Ronaldo Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I think he meant Barton and Nolan in the Championship. Not that it's still entirely accurate, and you have to make quite a few assumptions to get there Barton had about 5 good games in that league with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 An analysis of Sunderland's leadership. oh ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Ronaldos right tbh, the majority of Barton's time here was a waste. He had a short spell where he managed to find Carroll in and around the box but that was about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Ronaldos right tbh, the majority of Barton's time here was a waste. He had a short spell where he managed to find Carroll in and around the box but that was about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Barton had 5 good months in 4 years. Yep. Was largely a waste of time. Plus he spent some of that 4 years in prison, still getting paid by us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I think he meant Harper and Nolan??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Their knight in shiny armour Mk IV Poyet is being quickly found out like. That squad is nothing special obviously, but I genuinely think he has them performing under their potential (even taken into account 1 point from 7 when he came in). His recent tactics and team selections are simply baffling (3 at the back with 2 holding midfielders in a winnable, must win home game, Johnson benched, etc) and he hasn't managed to get any of his forwards playing well for any stretch of games, even a decent one like Fletcher, who on form could have been the difference between staying up or going down. His signings have been nothing short of disastrous too. Long may it continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Their knight in shiny armour Mk IV Poyet is being quickly found out like. That squad is nothing special obviously, but I genuinely think he has them performing under their potential (even taken into account 1 point from 7 when he came in). His recent tactics and team selections are simply baffling (3 at the back with 2 holding midfielders in a winnable, must win home game, Johnson benched, etc) and he hasn't managed to get any of his forwards playing well for any stretch of games, even a decent one like Fletcher, who on form could have been the difference between staying up or going down. His signings have been nothing short of disastrous too. Long may it continue. He also struggled to get Brighton to score goals too. They never had a prolific striker during this time there either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I'm sure he also spent a fair whack at Brighton (for a Championship side)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Their knight in shiny armour Mk IV Poyet is being quickly found out like. That squad is nothing special obviously, but I genuinely think he has them performing under their potential (even taken into account 1 point from 7 when he came in). His recent tactics and team selections are simply baffling (3 at the back with 2 holding midfielders in a winnable, must win home game, Johnson benched, etc) and he hasn't managed to get any of his forwards playing well for any stretch of games, even a decent one like Fletcher, who on form could have been the difference between staying up or going down. His signings have been nothing short of disastrous too. Long may it continue. He also struggled to get Brighton to score goals too. They never had a prolific striker during this time there either. Rarely picked up points from losing positions. He's a defensive manager no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I'm sure he also spent a fair whack at Brighton (for a Championship side)? Yes, then complained about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Remember in spite of all this, this guy has outwitted Pardew twice by the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Remember in spite of all this, this guy has outwitted Pardew twice by the way Isn't it about 6 times if you include his Brighton stint? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Aye, you'd have to have been a mug to have lost to that Brighton side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Their knight in shiny armour Mk IV Poyet is being quickly found out like. That squad is nothing special obviously, but I genuinely think he has them performing under their potential (even taken into account 1 point from 7 when he came in). His recent tactics and team selections are simply baffling (3 at the back with 2 holding midfielders in a winnable, must win home game, Johnson benched, etc) and he hasn't managed to get any of his forwards playing well for any stretch of games, even a decent one like Fletcher, who on form could have been the difference between staying up or going down. His signings have been nothing short of disastrous too. Long may it continue. Aye. He's had a few years in management now the thing he's known best for is the infamous dressing room incident. Although it could now be argued that screwing up the easiest route to Europe Sunderland will ever be offered equals it. Hardly a glittering CV, yet some of the retards still think he's going to be their messiah and they're lucky to have him as so many big clubs would want him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I'm sure he also spent a fair whack at Brighton (for a Championship side)? I've seen quite a bit of Brighton play over the last few years and can't recall him ever being known as a big spender by their fans but you could be right. They certainly had a very specific way of playing under Poyet (building from the back, with the ball always to feet and always started every attack with the DM dropping back to centre half to collect the ball and immediately playing it out wide to an advanced full back). I never saw Brighton launch a ball forward at any point of watching them under Poyet (probably saw about 15 games under him, at the Amex). He seemed to like using the loan system to his advantage with his signings of Bridge and Upson at his disposal during their best year in the Championship. So, I'd expect much of the same if Sunderland do indeed go down. The problem with them was that they weren't very good to watch. For all of their possession, they were never hugely effective. They never battered a team and they never really came out of the blocks full of attacking intention. Their football was very slowly, slowly catchy monkey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nixon Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Apologies just to clarify, I meant the first two (Nolan and Harper) not (as my brain incorrectly told me to type) the latter two of Barton and Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenArfa10 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 When we went down we kept many of our decent players. That's why we came back up again, not because of some terrific rebuilding exercise. If (when?) they go down, they'll not be keeping the nucleus of a good squad for all the reasons already mentioned. They'll be pretty much building their team again from scratch. Not saying that's impossible, but it sure as f*** isn't a blessing to be in that situation and have to do it. Very true and our squad was way too good for the Championship. I mean regardless of how they performed in the Premier League prior or what you may think of them personally the nucleus of that squad allowed us to piss the league really, I mean 102 points is ridiculous, we went 7 games unbeaten twice, scored 90 goals, regularly putting 4-5 and 6 past teams and we only lost 4 games. We had two very good goalkeepers in Harper and Krul and along with keeping Coloccini, S.Taylor, Jose Enrique, Barton, Smith, Nolan, Jonas and Lovenkrands along with the emergence of Carroll and added signings of Williamson, Routledge, Best, Hall and Van Aanholt there was no one who could stop us. Even Shola was a goal machine before he got injured. We dispensed with the 'dead-wood' in Beye, Bassong, Viduka, Geremi (stayed until end of Jan, scored against Huddersfield in cup), Owen, Martins, Duff (at least played in first game and scored) and Cacapa. Okay some of them people would have like to have stayed like Oba Martins, Bassong and Habib Beye but we didn't need them at the end of the day, those were the ones with the attitudes that took us down, Owen especially. I mean look at what happened to some of them. Beye went to Villa and had a torrid time only playing 9 games, then went to Doncaster before eventually retiring. Bassong went to Spurs full of promise but failed to live up to it, he went to Wolves who then got relegated and he is now at Norwich who are in a relegation battle. Duff went to Fulham and tbf he has done ok for them but it looks like he is going to be facing another relegation. Martins is probably the most successful as he won the League cup with Birmingham but then he got relegated, he's currently playing for Seattle Sounders. He also had some non-descript times at Wolfsburg, Rubin Kazan and Levante. Owen went to Man U scored a couple of goals including a derby goal and he finished his career at Stoke which says it all, such wasted promise. Viduka ended his career at Newcastle, good player with too many injuries. Geremi went to Turkey and then Larissa so yeah he was a decent player in his time but it was pretty much game up for him when he signed for us. The season rebuilt the confidence of our players, we became harder to beat and were more 'one' as a club. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise but clubs who go down cannot afford to take instant promotion for granted because it won't always work out like it did with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Went to watch Brighton with my mate's company on Sat, lovely corporate section (I know, I'm boasting)...asked him and a few others what they thought of Poyet. They all said they weren't too bothered when he left, he struggled in the play-offs and whilst they kept the ball, his tactics and substitutions were baffling at times and Brighton never played with any urgency or pace. They said he tinkered with the team for no particular reason, especially when they had momentum during a game and it was incredibly frustrating. His eye for a player isn't brilliant either (cited Vicente and Bruno as examples) and from all accounts he's a bit of an egotistic cock. They all agreed he has potential for the future though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Their knight in shiny armour Mk IV Poyet is being quickly found out like. That squad is nothing special obviously, but I genuinely think he has them performing under their potential (even taken into account 1 point from 7 when he came in). His recent tactics and team selections are simply baffling (3 at the back with 2 holding midfielders in a winnable, must win home game, Johnson benched, etc) and he hasn't managed to get any of his forwards playing well for any stretch of games, even a decent one like Fletcher, who on form could have been the difference between staying up or going down. His signings have been nothing short of disastrous too. Long may it continue. He also struggled to get Brighton to score goals too. They never had a prolific striker during this time there either. unless the bastard was up against a pardew team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Apologies just to clarify, I meant the first two (Nolan and Harper) not (as my brain incorrectly told me to type) the latter two of Barton and Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/colback-to-the-mags.900185/ I was thinking about this for some time. He could be our new Perch. We need some central midfielders. And he's for free! http://oi57.tinypic.com/5fndht.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/colback-to-the-mags.900185/ I was thinking about this for some time. He could be our new Perch. We need some central midfielders. And he's for free! I wouldn't want him in the first team but definitely a good squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Can't find the photo of him "shushing" us at SJP. But yeh no thanks, like http://www.sunderlandecho.com/webimage/1.6412562.1391276722!/image/908349037.jpg_gen/derivatives/articleImgDeriv_628px/908349037.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 They all seem to hope he's Cabaye's replacement. But but but I though Cabaye was shite anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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