geordiedean Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Best centre midfielder we've ever had in the PL Not in the same league as Rob Lee, Gary Speed and Amdy Faye I'm afraid Cabaye is good but not that good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Dont forget Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 When everyone is fit he just about has enough to get results & wins. Get some key players missing and he's diabolical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cabaye is a class act and our team looks very poor with him Colo and Remy out of it. The day Pashley took the money for him was the day our season finished and hopefully the beginning of the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Pardews problem is motivation and installing belief in the players. Yes we are missing important players that any manager would struggle with but your success as a manager is down to how you handle the second tier of your squad, which he has no clue how too. We should still have enough there to compete, but you can see how negative he and the squad become when we get a few injuries or suspensions. He has to go on that basis for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ando and the local radio is almost unbearable to listen to now. Pathetic lack of analysis on Pardews failings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Pardews problem is motivation and installing belief in the players. Yes we are missing important players that any manager would struggle with but your success as a manager is down to how you handle the second tier of your squad, which he has no clue how too. We should still have enough there to compete, but you can see how negative he and the squad become when we get a few injuries or suspensions. He has to go on that basis for me. You've got a point, I'm really confused as to why TBH. When we were 5th we went through bad spells but you never thought it would last more than a couple of weeks. It always seemed that Pardew had the players liking him and playing together. Guess you could argue it's just he's had more time to make things worse now, I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ando and the local radio is almost unbearable to listen to now. Pathetic lack of analysis on Pardews failings. What do they talk about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ando and the local radio is almost unbearable to listen to now. Pathetic lack of analysis on Pardews failings. What do they talk about? I was told Ando's highlight last night was when he questioned if Remy, Colo and Tiote "would get back in this team". Anyone confirm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Lee ------> Cabaye --> Speed for me. We've spent fortunes on defenders and strikers over the years yet we haven't spent big on CM really. I think Viana was actually our biggest buy in that area, yet its arguably the most critical area of the pitch/part of the team. Its amazing to think back how Cabaye only cost 3.5m or something. He is easily the £20m + player we sold him for, if not more. Top player for us and for my money, second only to Lee in all the time I've followed this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ando and the local radio is almost unbearable to listen to now. Pathetic lack of analysis on Pardews failings. What do they talk about? I was told Ando's highlight last night was when he questioned if Remy, Colo and Tiote "would get back in this team". Anyone confirm? There's no actual way that happened! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Lee ------> Cabaye --> Speed for me. We've spent fortunes on defenders and strikers over the years yet we haven't spent big on CM really. I think Viana was actually our biggest buy in that area, yet its arguably the most critical area of the pitch/part of the team. Its amazing to think back how Cabaye only cost 3.5m or something. He is easily the £20m + player we sold him for, if not more. Top player for us and for my money, second only to Lee in all the time I've followed this club. In our recent-ish history our defence has been blamed a lot when the midfield was the actual problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Lee ------> Cabaye --> Speed for me. We've spent fortunes on defenders and strikers over the years yet we haven't spent big on CM really. I think Viana was actually our biggest buy in that area, yet its arguably the most critical area of the pitch/part of the team. Its amazing to think back how Cabaye only cost 3.5m or something. He is easily the £20m + player we sold him for, if not more. Top player for us and for my money, second only to Lee in all the time I've followed this club. In our recent-ish history our defence has been blamed a lot when the midfield was the actual problem. Agreed, and indeed up front. Too often we've had an unbalanced midfield and attack. We let in 4 goals last night but they walked through our midfield time and time again. Not even the best defenders in the world will keep the door shut when that's happening, especially as often as it happens with us. Alarmingly, the manager actually sets us up to contain and to defend first yet we have been on the end of some really embarrassing scores, home and away. To lose 4-0 in isolation isn't earth shattering, it can happen even to the very best but to repeatedly succumb to big scorelines is evidence of some huge and major flaws in the way we approach games, how we are tactically and the selection of the players. As soon as I saw how we both lined up last night I just knew, if they scored first, we were done for and would lose by 2 or more goals. The manager, as much as you excuse him, is losing us games by these margins with his tactics, his team lineups, his subs and his whole ethos of how we should or should not play. We are a defeated team before we take to the pitch far too often to ever become anything more than what we are at current. As for Pardew himself, he needs everything to go his way for us to win games and even then we often scrape wins and perform abjectly. For us to win games under Pardew he needs his best players on the pitch, for the refereeing decisions to mainly go our way and for the individuals in our team to do their bit. Cabaye and Remy have been those individuals, the 2 players who have scored the goals and grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck. A decent manager can manage around their losses, but Pardew has no answer. Well he does, but its always the wrong one. We lose Cabaye and he reverts to hoof-ball. One player?! Thankfully, simply from a spectator perspective, I dont think he will be our manager come kick-off next season. I think Ashley has had enough and I think he has too. From what I gather, he threw his name into the hat for the Palace job but they wouldn't pay the kind of compo we would demand and while he's not wanting the sack, he would be delighted to be offered another top-flight job to get him out of his current role here where his hands are tied when it comes to purchases and sales. Keep your eyes peeled on WHU next season as Big Sam will be sacked once the season is over, whether they stay up or not and Pardew is still highly rated there. I can see that one happening. Not ITK or anything btw, just second guessing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Viana was mint IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 A classic, long, but good HTT Post. Good shout about WHU - a wet dream for AP to have Nolan and Carroll to play the long-ball, knock-down tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Viana was mint IMO Viana will go down as a classic what if/what could have been type of player for me. As far as talent and ability goes he was a lovely footballer and it showed how far eahd of the game, even at his age, Sir Bobby was tactically, that he had earmarked Viana as Speed's replacement, despite them both being totally different types of player. Sir Bobby eventually wanted a deep lying playmaker in there, someone a bit like Pirlo, to pull the strings, to spread play to the likes of Dyer and Jenas was going to be our box to box man if you like. It appears mentally though, he was as weak as they come, missed home massively and was too critical of his own performances/game. A shame because in the under 21 Euros piro to buying him, he stood out head and shoulders as the best player and he really did have some wonderful vision, technique and skill. Mind, he was played around a bit by Bobby positionally and never really settled. His career after us, however, suggest in reality, he was just another technically talented but totally average footballer the likes of Portugal produce for fun. I rated him mind and it says a lot about Gary Speed when Viana likened him to a father and uncle during his spell here. Speed would have made a top manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I like watching players like Viana because they have magic in their feet, but they aren't always that effective in an actual match situation. Kind of unfair how talent isn't always the deciding factor! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Viana would've blossomed into a fine PL midfielder eventually. 20-year-old Viana would be our best CM by a mile if he was here now, by the way. Sad, but true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Viana would've blossomed into a fine PL midfielder eventually. 20-year-old Viana would be our best CM by a mile if he was here now, by the way. Sad, but true. Without doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Mate has just said this regarding Pardew: "Problem is though, without the board getting involved in first team affairs, pardew is a good manager and gets results. As soon as someone gets involved, ie the removal of cabaye, pardew and the players buckle under the pressure. Players in the team excel when the whole team excels. And the negative effect is that pardew and the players fail when the going gets tough. The players are heartless, pardew doesnt know what to do and it becomes a disaster" Interested to hear what you lot think of that. I personally feel that the sign of a good manager is being able to motivate and organise his team when the chips are down, not just when we are going through a good patch and players are in form, if he can't do both then how can he be a good manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Viana was mint IMO Viana will go down as a classic what if/what could have been type of player for me. As far as talent and ability goes he was a lovely footballer and it showed how far eahd of the game, even at his age, Sir Bobby was tactically, that he had earmarked Viana as Speed's replacement, despite them both being totally different types of player. Sir Bobby eventually wanted a deep lying playmaker in there, someone a bit like Pirlo, to pull the strings, to spread play to the likes of Dyer and Jenas was going to be our box to box man if you like. It appears mentally though, he was as weak as they come, missed home massively and was too critical of his own performances/game. A shame because in the under 21 Euros piro to buying him, he stood out head and shoulders as the best player and he really did have some wonderful vision, technique and skill. Mind, he was played around a bit by Bobby positionally and never really settled. His career after us, however, suggest in reality, he was just another technically talented but totally average footballer the likes of Portugal produce for fun. I rated him mind and it says a lot about Gary Speed when Viana likened him to a father and uncle during his spell here. Speed would have made a top manager Another cracking post in succession HTT. Agree 100%. The idea of him eventually being the Pirlo, if you will, to Dyer and Jenas was potentially an outstanding vision. Also, 100% - When Speedo was getting into management, I was hoping he would one day take over the helm here and go on to be an all-time great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He'd be our best CM today. That said, he's only 31 now. Expected him to be about 38. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Also, 100% - When Speedo was getting into management, I was hoping he would one day take over the helm here and go on to be an all-time great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Viana's PL debut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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