Flip Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me. Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho. Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea. Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me. He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side. He's still got time but he's not as effective as Robben. Robbens averaging 2 in 3 for Bayern since he's joined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me. He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side. Wish he played for Belgium the same way he plays for Chelsea. With the national team he tends to stop the flow of the play constantly. De Bruyne runs the show there. Hazard has everything to be a top 3 player in the world, but sometimes it doesn't look like he's giving his all out there. He's never going to be a top 3 in the world player with Mourinho as manager IMO. He spends too much time in his own half and tracking back to get ridiculous amounts of goals and assists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned. I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me. Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho. Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea. Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement. There's no reason Chelsea shouldn't be able to beat one of those considering how they're performing in the league, their experience and signings over the last few years. The squad and team is exactly how their manager likes it. 1 trophy in 2 years would be poor from Mourinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned. I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix. He's way behind Neymar as it is. Robben. Lucky to crack top 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned. It's because he's clearly not a top 3 player in the world tbf. He's an excellent footballer but there's a case for him not being top three in the PL as well with Aguero, Yaya, Di Maria and Fabregas. Although going by Yaya's and Man U's season he could easily be seen within that top 3 as well. He'd have trouble starting for both Barcelona and Bayern as well. IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me. Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho. Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea. Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement. There's no reason Chelsea shouldn't be able to beat one of those considering how they're performing in the league, their experience and signings over the last few years. The squad and team is exactly how their manager likes it. 1 trophy in 2 years would be poor from Mourinho. Absolutely, I just don't think it's an underachievement. Still think they're the 4th best team in Europe so it (imo btw) wouldn't really be an underachievement to lose to one of the three teams which imo are better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me. He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side. Wish he played for Belgium the same way he plays for Chelsea. With the national team he tends to stop the flow of the play constantly. De Bruyne runs the show there. Hazard has everything to be a top 3 player in the world, but sometimes it doesn't look like he's giving his all out there. He's never going to be a top 3 in the world player with Mourinho as manager IMO. He spends too much time in his own half and tracking back to get ridiculous amounts of goals and assists He doesn't track back THAT much in non-important games yet he doesn't score a shitload either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me. Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho. Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea. Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement. There's no reason Chelsea shouldn't be able to beat one of those considering how they're performing in the league, their experience and signings over the last few years. The squad and team is exactly how their manager likes it. 1 trophy in 2 years would be poor from Mourinho. Absolutely, I just don't think it's an underachievement. Still think they're the 4th best team in Europe so it (imo btw) wouldn't really be an underachievement to lose to one of the three teams which imo are better. For managerial genius Mourinho it would be. Looking objectively maybe not. But then the ball-licking should stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned. I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix. Hazard has a pretty long way to go to be the third best in the world. Hazard is a long way behind Robben who I think is the third best in the world. IMO of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 None of them are a patch on Neuer. Play him up front he'd do 7 tricycle kicks a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Can't help thinking that must involve his penis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Keegan's a quitter and Bobby was a coward and a mercenary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Ashley is my God and Carver my lord Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned. I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix. Absolutely no way he's behind Bale like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Neymar has been better than all those names mentioned this season. (well except Messi and Ronaldo obviously) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Neymar has been better than all those names mentioned this season. (well except Messi and Ronaldo obviously) Neymar has been outstanding tbf. I just want to wait until later stages of CL to see if he can keep up his form against that quality opposition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'm not concerned about that tbh, he's been a big game player the whole time he's been at Barca and usually for the national team too. Plus he's already scored against both Madrid teams this season and what else is there? Bayern and Chelsea probably, so yeah I believe he'll perform in those games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leek Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think if Hazard was at Bayern he'd transform to the next step and he'd be in the top 5 no question, can't really see that happening for him anywhere else for a while yet though. Other than Bayern I think Chelsea are the next best team for him in terms of showing his skill, getting a share of media/public attention and to win trophies at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think if Hazard was at Bayern he'd transform to the next step and he'd be in the top 5 no question, can't really see that happening for him anywhere else for a while yet though. Other than Bayern I think Chelsea are the next best team for him in terms of showing his skill, getting a share of media/public attention and to win trophies at. Would he get to play as much and be the top dog like he is for big parts at Chelsea? I mean Robben, Ribery and Muller are all better players IMO. I just don't think Hazard is THAT good, because I've seen him disappear more times than the others do. He's an excellent player and might one day be a top 3 player, but for me he's not a top 10 at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Keegan's a quitter and Bobby was a coward and a mercenary. FYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 He's definitely in the top 10. His overall stats put him amongst the best in the league and if he had a free role like at Lille he would be getting more goals and assists to show for his form this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Keegan's a quitter and Bobby was a coward and a mercenary. FYP Why are you still posting Alan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 He's definitely in the top 10. His overall stats put him amongst the best in the league and if he had a free role like at Lille he would be getting more goals and assists to show for his form this season. Enlighten me how he's definitely in the top 10. Neuer, Fabregas, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Zlatan, Cristiano are all in my opinion better players. So not sure I agree he's definitely in the top 10. I understand there is a case to put him above some players, but we can't go on what he would be in another role. Because for Belgium he has more of a free role on the left where he doesn't really need to track back and he's outshone by De Bruyne most of the times who both tracks back and does more offensively. I like Hazard and think he's an absolute fantastic player, but IMO he's not a top 10 in the world. Even forgot Di Maria and Kroos in that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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