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I don't really get the HBA work rate thing - when Pardew was picking him regularly, his work rate was absolutely fine.  At the risk of starting a Ginola/Robert discussion - HBA was doing more tracking back than they ever did.

 

And how has HBA been responsible for 7-8 goals being conceded??  I can barely think of any.  He's rarely on the pitch.

 

You're absolutely right. Not that I disliked either of them as well, the opposite is true. It's been debated before but Robert wouldn't have got into Pardew's team and been seen as a luxury that couldn't be afforded, despite him being one of the best players in the league under SBR. You just have to look at him under Souness to see that.

 

I don't want HBA to defend. I want the less capable players to cover for him and allow him the freedom to get on the ball and motivate him to push forward. Happy to score 6 and concede 5 than to score 0 and concede 4. Having HBA just hanging around in their half all game immediately draws out 2-3 of the opposition players.

 

I said this last week, but 4-5-1 / 4-2-3-1 / whatever you want to call it would allow us to do this. It gives the defensive cover in midfield that Pardew craves by instructing one of the 3 centre mids to cover the wide area if the winger is upfield, whilst allowing our most creative players to be on the pitch at the same time. Fat chance of it happening though

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Where did Elliott say Keegan was a poor manager? I know the Pardew apologists are capable of coming up with some eye watering quotes but I can't believe he'll be allowed to get away with that.

 

Said it to The Guv

 

He was going on about him being poor in comparison to him and that the players here in 2008 didn't rate him. Are there any left? :lol:

 

I told him that KK made the club believe in itself whereas Pardew just wants us to be happy with our lot. In 8th or 9th place.

 

A dangerous game that will see us relegated next year :thup:

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Where did Elliott say Keegan was a poor manager? I know the Pardew apologists are capable of coming up with some eye watering quotes but I can't believe he'll be allowed to get away with that.

 

Said it to The Guv

 

He was going on about him being poor in comparison to him and that the players here in 2008 didn't rate him. Are there any left? :lol:

 

I told him that KK made the club believe in itself whereas Pardew just wants us to be happy with our lot. In 8th or 9th place.

 

A dangerous game that will see us relegated next year :thup:

 

So who would that be then? Taylor and Ameobi. I can't imagine Shola ever slagging anyone off.

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I was speaking to Rob Elliot in a club last night for about 10 minutes.

 

My God you can tell he's played under Pardew. He was having a go at the fans for turning after a few bad results. I said it's for months of shit not just 4 games...He wasn't having any of it. I then proceeded to tell him that we've not come back from going in at half time losing in what 70 games? He then got aggressive saying that's 'total lies.' I pushed him on it and asked him when we had then? He then said we did it at Charlton under him :lol:

 

He also lambasted HBA saying he's only set up at most 3 goals and how he's been solely responsible for 7-8 goal conceded! He said the players hate him and he has no work rate.

 

I kept telling him that this was Pardew shite coming out of his mouth and that he's been brainwashed. He honestly was like a Pardew drone.

 

Unbelievable

 

consider the expert job this man has done in reducing fan expectations to little more than being able to pay to breathe free oxygen and then think what he could do to a squad of players who he works with day in day out....they'll be getting told workrate is everything every minute of every day and probably have pics of HBA up on the dartboard, or he gets the private pile treatment :lol:

 

:lol:

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I guarantee Ameobi's least favourite manager, if you asked him, would be Allardyce as he seems to be the only guy who tried to get rid of him.

 

Don't think Keegan played him, but I don't recall him trying to sell.

 

He did to stoke didn't he?

 

 

sure keegan sent him to stoke aye

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I guarantee Ameobi's least favourite manager, if you asked him, would be Allardyce as he seems to be the only guy who tried to get rid of him.

 

Don't think Keegan played him, but I don't recall him trying to sell.

 

Keegan binned him off to Stoke.

 

Saw straight through the useless sack of shit, which tbf Allardyce did too - probably one of a few things he got right at SJP.

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Vaguely remember an interview with KK where he basically said something along the lines of "A lot of managers have seen something in him, but he needs to show it where it matters"

 

What we've all been saying for like 13 years basically.

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I guarantee Ameobi's least favourite manager, if you asked him, would be Allardyce as he seems to be the only guy who tried to get rid of him.

 

Don't think Keegan played him, but I don't recall him trying to sell.

 

He did to stoke didn't he?

 

 

sure keegan sent him to stoke aye

 

:thup: of course

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I guarantee Ameobi's least favourite manager, if you asked him, would be Allardyce as he seems to be the only guy who tried to get rid of him.

 

Don't think Keegan played him, but I don't recall him trying to sell.

 

He did to stoke didn't he?

 

 

sure keegan sent him to stoke aye

 

:thup: of course

 

Also I'm pretty sure he was on his way to Ipswich at the start of the 2008 season but injury stopped the move or something (surprise surprise)

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Keegan not a good manager

HBA Doesn't try hard enough

 

Not Pardew's fault.

 

 

 

 

:lol:

 

 

Just :lol:

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Aye that's right. He played a handful of games for Stoke in the Championship, didn't score and got sent back with a "DO NOT WANT" sign around his neck. Did he not fail a medical for someone as well? :lol:

 

Then Joe Kinnear gave him another chance.

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Shola was in the club last night absolutely off his tits. He looked so happy :lol:

 

He would...the club is sliding towards a level that makes him look like fucking Drogba.

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Shola was in the club last night absolutely off his tits. He looked so happy :lol:

 

Course he's happy. Guy's rubbish at his job and getting paid a shit ton. I'm really good at my job and get paid his weekly wage in probably 2+ years. It makes me fucking furious :lol:

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Fucking Elliot man. When you do things like that about a man like Kevin Keegan - I've kept really quiet, but I'll tell you something, he went down in my estimation when he said that - we have not resorted to that. But I'll tell ya - you can tell him now if you're watching  - you're a cunt.

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So Pardew has been telling the players we can't compete above 8th, so last year when some commented that Pardew saying we were tired, and he must have been saying it to the players so they had excuses as well as him for playing crap.  I remember people being told that's nonsense, well it's so so true looking at comments like that from Fat Fred Elliot.

 

Just confirming what most already knew, Pardew is a cunt, a useless manager and total coward.

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