The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Will Still Southampton manager

[GeordieDazzler]

14 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

Marco Silva? Surely not

[Geogaddi]

Spurs would be mad to not go for Tuchel.

[magvicar]

Tottenham are in danger of becoming a poisoned chalice but just like Man Utd did, it will take someone special to create a regular winning mentality and a basic togetherness throughout the club.

 

I think the problem with Tottenham may be with Levy.

You can have all the best managers but they need to be allowed to do exactly that.

If you put your trust in a manager than ensure the manager has the full backing to the best of the ability of what the club can offer.

 

I just feel there's too much input from the top and Levy as a big part of it.

 

The best fit was allowed to go for whatever reasons. Pocchettino.

No manager has touched what he's done for the club for one hell of a long time.

It may be well worth a return for him.

[GeordieDazzler]

Spurs should have won the title in the Leicester City season the fact they didn’t was massively damaging for them I think. Hard to shift the also ran mentality for them.

[enthusiast]

On 08/03/2023 at 21:08, rgk_lfc said:

 

“Parker (42) was announced as the new head coach of Club Brugge on 31 December last year. The English ex-international previously worked for Fulham and Bournemouth and replaced Carl Hoefkens at the club. In 12 games, the Briton could only win two times.”

 

I am getting the feeling they weren't that impressed with Parker. 

 

not like parker to be unable to turn things around at a reasonable speed..

 

[joeyt]

They replaced Hodgson and got exactly the same dirge

 

 

[Geogaddi]

On 10/03/2023 at 09:47, GeordieDazzler said:

Spurs should have won the title in the Leicester City season the fact they didn’t was massively damaging for them I think. Hard to shift the also ran mentality for them.

They were never remotely close or looked like winning the title that season to be fair , it’s always been held up as some sort of Spurs title challenge but it never was and they were never winning it .

[The College Dropout]

Finished 3rd in a 2 horse race. 
 

They were never winning the league that year. People just expected Leicester to collapse. 
 

Leicester won the league with 84ish points. I think both Ole and Jose got close to that. 
 

Arsenal could’ve won the league that year. But they capitulated after a last minute winner against Leicester in like Jan or Feb iirc 

[Ben]

 

[SUPERTOON]

The fa are a joke

 

 

[Stifler]

Always has been and always will be a job for the boys.

[Kid Icarus]

I think people are being far too harsh far too early with Parker. He has a lot to learn but I think he's possibly got something and he's young.

[The Bonk]

37 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I think people are being far too harsh far too early with Parker. He has a lot to learn but I think he's possibly got something and he's young.

You’re better than this, mate. 

[joeyt]

 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

14 hours ago, The Bonk said:

You’re better than this, mate. 

Time will tell. I certainly think he's got more credibility in the bank than Lampard and Gerrard at this point. 

[gbandit]

13 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Time will tell. I certainly think he's got more credibility in the bank than Lampard and Gerrard at this point. 

Don’t think that’s in doubt but might be one of the lowest managerial bars going 

[brummie]

37 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

 

 

 

Palace's tactics against us at the weekend were awful.

 

The dirtiest bastards I've seen us play in a very long time - Doucoure got sent off for two yellows in a short period, both of which merited instant reds for me. Horrible one on Boubacar Kamara (out for a couple of weeks) and minutes later, goes over the ball on Callum Chambers. 

 

Genuinely like he wanted to get sent off.

[brummie]

My concern with the likes of Frank, Potter in the past and now de Zerbi is how much their achievements are down to them and their assistants, and therefore transferrable to another club, or how much do they actually reflect the fact that they are in a role at a club which is extremely well run, much deeper than just the coaching staff. Look also at Silva, disaster at Everton - a poorly run club all round - and excelling at a relatively well run club like Fulham.

 

So if you were take someone like Frank to Spurs, is he going to be able to be as successful there, with their set up, and the way they are run? What is there about Frank that will succeed where Conte has not?

 

If Frank then does go there, he finds himself without the all-pervasive support network of a very well run club, and exposed to the elevated expectations of a club which has a bit of a weird set of expectations.

 

A club with a marvellous, very large stadium, which has played in the CL a lot and generates a lot of cash, but then hasn't won anything at all for a long time now, has only ever won the league twice (and the last time was closer to the reign of Queen Victoria than today), and appears to have developed a bit of a crisis of identity (which isn't unusual with clubs going through the amount of change they have the last few years).

 

I am not having a go at Spurs here - I have nothing against Spurs at all* - just wondering aloud how much the success of some of these seemingly excellent managers is transferrable elsewhere, and whether the real problem is much deeper within the club.

 

 

 

* - well, I do actually, I fucking hate them, but that's not why I am saying this.

 

 

Edited March 15, 2023 by brummie

[SteV]

7 minutes ago, brummie said:

My concern with the likes of Frank, Potter in the past and now de Zerbi is how much their achievements are down to them and their assistants, and therefore transferrable to another club, or how much do they actually reflect the fact that they are in a role at a club which is extremely well run, much deeper than just the coaching staff. Look also at Silva, disaster at Everton - a poorly run club all round - and excelling at a relatively well run club like Fulham.

 

So if you were take someone like Frank to Spurs, is he going to be able to be as successful there, with their set up, and the way they are run? What is there about Frank that will succeed where Conte has not?

 

If Frank then does go there, he finds himself without the all-pervasive support network of a very well run club, and exposed to the elevated expectations of a club which has a bit of a weird set of expectations.

 

A club with a marvellous, very large stadium, which has played in the CL a lot and generates a lot of cash, but then hasn't won anything at all for a long time now, has only ever won the league twice (and the last time was closer to the reign of Queen Victoria than today), and appears to have developed a bit of a crisis of identity (which isn't unusual with clubs going through the amount of change they have the last few years).

 

I am not having a go at Spurs here - I have nothing against Spurs at all* - just wondering aloud how much the success of some of these seemingly excellent managers is transferrable elsewhere, and whether the real problem is much deeper within the club.

 

 

 

* - well, I do actually, I fucking hate them, but that's not why I am saying this.

 

 

 

It’s a valid point. And probably one that is/was relevant to Howe.

 

But, in short, impossible to answer until said manager gets a gig with one of the big(ger) lads.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Spurs are a bit of a anomaly in the 'Big 6' in that their transfer policy leans more towards a project type manager than the rest do (perhaps Arsenal as well). Potter would have (will do) well at Spurs but will never achieve the same level at Chelsea as he did at Brighton - when putting the ambitions of the two clubs side by side.

 

Frank may also struggle at a Chelsea/Man U / Liverpool / City level due to the level of player he is dealing with and the different approach needed to get the most out of them compared to what he has at Brentford. I dare say he would also do a great job at Spurs and would definitely succeed at Villa or Us.

 

Longer than needed way of saying managing a 'big 6' club is a completely different job to the rest of the league

[Geogaddi]

Spurs got incredibly lucky getting one of the best strikers of all time for nothing, they would likely have been nowhere near the top 4 without him. They are a level below the big 6 for me, the other 5 all win trophies for a starters and are only one good season away from challenging for the title, 4th is pretty much the ceiling for Spurs really, they might finish higher than that if the others have a bad season but you just know they will never seriously challenge for the league or do anything of note.

[The College Dropout]

Spurs have been fantastically well-run imo. They just don't win trophies but in truth, they are the 6th place in terms of top 6 but they finish top 4 more often than not.

 

They haven't had a big hit in the transfer market for some time. But they had a great run from Modric, Berbatov, Bale, Kane & Son.

[The College Dropout]

24 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Spurs have been fantastically well-run imo. They just don't win trophies but in truth, they are the 6th place in terms of top 6 but they finish top 4 more often than not.

 

They haven't had a big hit in the transfer market for some time. But they had a great run from Modric, Berbatov, Bale, Kane & Son.

To add, 20-40 years ago. Spurs consistently finished 8th-12th in the league. Historically no bigger than us, Everton or Villa but they've jumped into an elite bracket over the last 20 years thanks to Levy.

 

They should have won a couple trophies tbf 

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Guest]

Mendieta or Boateng next?