Alan '48 points' Pardew

[Guest Howaythetoon]

We should always be looking to finish in the top 4 at the most and the top 6 at the least and we should always try to win every cup competition we enter. Under these lot though the ambition is clear - top 10 max, safety bare minimum and no cups. Me, I can't bare watching it and only me being a Geordie and a former huge fan of the club is keeping me thinly interested these days.

[Skirge]

Club size has to include owners ambition and sadly this is where we fail

[jdckelly]

these points might say otherwise

Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities.

More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks.

 

Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system  established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton.

The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not.

Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion.

 

I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field

 

That's smoke and mirrors.

 

The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap.  If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million.

 

Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour?

 

Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the shite he served up last year.

not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent.

[madras]

these points might say otherwise

Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities.

More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks.

 

Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system  established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton.

The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not.

Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion.

 

I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field

 

That's smoke and mirrors.

 

The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap.  If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million.

 

Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour?

 

Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the s**** he served up last year.

something that urgently, desperately needs changing.

[Mick]

Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small.

 

Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger.

[Hanshithispantz]

Pardew's "we're a tiny club" spiel is obviously rubbing off.

 

Jesus. Did everyone think we were a massive club before pardew strolled in like?

Baffled as to where you got "Everyone thought we were a massive club" from "Pardew's 'we're a tiny club' spiel is obviously rubbing off" mind.

 

It was your comment about pardews spiel rubbing off. No ones suggesting we are a tiny club. All I'm saying is we are doing well with what we've got. We can't compete with those above us, so I'm unsure exactly what pardew has said wrong?

Pardew keeps on playing the club down, both the quality of it's playing staff and it's spending power. And people are obviously falling for his shit when they agree that we are "overachieving"

 

Make no mistake, I'm happy with the job Pardew is doing at the minute and I hope he continues to get the performances out of our players that he has been this season. It just saddens me that people view this as us overachieving.

 

Overachieving would be us capitalising on some poor form from Man U and Tottenham and breaking the top 4, something which I fully believe would be possible under a different manager. As it happens this may happen, only it'll likely be Everton and not us.

[cp40]

I saw that interview today and think it was Pardew being a wum, had a wry smile when saying it.

 

Who was he winding up?  I didn't see it so you might be right.

 

 

Interviewer/ pundits/ press/people up the arse of the so called big clubs. was my immediate thought watching it.

[Mick]

 

not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent.

 

Again, bollocks.

[madras]

these points might say otherwise

Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities.

More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks.

 

Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system  established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton.

The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not.

Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion.

 

I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field

 

That's smoke and mirrors.

 

The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap.  If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million.

 

Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour?

 

Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the s**** he served up last year.

not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent.

ITK ?

[Skirge]

Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small.

 

Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger.

When I say financial, no point having loads of money if the owner is not willing to invest to match fans ambition.

Ashley's lack of ambition  for the club is what hurts us most

[jdckelly]

This is only "as good as it gets" because we're that f***ing done in from last year that our decent foray into the top 8 over the past couple of months seems like some monumental achievement and not just something that should be expected with this squad.

to achieve it regularily will require a lot more than just a decent first team. Sides like Everton and Spurs are light years ahead of us in every regard off the field. Until work is done to improve everything about the club from the first team down to how we train kids in the academy then any achievement like this or 5th will be fleeting successes as teams with a lot more cash and cl football pick apart our side at will.

 

Bollocks.

off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

[Mick]

something that urgently, desperately needs changing.

 

Agreed, he's had time to do something to change it and I've seen nothing to suggest that he has.

[jdckelly]

these points might say otherwise

Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities.

More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks.

 

Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system  established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton.

The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not.

Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion.

 

I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field

 

That's smoke and mirrors.

 

The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap.  If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million.

 

Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour?

 

Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the s**** he served up last year.

not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent.

ITK ?

educated guess based on the current DOF

[Elliottman]

Pardew's "we're a tiny club" spiel is obviously rubbing off.

 

Jesus. Did everyone think we were a massive club before pardew strolled in like?

Baffled as to where you got "Everyone thought we were a massive club" from "Pardew's 'we're a tiny club' spiel is obviously rubbing off" mind.

 

It was your comment about pardews spiel rubbing off. No ones suggesting we are a tiny club. All I'm saying is we are doing well with what we've got. We can't compete with those above us, so I'm unsure exactly what pardew has said wrong?

Pardew keeps on playing the club down, both the quality of it's playing staff and it's spending power. And people are obviously falling for his s*** when they agree that we are "overachieving"

 

Make no mistake, I'm happy with the job Pardew is doing at the minute and I hope he continues to get the performances out of our players that he has been this season. It just saddens me that people view this as us overachieving.

 

Overachieving would be us capitalising on some poor form from Man U and Tottenham and breaking the top 4, something which I fully believe would be possible under a different manager. As it happens this may happen, only it'll likely be Everton and not us.

 

I don't think we are overachieving but I do think the league table portrays exactly where we are as a club right now.

[Dave]

Some clubs we couldn't possibly dream of being as big as, at the end of the year in each of the last ten seasons:

http://i.imgur.com/gkAUY5j.png

 

PS: that assumes Everton is one of the really big boys; they'd be on the list five times otherwise.

[Mick]

 

 

 

Interviewer/ pundits/ press/people up the arse of the so called big clubs. was my immediate thought watching it.

 

I hope you're right but it isn't the first time he's put the club down.

[midds]

Honestly think about 7th or 8th is the optimum finish as far as Ashley's concerned. No hassle avoiding relegation, no real interest in Champions League, no silly Europa League to hinder us in our quest for 8th the following season, no real fan unrest, season ticket sales remain stable,  no need to spend to develop a squad, maybe a little run in one of the domestic cups every third season, keep things ticking over, take the TV cash year after year without bothering either end of the division. Steady away for the foreseeable. 

 

It's his fucking wet dream, the cunt. 

[Elliottman]

Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small.

 

Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger.

When I say financial, no point having loads of money if the owner is not willing to invest to match fans ambition.

Ashley's lack of ambition  for the club is what hurts us most

 

I'd imagine everyone above us apart from Everton are better off.

[madras]

Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small.

 

Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger.

When I say financial, no point having loads of money if the owner is not willing to invest to match fans ambition.

Ashley's lack of ambition  for the club is what hurts us most

I'm not fussed about him not putting more of HIS money intio the club. I despise chelsea and man city for it. has his running of the club hindered the income that could be used to benefit the club ? possibly but not imo to the extent some would make out.

[Mick]

 

off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to piss in man.

[jdckelly]

 

off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to piss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

[Hanshithispantz]

 

off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to piss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

That's true like, and explains why they haven't got fucking Alan Pardew in charge.

[madras]

 

off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to p*ss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

agree about the youth set up, though I doubt it's for lack of cash. for all the whims of a madman etc we are very stable playing wise, manager long term, coaching staff, long term and for all the stuff about he'd sell his granny etc we don't in reality sell many first teamers.

[Mick]

 

off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to p*ss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

 

How do they have a "have a far superior youth set up"?  I'm not sure what Ashley has done recently to cause Pardew any problems off the pitch, he was rightly under pressure at the start of the season and lucky to still be here.

[jdckelly]

 

off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to p*ss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

agree about the youth set up, though I doubt it's for lack of cash. for all the whims of a madman etc we are very stable playing wise, manager long term, coaching staff, long term and for all the stuff about he'd sell his granny etc we don't in reality sell many first teamers.

its the other decisions like the appointment of JFK- why what the hell was hoped to be achieved by changing how the one area off the field that was actually kinda working well enough and basically ruin it. Why ban the chronicle and journal unnecessary bad headlines brought down on the club over a petty grudge. Is there even a commercial department trying to improve how we raise cash that way? Fact is when things are looking kinda stable and hey things might get better random stupid hand grenades of chaos are thrown by ashley to fuck things up again.