U2 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Feel like Moyes to West Ham has hit their fans the same way I was utterly gutted when we appointed Souness. Vivid memory of seeing it on news24 at a service station. Fucking grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Feel like Moyes to West Ham has hit their fans the same way I was utterly gutted when we appointed Souness. Vivid memory of seeing it on news24 at a service station. Fucking grim. Remember when he didn't know who Yossi Benayoun was? What days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 An end of season deal isn't the end of the world, I mean I'd be gutted if I was them and he was given say a 3 year deal. Lets see what he is made of then, if he's up to scratch he will keep them up and improve results and performances. If he wants to repair any damage to his credibility, he has to. Worryingly for any WH fan would be if he did well and they appointed him for a few years. Even then, if he doesn't do well, there will always be some mug of an owner willing to give him another cushy number. Stoke, WBA etc. clubs like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Rafa always had his number, Liverpool dominated that fixture! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Sorry if giggs but Caulkin's steamed right in calling him the "undertaker" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/slaven-bilic-sacked-by-west-ham-united-with-david-moyes-set-to-take-over-3226kxrff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Interesting point on RTG. At West Ham he's been allowed to bring in Alan Irvine and said he's able to bring in people he knows and trusts. Compare that to Sunderland where he got stuck with Bracewell & Stockdale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollof rice and pea Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I associate Moyes at Everton with teams that were more hard for the rest to beat, rather than being free-flowing or especially creative. His record against the top teams was always poor. He wasn't at Man United long enough to sort out their defence, so I'll give him a pass on that, but his inability to organise Sunderland or even leave them with defenders who can manage at Championship level strongly points to him being a busted flush. This is a terrible appointment by two inept owners and their high profile idiot sidekick. With their free stadium courtesy of the taxpayer, I can't have any sympathy for them. His plan to sort out the Man U defence was getting Rio and Vidic to watch vids on super Jags, he warrants no pass on that. He shouldn't get a pas for Sociedad either, that seems to get written off like it was just an adventure abroad and he wasn't actually there to do a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/1007750749388991/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Sorry if giggs but Caulkin's steamed right in calling him the "undertaker" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/slaven-bilic-sacked-by-west-ham-united-with-david-moyes-set-to-take-over-3226kxrff Really wish he wasn't behind a paywall I love his writing, too good to be hidden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Sorry if giggs but Caulkin's steamed right in calling him the "undertaker" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/slaven-bilic-sacked-by-west-ham-united-with-david-moyes-set-to-take-over-3226kxrff He'll soon have a streak to rival Taker's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Interesting point on RTG. At West Ham he's been allowed to bring in Alan Irvine and said he's able to bring in people he knows and trusts. Compare that to Sunderland where he got stuck with Bracewell & Stockdale. I have a hard time believing Moyes wouldn't have had the power to bring in his own people, he was a manager the owner had courted for years apparently, certainly not someone begging for a job when he got it. It's just another thing for the RTG crowd to bash Short with, which is their general pastime. In terms of Irvine being the difference between him being the successful manager he was at Everton to the horror show that turned up at Manure, Sociedad and the Mackems, I think that's probably too simplistic, Irvine was hardly successful when he got the West Brom job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 It could be they wouldn't pay their wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 It could be they wouldn't pay their wages. They paid 13 million for N'dong, I doubt money was that tight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Been speaking to my mackem mate again today and he actually said Moyes was like the grim reaper around the club, so negative. He apparently didn't do much himself on the training ground either, which may make some sense RE any success he's had with Irvine around. The minute he walked into the door he basically said the squad wasn't good enough and would struggle to stay up, from day one it was about relegation. He like others believes Moyes didn't give a fuck about his job, didn't put the effort in and blamed everything and everyone for defeats and poor performances and couldn't wait to be put out of what he perceived Moyes to think was his own misery. He fucking hates him as much as I hate Pardew and blames him solely for their relegation. How can it be right that someone who has failed miserably in his last free jobs, plays a dour style of ancient football, who has a low regard of academies and younger players, who has questionable ties with certain agents, be considered a good manager worthy of appointing? I can only assume WH's owners are rolling the dice hoping to stay up with a manager already targeted/lined up for next season who is currently employed. Rafa anyone? If we are unsold come the end of the season or go down, I can see them making a move for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Been speaking to my mackem mate again today and he actually said Moyes was like the grim reaper around the club, so negative. He apparently didn't do much himself on the training ground either, which may make some sense RE any success he's had with Irvine around. The minute he walked into the door he basically said the squad wasn't good enough and would struggle to stay up, from day one it was about relegation. He like others believes Moyes didn't give a fuck about his job, didn't put the effort in and blamed everything and everyone for defeats and poor performances and couldn't wait to be put out of what he perceived Moyes to think was his own misery. He fucking hates him as much as I hate Pardew and blames him solely for their relegation. How can it be right that someone who has failed miserably in his last free jobs, plays a dour style of ancient football, who has a low regard of academies and younger players, who has questionable ties with certain agents, be considered a good manager worthy of appointing? I can only assume WH's owners are rolling the dice hoping to stay up with a manager already targeted/lined up for next season who is currently employed. Rafa anyone? If we are unsold come the end of the season or go down, I can see them making a move for him. For reasons I've never quite worked out, West Ham have a number of supporters who write in the national press. I'd put money on them also being friendly with someone like Moyes. Who better to ask for advice on your next management than football writers for The Daily Mail or The Mirror? Their mate gets the cushy job, they get a few tasty rumours and inside stories, win-win for everyone except the club & supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Saw Chris Kirkland tonight saying he would pick "Unsy" over Diego Simeone, who for some reason is being discussed for the Everton job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 "Unsy" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just call him David Insworth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Much rather have big Brexit David "Unsy" Unsworth than that forrin muck. Fwiw I think the Simeone links are people within Everton feeding the press bollocks to appease fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Saw Chris Kirkland tonight saying he would pick "Unsy" over Diego Simeone, who for some reason is being discussed for the Everton job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Much rather have big Brexit David "Unsy" Unsworth than that forrin muck. Fwiw I think the Simeone links are people within Everton feeding the press bollocks to appease fans. gonna be some shit when they appoint Fat Sam instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 IF Simeone leaves Atleti for the Prem it will be for Chelsea to replace Conte when he heads to Milan at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 IF Simeone leaves Atleti for the Prem it will be for Chelsea to replace Conte when he heads to Milan at the end of the season. I dunno, what if English youth team coaches start hoovering up all the top jobs? Plus Everton are a MASSIVE job now apparently, so he should be honoured to be considered... alongside Unsy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I wouldn't be against someone like Unsworth getting a job at a club like Everton, its kind of what happens a lot on the continent. Promote from within etc. I'd far rather see the likes of him giving a chance or a start than someone like Big Sam getting back on the managerial merry-go-round. I can't stand Ryan Giggs and think he would make a terrible manager, but even he has had some kind of apprenticeship and again I'd rather give others a chance than see the regular lot keep picking up jobs despite proving to be shit at their job. I mean you Pardew for instance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I wouldn't be against someone like Unsworth getting a job at a club like Everton, its kind of what happens a lot on the continent. Promote from withinetc. I'd far rather see the likes of him giving a chance or a start than someone like Big Sam getting back on the managerial merry-go-round. I can't stand Ryan Giggs and think he would make a terrible manager, but even he has had some kind of apprenticeship and again I'd rather give others a chance than see the regular lot keep picking up jobs despite proving to be shit at their job. I mean you Pardew for instance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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