this shithouse of a 'manager' right now, not just foreigners. People talk like our last relegation featuring an array of mercenaries wasn't overloaded with British 'lionhearts'.

[Beren]

I agree with TT and Gary Neville and have argued that point many times before. Talk of xenophobia is simply nonsense.

 

We don't need an English spine to the team at all, we need a manager who can get the best out of the players we have, that's all we're missing.

 

It's not coincidence that nearly every successful club has that national spine to them, in fact they're nearly always local too. This is particularly obvious in those clubs that sustain such success.

 

It's not coincidence I agree, but our problems have nothing to do with the nationality of our spine.

 

I do think that the levels of success achievable by having a spine (often local having grown up together locally) come through together probably outstrips the potential of individuals brought in to play together. That is definitely I something the club should work towards, but that is a long-term project - and is a pipedream at present with Pardew trying to make his mark at a grassroots level () - I wish that was even close to being one of my main troubles with the club

 

[/iMO]

[Guest neesy111]

Good Post Nixon though I disagree about Ben Arfa.  He'll be sick and fed-up that when he's on the pitch he'll be expected to create everything and the fact he has 10 statue's around him when he's looking to pass the ball to someone.

[Mole_Toonfan]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

We have a good enough squad to challenge for Europa League. No doubt.

 

 

So where are the goals going to come from for that?  One injury to Cisse and we are a team with the weakest striking line-up in the league.

 

Liverpool have been challenging for it all year with one recognised striker, you put far too much emphasis on it.

 

The problem is how little players we have in the box when we go forward.

[Dokko]

I agree with TT and Gary Neville and have argued that point many times before. Talk of xenophobia is simply nonsense.

 

We don't need an English spine to the team at all, we need a manager who can get the best out of the players we have, that's all we're missing.

 

It's not coincidence that nearly every successful club has that national spine to them, in fact they're nearly always local too. This is particularly obvious in those clubs that sustain such success.

 

Arsenal? never been outside the top 4 during Wenger's time and they have hardly had a english spine the majority of the time.

 

Has f*ck all to do with it.

 

Last time they had the title was with Cole, Keown, Campbell, Parlour with Seaman leaving at the start of that season. The likes of Vieria, Bergkamp & Henry were instrumental but they'd all been their a minimum of 5 years, understood the league, settled and spoke very good english.

 

Called having a mix and balance, something we lack.

 

 

Also ironcally enough Henry, Diaby and the likes of site Keown as a leading figure to helping them settle and get used to the english way.

[taxfree]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

We have a good enough squad to challenge for Europa League. No doubt.

 

 

So where are the goals going to come from for that?  One injury to Cisse and we are a team with the weakest striking line-up in the league.

 

A decent manager will make this team score goals. Hopefully we'll add some new players too. And hopefully the exodus won't contain too many good players..

[Guest neesy111]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

We have a good enough squad to challenge for Europa League. No doubt.

 

 

So where are the goals going to come from for that?  One injury to Cisse and we are a team with the weakest striking line-up in the league.

 

Liverpool have been challenging for it all year with one recognised striker, you put far too much emphasis on it.

 

The problem is how little players we have in the box when we go forward.

 

They scored 6 without him on Saturday.

[Mr. Snrub]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

We have a good enough squad to challenge for Europa League. No doubt.

 

A good enough first XI but a bench of Shola, Williamson, Gosling, Obertan etc is a fucking travesty.

 

We have no strength in depth, why is why we're deeply in the shit when faced with injuries.

[Guest Dontooner]

Going start pissing my Pants if i see Jonas in the lineup again come West Ham, everytime he starts its 10% less of a chance of winning.

[Teasy]

A clique of divisive French players are showing mental weakness or 'surrendering'?

 

It reads like a transcript from a Daily Mail editor's wet dream. By all accounts the player's have questioned the tactics on display, if this was a group of English player's they'd be commended for their rousing attitude as a player's committee. On a fundamental level Newcastle are tactically deficient. There is next to no cohesion amongst the squad, and the mixture of a melancholic looking squad (Ben Arfa in particular seems more interested in post-match chats than playing) suggests the playing staff aren't to enamoured with the man in charge.

 

For that they deserve criticism. Not being sectioned by nationality and then slapped with a giant trout of stereotype when applicable. All the talk of the French being mentally weak is somewhat defunct when you consider they won the world cup as recently as 98, and the Euro's 2 years later. Yet England still dine out on Sir Geoff Hurst and a questionable linesman.

 

Put simply, the club need a return to simplicity. Pressure in the right areas, operating as a unit defensively, mixed with movement in attack. A 4-3-3 in which player's like Sissoko and Cabaye are used in the spine of the side. A regression to the time when Cissé was given it into feet, facing the goal so that he could just shoot instead of having to adjust his iffy feet.

 

Instead we get a box to box midfielder on the right wing, and a once decent winger shunted round the pitch because he 'puts a shift in'. If there is but one mitigation, it's Coloccini's absence. His performance at Sunderland in the face of a baying crowd, showed the kind of composure and experience he brings to the back four. Losing that will always cost dearly, so having him return will be of some saving grace. 

 

[taxfree]

The way some people talk, they expect the squad to be challenging for Europe again, it's nowhere near that level.

 

We have a good enough squad to challenge for Europa League. No doubt.

 

 

So where are the goals going to come from for that?  One injury to Cisse and we are a team with the weakest striking line-up in the league.

 

Liverpool have been challenging for it all year with one recognised striker, you put far too much emphasis on it.

 

The problem is how little players we have in the box when we go forward.

 

They scored 6 without him on Saturday.