The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Dokko]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

His teams are super high energy and tend to burn out, similar to us in the 22/23 and 23/24 seasons. As a result, they're also incredibly streaky.

 

I think if his side qualified for Europe he'd have to learn the hard way, just like Howe has and go through a similar evolution.

 

Mad this is a thing now, when I said it was a concern (about Howe), it wasn't something you could throw at a manager. World has moved on, I suppose.

[Lush Vlad]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

His teams are super high energy and tend to burn out, similar to us in the 22/23 and 23/24 seasons. As a result, they're also incredibly streaky.

 

I think if his side qualified for Europe he'd have to learn the hard way, just like Howe has and go through a similar evolution.

Far smaller budget and squad depth at Bournemouth, in fairness. They’ve sold plenty of big names and still carried on over-performing, too. 
 

I find them great to watch. Whilst also frustrating as fuck when we play them. 
 

I think he’d be great here. But it sounds like we’re rolling with Howe and he deserves time and patience. Even though I have my reservations about him turning it around. 

[The Prophet]

5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Mad this is a thing now, when I said it was a concern (about Howe), it wasn't something you could throw at a manager. World has moved on, I suppose.

 

I definetly think you could get away with it at least a bit more a few seasons ago.

 

Howe was a bit of a trailblazer for the physical, man-to-man, duelfest Premier League football has become. It now means pretty much every game is an energy sapping slog.

 

Adapt or die, I suppose.

[The Prophet]

4 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Far smaller budget and squad depth at Bournemouth, in fairness. They’ve sold plenty of big names and still carried on over-performing, too. 
 

I find them great to watch. Whilst also frustrating as fuck when we play them. 
 

I think he’d be great here. But it sounds like we’re rolling with Howe and he deserves time and patience. Even though I have my reservations about him turning it around. 

 

He's done an incredible job, especially given his budget and the sales he's had to endure.

 

If we were looking for pure continuity, he'd be a good pick. Obviously seems a bit more flexible on the transfer front too.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

I definetly think you could get away with it at least a bit more a few seasons ago.

 

Howe was a bit of a trailblazer for the physical, man-to-man, duelfest Premier League football has become. It now means pretty much every game is an energy sapping slog.

 

Adapt or die, I suppose.

 

This is the disapointing thing for me, I don't think Howe has. It was a concern (for me) but not a reality. It feels like its very much that now. He'll do well next season with limited games. But we're back to this the season after.

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

I definetly think you could get away with it at least a bit more a few seasons ago.

 

Howe was a bit of a trailblazer for the physical, man-to-man, duelfest Premier League football has become. It now means pretty much every game is an energy sapping slog.

 

Adapt or die, I suppose.

 

Yeah, I really do think the game caught up to what he's doing and he's not adapted.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

He's done an incredible job, especially given his budget and the sales he's had to endure.

 

If we were looking for pure continuity, he'd be a good pick. Obviously seems a bit more flexible on the transfer front too.

Bournemouth are much better on the ball than us as well, although it’s definitely not their style. Not fully sold on him though, it may just be the perfect storm for him at Bournemouth.

[janpawel]

If we're deffo sticking with Howe, it would have been good to see Iraola & Bournemouth in Europe next season, to see how he handles it

 

Has he ever managed in Europe with a club? 

[duo]

39 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

He's got some limitations to his game.

Limitations? He lost Huijsen,  Kerkez, Ouattara, Semenyo yet has still managed to potentially steer the club to Europe.  We lost one player and fell apart. 

[duo]

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

 

Perfect strorm. He's the biggest drama queen going. I like Jose more than most, but that's not why he's there. He WILL fall out with a load of players. Unless that's what they want to happen

He'll win them the league next season - they've a phenomenal squad just too many egos.  He'll sort them out.

[The Prophet]

5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

This is the disapointing thing for me, I don't think Howe has. It was a concern (for me) but not a reality. It feels like its very much that now. He'll do well next season with limited games. But we're back to this the season after.

 

I know it'll never happen, but I'd love Howe to sit down and explain what the plan was this season. Sometimes you can see quite clearly what we're trying to do and it's a failure in execution, but at others (particularly at home) it looks a bit of a mess.

 

I definetly think there's signs over the last couple of seasons that he has tried to evolve, but it isn't always clear what the end goal is. Hopefully it comes together for the start of next season.

[The Prophet]

9 minutes ago, duo said:

Limitations? He lost Huijsen,  Kerkez, Ouattara, Semenyo yet has still managed to potentially steer the club to Europe.  We lost one player and fell apart. 

 

If we're being reductive, sure.

[Wallsendmag]

59 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Strange that you would think this was an odd assumption to make 

 

Not an assumption. When people were asking for alternatives to Howe any mention of Alonso was met with, "he's nailed on for Liverpool". Just scroll back though this thread if you don't believe me.

[andycap]

48 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

His teams are super high energy and tend to burn out, similar to us in the 22/23 and 23/24 seasons. As a result, they're also incredibly streaky.

 

I think if his side qualified for Europe he'd have to learn the hard way, just like Howe has and go through a similar evolution.

Maybe. but most Spanish managers are good at rotating whilst getting results so that might be in his favour. 

[vexred]

11 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not an assumption. When people were asking for alternatives to Howe any mention of Alonso was met with, "he's nailed on for Liverpool". Just scroll back though this thread if you don't believe me.

 

I was one of them. Just made sense that he'd go to Liverpool where he's beloved. 

[The Prophet]

Sorry if posted, but with so many players liking this, surely Slot is toast?

 

[Milburn]

33 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

know it'll never happen, but I'd love Howe to sit down and explain what the plan was this season. Sometimes you can see quite clearly what we're trying to do and it's a failure in execution, but at others (particularly at home) it looks a bit of a mess.

 

I definetly think there's signs over the last couple of seasons that he has tried to evolve, but it isn't always clear what the end goal is. Hopefully it comes together for the start of next season.

And that’s exactly what separates him from the very best managers.

 

The elite coaches don’t just “try to evolve”; you can actually see the evolution. There’s a clear direction, clear ideas, and clear adaptations when things stop working.

 

With Howe it increasingly feels like small tweaks around the edges of the same old 4-3-3 rather than genuine evolution. And in many ways the circle is now complete with the season ending once again with Dan Burn at left back and Joelinton on the left wing. After years of the “project”, we’ve somehow ended up right back almost where we started.

[Cf]

5 minutes ago, Milburn said:

And that’s exactly what separates him from the very best managers.

 

The elite coaches don’t just “try to evolve”; you can actually see the evolution. There’s a clear direction, clear ideas, and clear adaptations when things stop working. And $$$$$$ to make those ideas become reality. 

 

With Howe it increasingly feels like small tweaks around the edges of the same old 4-3-3 rather than genuine evolution. And in many ways the circle is now complete with the season ending once again with Dan Burn at left back and Joelinton on the left wing. After years of the “project”, we’ve somehow ended up right back almost where we started.

 

[Fak]

12 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Sorry if posted, but with so many players liking this, surely Slot is toast?

 

 

Hes a right precious little bairn. 

[The Prophet]

7 minutes ago, Milburn said:

And that’s exactly what separates him from the very best managers.

 

The elite coaches don’t just “try to evolve”; you can actually see the evolution. There’s a clear direction, clear ideas, and clear adaptations when things stop working.

 

With Howe it increasingly feels like small tweaks around the edges of the same old 4-3-3 rather than genuine evolution. And in many ways the circle is now complete with the season ending once again with Dan Burn at left back and Joelinton on the left wing. After years of the “project”, we’ve somehow ended up right back almost where we started.

 

I think you've covered two points here.

 

The very best managers usually have far more resources at their disposal. The more recent successful evolutions coming from the likes of Pep, Arteta and Klopp. It may be that Howe isn't capable of evolving, but if he is, it'll take him longer as he can't go out and throw huge wages at some of Europe's best players.

 

I disagree with the second point. Yes Howe has stuck with 4-3-3, but the 21/22, 22/23 and 24/25 sides were all successful, but tactically very different sides. I've gone on about it at length before so I won't bore everyone to tears.

[duo]

18 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Sorry if posted, but with so many players liking this, surely Slot is toast?

 

..other than defend

 

 

Edited May 16 by duo

[bobbydazzla]

19 minutes ago, vexred said:

 

I was one of them. Just made sense that he'd go to Liverpool where he's beloved. 

What makes sense is often not what will happen 

[Robster]

21 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Sorry if posted, but with so many players liking this, surely Slot is toast?

 

What a classless twat. 

 

[Milburn]

9 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

Give me a break. Howe has spent close to £800m since the takeover and people still act like he’s performing miracles with a Championship budget.

 

At some point the manager has to evolve too. He has failed big time this season. 

[Andy84]

21 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Sorry if posted, but with so many players liking this, surely Slot is toast?