English/British talent we should be recruiting

[The College Dropout]

Anyone of equal ability to who we are scouting from abroad available for the same/less money.

 

Don't agree with paying a premium for nationality and if we want players with more of an attachment to the club we either go back to a time where football was more than just a highly paid job, or invest in the academy to bring players through. A young player bought from London will have no more affinity to the club than one bought from Paris.

 

I agree with this. I know where people are coming from when they say they want a core of English players, but we shouldn't just be buying English for the sake of it, it has to be with the view to improving the team. There's no point in spending millions on young British players then getting spanked off Swansea because they've recruited some  international striker from Slovakia who scores a hatrick against us.

 

Swansea? Off teh top of my head they have 5 first team British players. The big CB, Taylor at FB, Brittain, N. Dyer & Routledge

[AyeDubbleYoo]

And the longer Swansea spend in the PL, the more foreigners they buy.

[Wullie]

Just bought an England international haven't they?

[Ketsbaia]

Once that we can realistically get: Ince, Sinclair, Will Hughes, Downing (), Snodgrass

 

Was really annoyed when we stayed away from Clyne, Redmond and Caulker though. I think Chalobah, Ward-Prowse and Shaw will turn out really well, this Eric Deir is meant to be good too isnt he?

[The College Dropout]

Okay... but they have 5 at the moment and they are a good team.. now.

[The College Dropout]

And the longer Swansea spend in the PL, the more foreigners they buy.

They also signed Shelvey too.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just bought an England international haven't they?

 

Shelvey? Aye, they also bought about four Spaniards and Bony.

[TRon]

And the longer Swansea spend in the PL, the more foreigners they buy.

 

Well yeah, but people seem to be overlooking the obvious to make a point. It's like the Everton example given in the Gomis thread. They are clearly recruiting more from abroad over the last couple of seasons, they have been transformed by the addition of Jelavic and Miralis.

[Cajun]

I would take any of those (except McManaman) but none of them are close to Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney etc.. These great/trophy winning sides didn't win things because they had British players in. They won things because they had fantastic British players (with a mix of top class players from around the world).

[The College Dropout]

Everton?

 

They have a British core and a lot of PL experience.

 

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Osman and even Anichebe. They've added foreigners obviously but they have a strong British foundation.

 

Nobody is saying "no foreigners". But you need 2-3 British players in the first team at the very least. There's not a good side in the league without that. At the moment, the closest is probably Chelsea but they've got an All-Star line-up.

[Wullie]

So Ian is your position that everyone else is the same as us?

 

We'll put an all foreign XI many times this season. I'll be extremely surprised if anybody else does it once. If Swansea do it, I'll be fucking astonished.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

So Ian is your position that everyone else is the same as us?

 

We'll put an all foreign XI many times this season. I'll be extremely surprised if anybody else does it once. If Swansea do it, I'll be fucking astonished.

 

I don't really have a position. Just that it's inevitable that every club will buy far more foreigners than English players, and it's inevitable.

[Cajun]

Would anyone genuinely have been happy if we bought Shelvey btw?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Everton?

 

They have a British core and a lot of PL experience.

 

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Osman and even Anichebe. They've added foreigners obviously but they have a strong British foundation.

 

Nobody is saying "no foreigners". But you need 2-3 British players in the first team at the very least. There's not a good side in the league without that. At the moment, the closest is probably Chelsea but they've got an All-Star line-up.

 

That's true, but the question is whether there's any causation. Are the British players actually adding anything because they're British, and if so is it worth the extra money they cost?

[The College Dropout]

I would take any of those (except McManaman) but none of them are close to Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney etc.. These great/trophy winning sides didn't win things because they had British players in. They won things because they had fantastic British players (with a mix of top class players from around the world).

 

The Chelsea side of the late 90's got by with Wise & Le Saux, with Jody Morris, John Harley and Terry in the squad, getting games.

 

The most successful period of that Chelsea had a real balance of British and foreigners. They won 3 trophies in '97 with Wise, Hughes, Minto, Duberry, Newton, Granville etc.

[The College Dropout]

Everton?

 

They have a British core and a lot of PL experience.

 

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Osman and even Anichebe. They've added foreigners obviously but they have a strong British foundation.

 

Nobody is saying "no foreigners". But you need 2-3 British players in the first team at the very least. There's not a good side in the league without that. At the moment, the closest is probably Chelsea but they've got an All-Star line-up.

 

That's true, but the question is whether there's any causation. Are the British players actually adding anything because they're British, and if so is it worth the extra money they cost?

 

Of course they are.

 

Ferguson didn't make sure his sides had a British core because he's xenophobic.

[Cajun]

I would take any of those (except McManaman) but none of them are close to Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney etc.. These great/trophy winning sides didn't win things because they had British players in. They won things because they had fantastic British players (with a mix of top class players from around the world).

 

The Chelsea side of the late 90's got by with Wise & Le Saux, with Jody Morris, John Harley and Terry in the squad, getting games.

 

The most successful period of that Chelsea had a real balance of British and foreigners. They won 3 trophies in '97 with Wise, Hughes, Minto, Duberry, Newton, Granville etc.

 

How many trophies have they won since they bought a shit load of foreigners?

[Dinho lad]

Would anyone genuinely have been happy if we bought Shelvey btw?

 

I think he's a decent young player, tbh.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Everton?

 

They have a British core and a lot of PL experience.

 

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Osman and even Anichebe. They've added foreigners obviously but they have a strong British foundation.

 

Nobody is saying "no foreigners". But you need 2-3 British players in the first team at the very least. There's not a good side in the league without that. At the moment, the closest is probably Chelsea but they've got an All-Star line-up.

 

That's true, but the question is whether there's any causation. Are the British players actually adding anything because they're British, and if so is it worth the extra money they cost?

 

Of course they are.

 

Ferguson didn't make sure his sides had a British core because he's xenophobic.

 

That's only an example, it's not evidence.

 

Obviously taking Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and Keane out of Man Utd's team would make them worse. But is that because those players are home grown, or is it because they're extremely talented?

[Cajun]

Everton?

 

They have a British core and a lot of PL experience.

 

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Osman and even Anichebe. They've added foreigners obviously but they have a strong British foundation.

 

Nobody is saying "no foreigners". But you need 2-3 British players in the first team at the very least. There's not a good side in the league without that. At the moment, the closest is probably Chelsea but they've got an All-Star line-up.

 

That's true, but the question is whether there's any causation. Are the British players actually adding anything because they're British, and if so is it worth the extra money they cost?

 

Of course they are.

 

Ferguson didn't make sure his sides had a British core because he's xenophobic.

 

No he made sure his side had a core of British players by managing to bring through Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Gary Neville then buying Carrick, Rooney, Ferdinand etc..

[Kanji]

Jack Butland

Tom Ince, Scott Sinclair...

 

Had high hopes for Josh McEchran but not sure if he'll develop into a PL standard player.

 

We've had a dry spell of talent coming through our ranks which is probably something we've done 5-10 years ago; hopefully we'll see improvement on that end.

[triggs]

Everton?

 

They have a British core and a lot of PL experience.

 

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Osman and even Anichebe. They've added foreigners obviously but they have a strong British foundation.

 

Nobody is saying "no foreigners". But you need 2-3 British players in the first team at the very least. There's not a good side in the league without that. At the moment, the closest is probably Chelsea but they've got an All-Star line-up.

Coleman is not British

[The College Dropout]

I would take any of those (except McManaman) but none of them are close to Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney etc.. These great/trophy winning sides didn't win things because they had British players in. They won things because they had fantastic British players (with a mix of top class players from around the world).

 

The Chelsea side of the late 90's got by with Wise & Le Saux, with Jody Morris, John Harley and Terry in the squad, getting games.

 

The most successful period of that Chelsea had a real balance of British and foreigners. They won 3 trophies in '97 with Wise, Hughes, Minto, Duberry, Newton, Granville etc.

 

How many trophies have they won since they bought a s*** load of foreigners?

 

They still had a English captain, a England vice-captain, Ashley Cole and some other British options. Now, they have an all-star team but they still fielded two British players.

 

Arsenal peaked when they had a few remnants of the old British based side remaining and a few newer English recruits. When they went super foreign, they dipped. You began questioning their heart and battle.

[Oakie Doke]

Ronnie Wallwork

[The College Dropout]

Everton?

 

They have a British core and a lot of PL experience.

 

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Osman and even Anichebe. They've added foreigners obviously but they have a strong British foundation.

 

Nobody is saying "no foreigners". But you need 2-3 British players in the first team at the very least. There's not a good side in the league without that. At the moment, the closest is probably Chelsea but they've got an All-Star line-up.

Coleman is not British

 

Sorry. British and Irish.