Si Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Criticism of Howe really irks me like. Bournemouth have spent 10 seasons in their entire history above the 3rd tier of English football - seven of them under Howe. They are a League 1/League 2 club and always have been. He took over when they were bottom of the Football League on -17 points and took them to the Premier League. There's never been a job like that done in my lifetime, it is astonishing. Like, you might not want him in charge of Newcastle, or think he's good enough to take a bigger job, that's all fine, whatever. But to say some of the stuff I see written about him, that he's a bog average manager who's done an average job, just fuck off. This attitude that pervades English football that you're basically not worth your salary unless you can conquer the Premier League is awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Somewhat excited to see what comes next for him. He's the sort of manager that, in a non-Ashley world, I'd be sceptical but yet massively on board with were we to appoint him. I generally loathe the suggestion that clubs have ceilings or have reached their limit but I think, given that Bournemouth are such a small club, they probably did hit a ceiling. That 4-3 against Liverpool a few years ago, for instance, and going on to finish in the top half, must surely be reasonable enough a peak for any club with gates of about ~12000 and who's spent the majority of its existence in the third and fourth tiers. I mean, what sort of players or management or investment could that club reasonably expect to recruit/achieve beyond the standard they did. Howe's transfer record has been really questionable but I suppose that's the market he's had to operate in, where the likes of Solanke are the best category of striker they're likely to attract. Be interesting to see how he does at a club with more resources and more potential. He's obviously a brilliant coach, given how he guided lower level players into the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Bournemouth under-performed under Howe given the money spent. He's not one of the special managers who are likely to significantly improve a team. He's not a terrible manager either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 That's How, for now. Applause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Bournemouth under-performed under Howe given the money spent. He's not one of the special managers who are likely to significantly improve a team. He's not a terrible manager either. https://www.transferleague.co.uk/squad-cost-comparisons/front-page/premier-league-squad-cost-how-much-did-each-club-spend-on-their-current-players Can’t see the figures for last season, but season before he had the 4th most cheaply assembled squad in the league. Two of the three who were cheaper went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Bournemouth under-performed under Howe given the money spent. He's not one of the special managers who are likely to significantly improve a team. He's not a terrible manager either. He got them from the fourth tier to the Premier League. Is that underperforming? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Think some of the later expensive buys that failed have skewed people's views. He did a really good job, shame it ended with relegation but he can look back with massive pride imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Got a lot of time for Howe, just one of those things when his ideas etc weren't working this season. They actually did improve massively after we beat them but was too late. Did an amazing job at Bournemouth, as Wullie[/member] says look at where they've been throughout their history. He'll get a PL job soon no doubt. Yes he's had some expensive flops, will say I think it's unlikely he was the one agreeing those deals and also every club makes them at some stage. Hard job attracting players to such a small club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Turned his Legaue 1 and Championship players into PL players. Players like Steve Cook, Callum Wilson, Adam Smith, Charlie Daniels, Ryan Fraser, Matt Ritchie all turned into decent PL players for a season or two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Yep. It’s not Football Manager where you stay up, finish mid-table, qualify for Europe then qualify for Champions League. The reality is they were always going to be susceptible to a bad season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 16th, 9th, 12th & 14th before this season. Come on man that’s amazing for a club like Bournemouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Howe did really well overall, but they've always conceded too many goals in the Premier League. I reckon he needs a rest, but surely will be back maybe mid-season with another club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 16th, 9th, 12th & 14th before this season. Come on man that’s amazing for a club like Bournemouth. He's took them from the bottom of the football league to 9th in the PL across his 2 spells . That's an astonishing achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 But Ibe. Ironically a player Rafa tried to sign before he went to Bournemouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Actually bottom of the EFL with 17 point gap to safety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Howe did an amazing job, is a fine manger and good luck to him. What he achieved with Bournemouth was staggering and won’t be bettered anywhere lose at those levels/size of club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Going to palaces next manager i reckon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Wonder if Bournemouth look at the trend of some of the other ‘small’ clubs who’ve been relegated recently and plump for someone like Allardyce to try and get them up first time by hook or by crook. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Howe's unlucky in that he's English. If he were in Spain, Italy, Germany, there's absolutely no question he'd have been given a big job in those respective countries by now. Coaches have a very different succession structure outside the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Howe's unlucky in that he's English. If he were in Spain, Italy, Germany, there's absolutely no question he'd have been given a big job in those respective countries by now. Coaches have a very different succession structure outside the Premier League. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I’d have him here in a heartbeat, it will be interesting mind to see if he can progress with another (bigger/different type) club in the same way it would be if Dyche moved. Some managers are just ideally suited to one club or a certain type of club/doing a certain type of job, ala Allardyce or Moyes. I think Howe out of them all though, is a league above them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Going to palaces next manager i reckon That would be interesting. They’d need quite a lot of player changes to play his way though. I’d go to a couple of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Howe's unlucky in that he's English. If he were in Spain, Italy, Germany, there's absolutely no question he'd have been given a big job in those respective countries by now. Coaches have a very different succession structure outside the Premier League. Preferring people like Lampard and Arteta with no managerial experience is very strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Don't see how's it strange tbh, Spanish teams do it quite regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Never mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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