NUFC media bans - Telegraph now banned from club

[Wullie]

Not sure why anyone thinks Pardew should resign.  Idealistic crap basically.

 

He's perfectly within his rights not to resign.

 

However I'm also within mine to think that he's a spineless coward with no self respect whose only purpose in life is to coat Mike Ashley's arsehole in saliva on a daily basis.

 

You can think what you like.  I just think it's unrealistic to expect many managers to resign on principle.  99% of managers will just hang on until they are sacked either hoping for a pay off or until they have something else lined up.

 

That's bullshit, managers resign all the time. Gullit walked, Roeder walked, obviously Keegan. Holloway walked last week! 99%? Nah. They're not all horrible selfish cunts like Alan Pardew.

 

[Happy Face]

What argument do you think I'm making here?

 

Your first contribution was loaded with sarcasm about Pardew having the piss taken out of him by his employers, making him ignoble for not speaking out...or going further.  Resigning?

 

Nah mate you're right, he should sit there, say nothing in reprobate, and just continue to do the job he's clearly not qualified to do whilst simultaneously having the piss taken out of him by his employers. It's certainly the most noble thing to do.

 

There was nothing constructive there about what he should actually do.  So feel free to put me right on that score.

 

My only worry is Newcastle United, and I'm still confused by the disconnect in the views of some fans which suggests people want a new manager to come in under Ashley, a man of integrity, not beholden to Ashley, a man to to tell it like it is and even walk out if their pride is too hurt.  Because that man wouldn't last half a season.

 

I am happy to have an arse licking bell end do the job.  I would like the arse licking bell end to be a better tactician, but that's a difficult balance to find.

[Happy Face]

We demand a manager that will resign as soon as he gets the job!!

 

[David Icke - Son of God]

I think most people would be happy with a manager who wasn't shit. The fact he's a patsy is secondary really, however the way some people try to paint him as this poor downtrodden sod who would've already been on the first road out of here if he wasn't a selfless masochist gets on people's tits.

[Wullie]

I'd prefer him to resign because he's woefully bad at it but I'll take what I can get.

[Disco]

I think most people would be happy with a manager who wasn't shit. The fact he's a patsy is secondary really, however the way some people try to paint him as this poor downtrodden sod who would've already been on the first road out of here if he wasn't a selfless masochist gets on people's tits.

 

[Happy Face]

I think most people would be happy with a manager who wasn't shit. The fact he's a patsy is secondary really, however the way some people try to paint him as this poor downtrodden sod who would've already been on the first road out of here if he wasn't a selfless masochist gets on people's tits.

 

The problem is that Ashley sees it the exact opposite way. 

 

His priority is to have a patsy, the football is secondary.

 

That will apply to his replacement too.

[David Icke - Son of God]

I think most people would be happy with a manager who wasn't shit. The fact he's a patsy is secondary really, however the way some people try to paint him as this poor downtrodden sod who would've already been on the first road out of here if he wasn't a selfless masochist gets on people's tits.

 

The problem is that Ashley sees it the exact opposite way. 

 

His priority is to have a patsy, the football is secondary.

 

That will apply to his replacement too.

 

I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though.

[TRon]

I think most people would be happy with a manager who wasn't shit. The fact he's a patsy is secondary really, however the way some people try to paint him as this poor downtrodden sod who would've already been on the first road out of here if he wasn't a selfless masochist gets on people's tits.

 

The problem is that Ashley sees it the exact opposite way. 

 

His priority is to have a patsy, the football is secondary.

 

That will apply to his replacement too.

 

Not necessarily. Even a football ignoramus like Ashley has the capacity to learn. I'm sure after we finished 5th and players like Ben Arfa and Tiote were being valued at 4x what they are worth now, Pardew must have seemed like a good idea. If Ashley has any interest in buying players at a low price and building a sell on value then he'll be looking at Pardew with some concern now.

[manosdepiedra]

I think most people would be happy with a manager who wasn't s***. The fact he's a patsy is secondary really, however the way some people try to paint him as this poor downtrodden sod who would've already been on the first road out of here if he wasn't a selfless masochist gets on people's tits.

 

The problem is that Ashley sees it the exact opposite way. 

 

His priority is to have a patsy, the football is secondary.

 

That will apply to his replacement too.

 

I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though.

 

Why?

 

There is no point as long as we have Ashley. You lot willfully won't accept this. You know it, but you're all in complete denial. I don't get it.

[NG32]

We keep going through managers we will eventually take him down!

 

# zap brannigan logic

[David Icke - Son of God]

I think most people would be happy with a manager who wasn't s***. The fact he's a patsy is secondary really, however the way some people try to paint him as this poor downtrodden sod who would've already been on the first road out of here if he wasn't a selfless masochist gets on people's tits.

 

The problem is that Ashley sees it the exact opposite way. 

 

His priority is to have a patsy, the football is secondary.

 

That will apply to his replacement too.

 

I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though.

 

Why?

 

There is no point as long as we have Ashley. You lot willfully won't accept this. You know it, but you're all in complete denial. I don't get it.

 

So if he gets stuff wrong there's no point in criticising him because Ashley? What fucking bizarre logic.

[Happy Face]

I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though.

 

I don't argue against anyone having a coherent view that places blame for footballing issues at Pardew's feet, or anyone that condemns the arse-licking of the chairman as part of an anti-Ashley viewpoint.

 

If someone wants Pardew sacked and replaced by Mike Ashley though, then I can't see why sycophancy would be an issue for them.  That person either wants another Ashley sycophant or someone that will speak up and isn't going to last very long in the job.  Neither of which solve the specific problem they claim to have with Pardew's media appearances.

 

 

[Guest micky_123]

Just seen someone say he might be waiting until  After Jan as that's when he can buy up the rest of Ranger's shares? I'm not particularly well versed on the Rangers situation, is that the case?

 

Waiting til after Jan to what?

 

To theoretically get rid.

 

Of Pards? Why would he wait until the Rangers situation was sorted before that? Doesn't seem like they are linked in any way. My hope (and I think the logical move from a business point of view for MA) is that he buys Rangers and actively looks to sell NUFC.

[TK-421]

Just seen someone say he might be waiting until  After Jan as that's when he can buy up the rest of Ranger's shares? I'm not particularly well versed on the Rangers situation, is that the case?

 

Waiting til after Jan to what?

 

To theoretically get rid.

 

Of Pards? Why would he wait until the Rangers situation was sorted before that? Doesn't seem like they are linked in any way. My hope (and I think the logical move from a business point of view for MA) is that he buys Rangers and actively looks to sell NUFC.

 

I read it that he meant waiting till january to get rid of NUFC, so he can buy Rangers.

 

That would be the rule, wouldn't it - he can't own two football clubs?

[Guest micky_123]

That makes far more sense. Not sure if he could own two or not actually, think it depends on whether they are competing in any competitions together. I'm sure there was something a few years ago about Abramovich having an interest in CSKA as well as owning Chelsea, can't remember the outcome. Hope you're right SanToon

[Skeletor]

The Rangers fans want him as well. Suckers.

[LRD]

That would be the rule, wouldn't it - he can't own two football clubs?

 

No idea where this came from since they are in different leagues. Man City will own a franchise in the MLS, Udinese's owners have clubs in Spain and England, Red Bull has 4 clubs in different countries.

 

The only rule I know of is that you can't own 2 clubs in the same European competition. And we know that isn't happening any time in the near future again.

[TRon]

I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though.

 

I don't argue against anyone having a coherent view that places blame for footballing issues at Pardew's feet, or anyone that condemns the arse-licking of the chairman as part of an anti-Ashley viewpoint.

 

If someone wants Pardew sacked and replaced by Mike Ashley though, then I can't see why sycophancy would be an issue for them.  That person either wants another Ashley sycophant or someone that will speak up and isn't going to last very long in the job.  Neither of which solve the specific problem they claim to have with Pardew's media appearances.

 

 

 

Lots of European managers are used to working under the conditions imposed by Ashley, and I daresay plenty of young English managers would jump at the chance to manage the club as well. Ashley won't pay for the big names, but there must be plenty of young managers with potential who can organise a side well given some half decent players.

[Guest micky_123]

The Rangers fans want him as well. Suckers.

 

Was just about to ask if anyone knew Rangers' fans' opinion on MA. Not an expert on their boardroom/ownership situation but it seems an absolute farce.

[jdckelly]

I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though.

 

I don't argue against anyone having a coherent view that places blame for footballing issues at Pardew's feet, or anyone that condemns the arse-licking of the chairman as part of an anti-Ashley viewpoint.

 

If someone wants Pardew sacked and replaced by Mike Ashley though, then I can't see why sycophancy would be an issue for them.  That person either wants another Ashley sycophant or someone that will speak up and isn't going to last very long in the job.  Neither of which solve the specific problem they claim to have with Pardew's media appearances.

 

 

 

Lots of European managers are used to working under the conditions imposed by Ashley, and I daresay plenty of young English managers would jump at the chance to manage the club as well. Ashley won't pay for the big names, but there must be plenty of young managers with potential who can organise a side well given some half decent players.

the conditions imposed by Ashley are rather more erratic and insane than most other places.

[Varadi]

The Rangers fans want him as well. Suckers.

 

tbf the crap Rangers have had to deal with puts our shit in perspective - Ashley hasn't had us relegated to League 2 just yet!

[TRon]

I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though.

 

I don't argue against anyone having a coherent view that places blame for footballing issues at Pardew's feet, or anyone that condemns the arse-licking of the chairman as part of an anti-Ashley viewpoint.

 

If someone wants Pardew sacked and replaced by Mike Ashley though, then I can't see why sycophancy would be an issue for them.  That person either wants another Ashley sycophant or someone that will speak up and isn't going to last very long in the job.  Neither of which solve the specific problem they claim to have with Pardew's media appearances.

 

 

 

Lots of European managers are used to working under the conditions imposed by Ashley, and I daresay plenty of young English managers would jump at the chance to manage the club as well. Ashley won't pay for the big names, but there must be plenty of young managers with potential who can organise a side well given some half decent players.

the conditions imposed by Ashley are rather more erratic and insane than most other places.

 

I'm sure most fans think that about their own boards.

[Skeletor]

The Rangers fans want him as well. Suckers.

 

Was just about to ask if anyone knew Rangers' fans' opinion on MA. Not an expert on their boardroom/ownership situation but it seems an absolute farce.

 

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=257398

 

Warning: May make your eyes bleed.

[TK-421]

That would be the rule, wouldn't it - he can't own two football clubs?

 

No idea where this came from since they are in different leagues. Man City will own a franchise in the MLS, Udinese's owners have clubs in Spain and England, Red Bull has 4 clubs in different countries.

 

The only rule I know of is that you can't own 2 clubs in the same European competition. And we know that isn't happening any time in the near future again.

 

As unlikely as it might seem, there could still be a possibility of being drawn against Rangers if both clubs were in the same European Competition.

 

Pretty sure I read it somewhere, when it was first talked about he could be looking to increase his shares and buy Rangers, that he may not be able to, with already owning us... I might be wrong though.

 

EDIT: Just found this, though its not totally clear...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2220289/Mike-Ashley-permitted-buy-Rangers-stake--Charles-Green.html

 

'I think we've already stated previously that he's not allowed to take a material stake because of the dual ownership position.

'It was made clear to the football league that it would be single-digit percentages. So it's below what I said to the financial authorities that no-one would hold more than 10 per cent. Mike will be under the 10 per cent level.