The Prophet Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 It's easy to stay drop Rooney but he's still England's best player and more than capable of being a match winner. Exactly when and where has this ever happened for England in a major tournament in the last decade since 2004? He is not our best player and not a match winner at international level. Name me one example in a tournament since Euro 2004 he has done this? Exactly. He hasn't but who has? He's still our best player. That's coming from someone that hates the scouse twat too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 It's easy to stay drop Rooney but he's still England's best player and more than capable of being a match winner. Exactly when and where has this ever happened for England in a major tournament in the last decade since 2004? He is not our best player and not a match winner at international level. Name me one example in a tournament since Euro 2004 he has done this? Exactly. Horrific craic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I think Columbia would.probably gave too.much for us in the last 16 like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Stupid playing Rooney out wide. No reason you can't have a front 4 of Barkley, Sterling, Rooney and Sturridge. This. This. This. This. This. This.This. This. This.This. This. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I don't think Gerrard was "piss poor" by any stretch of the imagination like. He was absolutely shite man You're talking shite. I'm not. What did Gerrard do to positively affect England's game? What did he do negatively to affect England's game? He was sat deep and attempted to distribute the ball, like he was asked. I'm not really sure what he did to be considered shite tbh. He isn't Pirlo, I think we established that 2 years ago. He barely touched the ball in a meaningful way. Do you not think that negatively affects the team? For a defensive midfielder he didn't win any ball, he let Marchisio in behind him loads of times Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 The weakness of the 4-2-3-1 with England's players is that Gerrard does not have the legs to cover his fullback and the forward 4 aren't in a position to either. Not sure how it can be address except with another DM instead of Gerrard, but we don't really have one in the squad. The amount of times Baines was exposed was a bit scary. Enough positives overall though, especially Sturridge, Welbeck and Sterling. Should get enough points off the other two teams to progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 It's easy to stay drop Rooney but he's still England's best player and more than capable of being a match winner. Exactly when and where has this ever happened for England in a major tournament in the last decade since 2004? He is not our best player and not a match winner at international level. Name me one example in a tournament since Euro 2004 he has done this? Exactly. He hasn't but who has? He's still our best player. That's coming from someone that hates the scouse t*** too. Owen Hargreaves in 2006, Jermain Defoe in 2010. I don't give two shits what he does at a club level, at international level he's near the bottom of the pile for quality. Sterling is clearly our best player, the fact three Italians surrounded him every time proves that they thought this too. Compare Balotelli, who scored a much tougher chance. That's a match winner. Rooney can single handily lose us matches. Never seen him win us won internationally at a major tournament . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I don't think Gerrard was "piss poor" by any stretch of the imagination like. He was absolutely shite man You're talking shite. I'm not. What did Gerrard do to positively affect England's game? What did he do negatively to affect England's game? He was sat deep and attempted to distribute the ball, like he was asked. I'm not really sure what he did to be considered shite tbh. He isn't Pirlo, I think we established that 2 years ago. He barely touched the ball in a meaningful way. Do you not think that negatively affects the team? For a defensive midfielder he didn't win any ball, he let Marchisio in behind him loads of times He's not a "defensive midfielder" though, I don't think he can ever be expected to sht down his man. He was involved though and he rarely if ever wasted the ball. I think we need to look at the midfield as a whole but I'm not having it that Gerrard was individually shit like, he wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Owen Hargreaves a match winner? Aye why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I don't think Gerrard was "piss poor" by any stretch of the imagination like. He was absolutely shite man You're talking shite. I'm not. What did Gerrard do to positively affect England's game? What did he do negatively to affect England's game? He was sat deep and attempted to distribute the ball, like he was asked. I'm not really sure what he did to be considered shite tbh. He isn't Pirlo, I think we established that 2 years ago. He barely touched the ball in a meaningful way. Do you not think that negatively affects the team? For a defensive midfielder he didn't win any ball, he let Marchisio in behind him loads of times He's not a "defensive midfielder" though, I don't think he can ever be expected to sht down his man. He was involved though and he rarely if ever wasted the ball. I think we need to look at the midfield as a whole but I'm not having it that Gerrard was individually shit like, he wasn't. Ok we'll agree to disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Anyway, it's really refreshing actually wanting to support an exciting team, rather than it feeling like an utter chore. England were so shit to watch, for so long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Owen Hargreaves a match winner? Aye why not? He's not good and I didn't rate him. But 2006 he was undoubtedly our best player. People forget he won player of the tournament for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtm_92 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 still 1 game left. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 The weakness of the 4-2-3-1 with England's players is that Gerrard does not have the legs to cover his fullback and the forward 4 aren't in a position to either. Not sure how it can be address except with another DM instead of Gerrard, but we don't really have one in the squad. The amount of times Baines was exposed was a bit scary. Enough positives overall though, especially Sturridge, Welbeck and Sterling. Should get enough points off the other two teams to progress. Yeah, I think it's a role Jones could cover in certain games. We really did need someone with more defensive knowledge to plug some gaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Seriously overdosing on football today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 The weakness of the 4-2-3-1 with England's players is that Gerrard does not have the legs to cover his fullback and the forward 4 aren't in a position to either. Not sure how it can be address except with another DM instead of Gerrard, but we don't really have one in the squad. The amount of times Baines was exposed was a bit scary. Enough positives overall though, especially Sturridge, Welbeck and Sterling. Should get enough points off the other two teams to progress. Really hope so, but I don't see it. The performance today could have been something to build on if there had been a positive result to go with it, but I don't think this team have the character/experience to bounce back from disappointment here. I could see the performance dipping badly against Uruguay. Tournament ends with on the pitch in a draw against Costa Rica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 The weakness of the 4-2-3-1 with England's players is that Gerrard does not have the legs to cover his fullback and the forward 4 aren't in a position to either. Not sure how it can be address except with another DM instead of Gerrard, but we don't really have one in the squad. The amount of times Baines was exposed was a bit scary. Enough positives overall though, especially Sturridge, Welbeck and Sterling. Should get enough points off the other two teams to progress. Yeah, I think it's a role Jonas could cover in certain games. We really did need someone with more defensive knowledge to plug some gaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Hart man, have some self respect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 The Uruguay game is fascinating. Campbell showed how vulnerable they are to pace but they're dangerous from set pieces and if they have any sense Suarez will be starting on the right hand side of a front thre against a vulnerable looking Baines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Hoddle giving no shits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 The Uruguay game is fascinating. Campbell showed how vulnerable they are to pace but they're dangerous from set pieces and if they have any sense Suarez will be starting on the right hand side of a front thre against a vulnerable looking Baines. you have to question how fit Suarez can possibly be by the time thursday comes around, surely if he was anywhere close to being ready he comes on today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 For some reason, this game is the one I'm looking forward to the most out of today;s matches. It's f***ing 4am and I'm still going. f*** it. A month every 4 years innit. Howay Tiote/Yaya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Come on Nippon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Thought England were the better team for the majority of the match. Looked lively going forward, missed a few chances that could've just as easily gone in. For all the criticism he received prior, Welbeck had a very good game. Sturridge and Sterling as well. Defense looked a bit suspect, which is cause for concern. Baines got merked on the cross to Balotelli and it seemed like Cahill misread it. Nice clearance from Jagielka on the Balotelli chip though. I still think England will make it out of the group, but they really needed at least a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 ISMAEL Tiote? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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