jdckelly Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though. I don't argue against anyone having a coherent view that places blame for footballing issues at Pardew's feet, or anyone that condemns the arse-licking of the chairman as part of an anti-Ashley viewpoint. If someone wants Pardew sacked and replaced by Mike Ashley though, then I can't see why sycophancy would be an issue for them. That person either wants another Ashley sycophant or someone that will speak up and isn't going to last very long in the job. Neither of which solve the specific problem they claim to have with Pardew's media appearances. Lots of European managers are used to working under the conditions imposed by Ashley, and I daresay plenty of young English managers would jump at the chance to manage the club as well. Ashley won't pay for the big names, but there must be plenty of young managers with potential who can organise a side well given some half decent players. the conditions imposed by Ashley are rather more erratic and insane than most other places. I'm sure most fans think that about their own boards. most just qualify as daft decisions, Ashleys are just all over the place with absolutely no logic to them at all, only club off the top of my head that is as erratic decision wise is Abramovich and Chelsea but he spends loads of cash to compensate Ashley doesn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though. I don't argue against anyone having a coherent view that places blame for footballing issues at Pardew's feet, or anyone that condemns the arse-licking of the chairman as part of an anti-Ashley viewpoint. If someone wants Pardew sacked and replaced by Mike Ashley though, then I can't see why sycophancy would be an issue for them. That person either wants another Ashley sycophant or someone that will speak up and isn't going to last very long in the job. Neither of which solve the specific problem they claim to have with Pardew's media appearances. Lots of European managers are used to working under the conditions imposed by Ashley, and I daresay plenty of young English managers would jump at the chance to manage the club as well. Ashley won't pay for the big names, but there must be plenty of young managers with potential who can organise a side well given some half decent players. It's not just financial constraints and having no say on recruitment. No other manager in the world works under Joe Kinnear. Fuck ups like renaming sjp, wonga, the press ban.... Pardew gets asked about all of that constantly and has to give answers that keep the owner and the fans happy....moreso the owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I know, that shouldn't absolve Pardew from criticism though. I don't argue against anyone having a coherent view that places blame for footballing issues at Pardew's feet, or anyone that condemns the arse-licking of the chairman as part of an anti-Ashley viewpoint. If someone wants Pardew sacked and replaced by Mike Ashley though, then I can't see why sycophancy would be an issue for them. That person either wants another Ashley sycophant or someone that will speak up and isn't going to last very long in the job. Neither of which solve the specific problem they claim to have with Pardew's media appearances. Lots of European managers are used to working under the conditions imposed by Ashley, and I daresay plenty of young English managers would jump at the chance to manage the club as well. Ashley won't pay for the big names, but there must be plenty of young managers with potential who can organise a side well given some half decent players. It's not just financial constraints and having no say on recruitment. No other manager in the world works under Joe Kinnear. Fuck ups like renaming sjp, wonga, the press ban.... Pardew gets asked about all of that constantly and has to give answers that keep the owner and the fans happy....moreso the owner. Pardew doesn't need to answer any questions about Wonga or SJP. He could just say those matters aren't his concern and the decisions are made at board level. His problem is he likes the sound of his own voice too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 His problem is he talks about progressive football and being an attacking side...Tt happens now and then, and we generally win games when we do. It all reverts back to type the next game where we sit off teams and allow them space and time. See every single derby match with Sunderland for an example. He fluked the first derby game 1-0 and has tried to do the same thing over and over again. Its not working. The quotes someone put up the other day when he was southampton manager, saying the same things from a good few years back. The bloke is a one trick pony and should be nowhere near a prem side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 just bought my first chronicle in years, as act of support. Same here, it's not much but I feel a little better for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 just bought my first chronicle in years, as act of support. Same here, it's not much but I feel a little better for it. I buy every now and then, and have made the effort today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Just been on Tyne Tees News about it - they also highlighted Pardews comment today conflicting with the closing of the letter from NUFC to NCJMedia. TT need top be careful... Ashley might ban them too, shortly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 What argument do you think I'm making here? Your first contribution was loaded with sarcasm about Pardew having the piss taken out of him by his employers, making him ignoble for not speaking out...or going further. Resigning? Nah mate you're right, he should sit there, say nothing in reprobate, and just continue to do the job he's clearly not qualified to do whilst simultaneously having the piss taken out of him by his employers. It's certainly the most noble thing to do. There was nothing constructive there about what he should actually do. So feel free to put me right on that score. My only worry is Newcastle United, and I'm still confused by the disconnect in the views of some fans which suggests people want a new manager to come in under Ashley, a man of integrity, not beholden to Ashley, a man to to tell it like it is and even walk out if their pride is too hurt. Because that man wouldn't last half a season. I am happy to have an arse licking bell end do the job. I would like the arse licking bell end to be a better tactician, but that's a difficult balance to find. We clearly have differing views about what is best for Newcastle United. You think we should sit with the devil we know, no further discussion needed. I'm open to change and the risks it may bring. Anyway you've sort of missed the point of my post yet again, like, I wasn't discussing what was best for Newcastle, I was suggesting that Pardew has more options than just sitting quiet whilst he has his position continually undermined, which he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Rangers fans seem to basically be thinking "anyone has to be better than the current owner." Reminds me of us back in the day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/SshJYdx.png No input on this from the club's fan liaison manager, that's a shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/SshJYdx.png No input on this from the club's fan liaison manager, that's a shocker. there's a fan liaison manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/SshJYdx.png No input on this from the club's fan liaison manager, that's a shocker. there's a fan liaison manager? is she fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/SshJYdx.png No input on this from the club's fan liaison manager, that's a shocker. there's a fan liaison manager? Sounds like it would involve pretty dangerous liaisons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Where is the investigative journalism relating to those at the ground either made redundant or forced to take zero hours contracts now? Where is the investigative journalism relating to the clubs' finances? Where is the investigative journalism relating to merchandise now going straight to sports direct profits rather than the club? Where is the investigative journalism relating to the wonga deal and why no other body was allowed to bid for sponsorship. Seems to me that ncj media have been prepared to dance with the devil for a very long time. Posted elsewhere but some good points made. Now is the golden opportunity to start asking the awkward questions that should already have been asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Not that the Ronnie have done much to ruffle feathers or perhaps deserve it (now is their chance) it would be fun if all fans held up a copy of the Ronnie as the players come out against Chelsea to a worldwide audience. I'm sure Ashley would be delighted. It would make quite a sight and get attention. Perhaps the Ronnie can print single sheets if the front cover "Banned but not Gagged". They may still have the returned unsold copies to hand out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Not that the Ronnie have done much to ruffle feathers or perhaps deserve it (now is their chance) it would be fun if all fans held up a copy of the Ronnie as the players come out against Chelsea to a worldwide audience. I'm sure Ashley would be delighted. It would make quite a sight and get attention. Perhaps the Ronnie can print single sheets if the front cover "Banned but not Gagged". They may still have the returned unsold copies to hand out. I like this idea as long as it doesn't get out of hand (hundreds of people throwing rolled up newspapers on the pitch etc). But aye, people holding up copies of The Journal or Chronicle as the players come out would be a strong image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 We have a fan liaison manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Rangers fans seem to basically be thinking "anyone has to be better than the current owner." Reminds me of us back in the day We will see how happy they are when they see the SD wallpaper all over their ground as it went up last night(or at least was supposed to) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Anyway you've sort of missed the point of my post yet again, like, I wasn't discussing what was best for Newcastle, I was suggesting that Pardew has more options than just sitting quiet whilst he has his position continually undermined, which he has. Which option would you prefer him or any future manager to take when those above put him in that position? I'm not someone that blames Keegan in any way whatsoever for showing some backbone and walking out on the owner, even though it might have been better for the club if he'd just accepted what was going on and got on with it. Pardew came in knowing he had to tow the line, so I'd be less inclined to have any time for him if he found his spine all of a sudden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shorty Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 To me getting rid of Pardew would be treating the symptom not the illness. Need to get to the root cause which is, obviously, Mr Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 To me getting rid of Pardew would be treating the symptom not the illness. Need to get to the root cause which is, obviously, Mr Ashley. Long term it HAS to be fat Ash, short term I wouldn't be against getting rid of symptoms. Ashley's the cancer, Pardew's just a tumour, cut out the tumour, then blitz the cancer iyam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Was brilliant seeing the front page yesterday, I'll buy it whenever they do similar with NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 To me getting rid of Pardew would be treating the symptom not the illness. Need to get to the root cause which is, obviously, Mr Ashley. Long term it HAS to be fat Ash, short term I wouldn't be against getting rid of symptoms. Ashley's the cancer, Pardew's just a tumour, cut out the tumour, then blitz the cancer iyam. Agree with this ^ Even if Ashley remained as owner, he could do a lot of good simply by employing better people to run the club for him. people with the knowledge of running a football club, which isn't necessarily like any other business. Then employ better management of the team, which could produce better results on the pitch, and still not require signifigant expense on new players, if he still wants the club to be 'self sufficient'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Of course Ashley's the root cause but day-to-day, the miserable performances of the football team are of far greater concern. A position of "I'm content to see a lot of good players being completely wasted and spend a lot of money on being consistently bored and disappointed because of who the owner is" is mind bogglingly stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Who voted no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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