The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[joeyt]

Just because he didn't have much managerial experience (plenty of excellent assistant jobs though) and didn't think he'd be the one to motivate them and keep them up. He's been a really good choice for them though and I was wrong to doubt it

[The College Dropout]

Agree with Joeyt. Nothing against Bradley. But the team looked worse than it did under Guidolin. Lost something like 8 out of 10. And his replacement has them doing much better. Ligue 2 and a club team in Norway isn't pedigree.

 

Also agree about Clement. wasn't brilliant at Derby. Plenty of Assistants dont' make top coaches. But the proof looks to be in the pudding so far.

[Guest neesy111]

Bradley was a disaster for Swansea no other way about it and a terrible choice considering the managers available.

[Yorkie]

Shite appointment.

 

Quoyt loyk fackin Paww Clement, mind.

[mrmojorisin75]

Beyond me how anyone can lay into Bradley like. Not sure he came across that well at Swansea but in terms of track record etc. there's just no argument.

 

But Americans call "football" "soccer". He's clearly shit.

 

The hatred for Bradley is based on nothing but Trump-esque logic

Not that shit, just didn't seem to have any kind of personality about him. Not that that matters but when you're not getting results it doesn't help. Media all over him for fuck all though I agree.

[Kaizero]

Agree with Joeyt. Nothing against Bradley. But the team looked worse than it did under Guidolin. Lost something like 8 out of 10. And his replacement has them doing much better. Ligue 2 and a club team in Norway isn't pedigree.

 

Again, the worst kind of argument to make. He doesn't have top league experience, so a bad appoitment. Well, how do you get top league experience if not by actually doing an amazing job in poorer leagues? (Unless your name is Ryan Giggs or similar).

 

I'm not saying he did well at Swansea. He did horrible. However he had eleven games and the media were on his back before he had the team play their first game under him. He was an astute appointment if you take him by his actual merits throughout his career.

 

1. Does well on a small budget.

2. Makes his teams full of mediocre to bad players constantly overperform.

3. Can manage to keep things going even when losing his best players.

4. Had a well thought out game plan that's proven effective throughout his career (see his career win percentage pre-Swansea.)

 

Admittedly point 4 failed at Swansea, but Swansea did not have the players that suited his preferred style - yet. He has a very clear preferred style of play and buys players suiting that style, which I think is how he keeps getting his teams to perform well even if the players are shit/were shit for other teams. They suit the system and the system is very effective.

 

Saying he was a bad appointment based on his lack of "pedigree" is amazingly stupid. Sorry.

 

He did fail massively at Swansea though, but he was sacked without even getting a window - which he had made plans for already. I don't know if he could have turned it around, but I believe the media sacked him. Not his actual eleven games in charge. If he was British he'd have gotten at least until mid-February, for better or worse.

[Guest neesy111]

Kaiz your bias for him in that post is ridiculous.  Window or no window, Swansea look 1000x more solid defensively since they sacked him and tbf they looked ok defensively before he took over and he made them far worse.

[Kaizero]

Nah, you're just missing the point of my argument. The argument is not whether or not he did well at Swansea - he did horribly - the argument is that he was not a bad appointment when being appointed. The media was out for blood the second he was announced without even considering what he'd done in his career. He absolutely earned the chance on merit, and his past career made him a good fit for Swansea. In the end it turned out badly, yes. But that does not mean he shouldn't have gotten the chance.

[Kaizero]

That I think he should've gotten more time to turn things around is my personal bias though. I'm not arguing that there weren't reasons to sack him, there clearly were.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

He was setup to fail from day one, media on his back immediately because he wasn't Ryan Giggs which undoubtedly undermind his position with the club, players and fans.

 

[DJ_NUFC]

Is this real life?

 

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38962906

 

Would a PFM / British manager be called out by the likes of Sutton had he won the premiership season before? It's been 5 defeats in a row. We had loads of those under Pards, and every cunt in the media was busy calling us deluded.

[madras]

Is this real life?

 

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38962906

 

Would a PFM / British manager be called out by the likes of Sutton had he won the premiership season before? It's been 5 defeats in a row. We had loads of those under Pards, and every c*** in the media was busy calling us deluded.

Don't get your point. Would a british manager be called out after winning the title ? Probably not but the fact that Sutton is and other journos are seems to go against what you're saying. Or am I missing something ?

[BlackandWhite]

Bradley and Moyes (when appointed Man U manager) are classic example of why you don't let bias come into your judgements and especially when you're selecting people for a certain role.

 

We all know Moyes only got the Man United job because Fegie wanted him to succeed him. And we all know that's because his background was very similar to Fergie's. Average player in his day, Scottish, started his way from the bottom up, etc.

 

We all know Bradley got the job because he's American and Swansea are owned by, you guessed it, Americans.

 

Both lead to dire results on the field as we all know.

 

You could possibly suspect the same thing with Pardew being appointed our manager. Sacked by a league one club, but a wanker and dickhead of a cockney very similarly to somebody else we all know. Oh yeah, the dickhead who owns our club.

[DJ_NUFC]

Is this real life?

 

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38962906

 

Would a PFM / British manager be called out by the likes of Sutton had he won the premiership season before? It's been 5 defeats in a row. We had loads of those under Pards, and every c*** in the media was busy calling us deluded.

Don't get your point. Would a british manager be called out after winning the title ? Probably not but the fact that Sutton is and other journos are seems to go against what you're saying. Or am I missing something ?

 

I was talking about the harsh words from Sutton in the media calling for the sacking of Ranieri. We suffered horrendous seasons under Pards and people called us ... you get my point?

[madras]

Is this real life?

 

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38962906

 

Would a PFM / British manager be called out by the likes of Sutton had he won the premiership season before? It's been 5 defeats in a row. We had loads of those under Pards, and every c*** in the media was busy calling us deluded.

Don't get your point. Would a british manager be called out after winning the title ? Probably not but the fact that Sutton is and other journos are seems to go against what you're saying. Or am I missing something ?

 

I was talking about the harsh words from Sutton in the media calling for the sacking of Ranieri. We suffered horrendous seasons under Pards and people called us ... you get my point?

Now I do, aye!

[gazza ladra]

What? 

 

 

Did you watch the USA under Bradley? We were fucking dreadful. Sure, the US qualified for the World Cup, but making it out of  CONCACAF is no mean feat. Gifted a place in in the last 16 by England. Beat Algeria, (woo hoo!) Worst US side since Steve Sampson.

 

What did he accomplish with Egypt? Some 2nd division French side? Horrible appointment by Swansea; they were right to run him out ASAP.

[Kaizero]

I give up, fucking guy comes in trying to say Klinsmann's USA was better than Bradley's. There's no reason to the world.

[gazza ladra]

I give up, fucking guy comes in trying to say Klinsmann's USA was better than Bradley's. There's no reason to the world.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_men's_national_soccer_team_managers

 

The football was much, much better under Klinsmann. Bradley's team was dreadful to watch.

[Kaizero]

I give up, fucking guy comes in trying to say Klinsmann's USA was better than Bradley's. There's no reason to the world.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_men's_national_soccer_team_managers

 

The football was much, much better under Klinsmann. Bradley's team was dreadful to watch.

 

I've probably watched 80% of all US matches the past decade or so. However, you are entitled to your opinion, but that is again not the argument here. The argument is that Bob Bradley deserved his shot in the PL on merit due to his 25 years of coaching experience and what he's done with those years. The argument is that if a guy with Bradley's record is a "horrible appointment" before he's been given a shot in the PL - because he's never managed in a "big" league - then how does anyone deserve the chance in a "big" league to get that "big" league experience? Would Ryan Giggs make a better managerial appointment because he's played for Manchester United? That's what most UK pundits were saying, at least. Which is nonsense.

 

People should've looked at his appointment as an interesting one, and discussed his past meris (which are quite good - even if not in any major leagues). Rather the argument was that an American nobody got the gig ahead of Ryan Giggs and he would fail because he was American and called a penalty a "PK". That is what annoys me. Yes, he failed, and there's understanding as to why he was sacked. People did not know that in advance though, his record prior to Swansea was great. It's just a bullshit situation, see Marco Silva for another example. Why didn't Hull try for Ryan Giggs instead? I mean, he played for Manchester United after all. Who does this guy think he is, making teams overperform in sub-standard leagues and then going to another sub-standard league doing well with a weird team whose name we can't pronounce. Who does he think he is?! Clearly has no career that merits a shot at a PL job!!

[gazza ladra]

Kaizero,

 

Did that 80% of US matches you watched include the 0-5 home loss to Mexico in the Gold Cup final?  Just wondering.

 

If Bradley had proved himself in the Ligue 1, Serie A, La Liga,  Bundlesliga, the Championship, I could see it. MLS, Norway, and the French second division don't cut it.

[Groo]

If Bob Bradley had  a northern accent, would he have been sacked?

 

Turns out Fat Shams record with Palace is identical to Bob's time at Swansea.

 

(got this from talksport )

 

Allardyce should be sacked imo.

 

But Bradley was awful. And has zero track record. Sam is a busted flush though.

 

Pure complete and utter bullshit.

 

He literally took a team with zero budget to compete for the title against teams with insane budgets (comperatively). Leaving with a win percentage of 52.78% and the team one match from being relegated the season after he left - just to knock home just what a miracle he did there.

 

45.45% win percentage at Le Havre, on course for promotion when Swansea snapped him up.

 

Made the US a competitive outfit on the world stage - then compare that achievement to what his replacement managed to do (tank the US completely) with a much better pool of players.

 

54.91% career win percentage - all with teams not expected to do well compared to their opposition.

 

Trump level bullshit from TCD. Bradley is one of the better low budget managers in the world. Yet to see him with a big budget so can't judge him on that.

 

 

Sounds like someone's arguing the corner for Rafa's replacement if he's goes to Arsenal   

 

 

Anyone who thinks Bradley is as good as Bradley thinks he is is completely 

[Groo]

Beyond me how anyone can lay into Bradley like. Not sure he came across that well at Swansea but in terms of track record etc. there's just no argument.

 

But Americans call "football" "soccer". He's clearly s***.

 

The hatred for Bradley is based on nothing but Trump-esque logic

 

For Swansea fans the hatred was purely on the fact that he didn't know what he was doing.

 

In reality we didn't hate him, just believed he was offered a job that he should not have been, the previous manager having been shafted by the new American board and their desire for an American manager.

 

Yes he had a decent record in the past but he had never managed at a top level and had never experienced anything at a top level.

 

Swansea's success has always been continuity with manager's, Bob was not from the same die, he had no idea how to use the players there and had no idea how to organise a defence.

[Groo]

Just because he didn't have much managerial experience (plenty of excellent assistant jobs though) and didn't think he'd be the one to motivate them and keep them up. He's been a really good choice for them though and I was wrong to doubt it

 

His preferred playing style fits right in with us, a number of fans have been fighting his corner for a number of years.

[Groo]

He was setup to fail from day one, media on his back immediately because he wasn't Ryan Giggs which undoubtedly undermind his position with the club, players and fans.

 

 

Believe me, no-one in the stands at Swansea wanted Giggs.

 

I should add when Guidolin was unjustifiably sacked, the majority of fans wanted Clement or Rowett.

[Kaizero]

Kaizero,

 

Did that 80% of US matches you watched include the 0-5 home loss to Mexico in the Gold Cup final?  Just wondering.

 

If Bradley had proved himself in the Ligue 1, Serie A, La Liga,  Bundlesliga, the Championship, I could see it. MLS, Norway, and the French second division don't cut it.

 

 

You're just underlining the very argument I'm making that managers need to prove themselves outside the big leagues to get a shot at the big leagues, and that good results in "lesser" leagues is a compliment to their skill - not a stick to beat them with. See my Marco Silva example. If Bradley had proven himself in the big leagues, he'd not need to prove himself outside the big leagues to get a shot at the big leagues. What even is this argument. What. Did you read anything I wrote?

 

And yes, I watched that loss. I also watched Klinsmanns US lose 4-0 to Costa Rica, lose the Gold Cup to Jamaica and an absolute embarrasment of a 2-0 loss against Guatemala.

 

Again, the argument I'm making is not that he didn't fuck up royally at Swansea - he did. And even though it was very early to sack him after eleven games, you could argue it was the right call depending on how Clement does. The argument is that he was well hung by the media and fans before he even had a chance when his track record prior to Swansea was very good - which is what I'm annoyed with. I'm equally annoyed at the way people went on about Marco Silva just recently. Guy has a fucking league title as a manager, yet Ryan Giggs should get the fucking gig instead. Fuck.