BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 no way we win that without the sendings off like, i'm sorry, it's like some people just haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders were going to fly in second half weren't they... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 no way we win that without the sendings off like, i'm sorry, it's like some people just haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders were going to fly in second half weren't they... what do you see with your eyes brett? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Its unlikely we win without it, but it happened & we did. Just hope it adds to our belief for future games & our ability to come back if we lose the first goal. Thats been our main weakness under Pards. There are other niggling issues, but hes getting more right than wrong now. The wrongs are just easier to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 no way we win that without the sendings off like, i'm sorry, it's like some people just haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders were going to fly in second half weren't they... Or: Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders weren't going to fly in second half weren't they... How the f*** do you know? Chances are that if you give a player enough chances to take shots from 30 yards, they're going to score eventually. (Tiote notwithstanding) Their first goal was the second time that we were exposed down our right and he was shown inside. It happened again not long after. We won and we won comfortably, but it goes without saying that the sendings off 100% changed the swing of the game. Prior to that we were very poor. I'd have expected us to come back in the second half and get something, but if we'd played like we did in the first half, we'd have almost certainly lost imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 no way we win that without the sendings off like, i'm sorry, it's like some people just haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders were going to fly in second half weren't they... what do you see with your eyes brett? I saw a manager change to a formation we haven't been playing at home, look out of sorts in adapting to it and in need of a re-shuffle. Major surgery wasn't needed, just a change in formation and maybe a change of personel at half time if we were still getting beat. Obviously nobody knows how the game would have panned out but even when we went one down i was confident we could still turn it around. Stoke just basically threw us the 3 points instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 no way we win that without the sendings off like, i'm sorry, it's like some people just haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders were going to fly in second half weren't they... what do you see with your eyes brett? I saw a manager change to a formation we haven't been playing at home, look out of sorts in adapting to it and in need of a re-shuffle. Major surgery wasn't needed, just a change in formation and maybe a change of personel at half time if we were still getting beat. Obviously nobody knows how the game would have panned out but even when we went one down i was confident we could still turn it around. Stoke just basically threw us the 3 points instead. How many times does he 'get it wrong' at home when faced with teams who are not in the top echelons of the league? In fact, a better question is how many times does he get it right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 There's some desperate stuff in here like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 We might have been lucky to an extent in some games but beating Man Utd, Chelsea, Tottenham and winning 7 of our last 9 is certainly not down to it. As much as i dont like Pardew, we're doing well because of him, just as we did shit because of him. I want us to be more expansive and have more movement but the table doesn't lie. Yes the so called bigger teams have slipped up but that's their problem and for us to be so close to the top going into January is quite simply brilliant, from the manager to all the players. Simply brilliant. I still think he is a bottling fucker which means I will dread the derbies because they are exactly the sort of game he can't handle. For the time he has been here (I am ignoring his first season given his main goal threat was sold and he didn't get all of it) we have had one exceptional season, one disastrous and half a very good one. The rate teams go through managers just shows how quickly people lose patience, he isn't doing too badly imo. He is definitely not perfect, I would love us to be more attacking and I would love him to show some balls when it counts but at the moment we could do far worse. It is almost depressing seeing some spouting the same sort of bile as the mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 There's some desperate stuff in here like. http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/74/74a16d5a916209bee9fde1698778a53dbb5d2e364a47533a71daaa22e52e1bdf.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 no way we win that without the sendings off like, i'm sorry, it's like some people just haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders were going to fly in second half weren't they... what do you see with your eyes brett? I saw a manager change to a formation we haven't been playing at home, look out of sorts in adapting to it and in need of a re-shuffle. Major surgery wasn't needed, just a change in formation and maybe a change of personel at half time if we were still getting beat. Obviously nobody knows how the game would have panned out but even when we went one down i was confident we could still turn it around. Stoke just basically threw us the 3 points instead. How many times does he 'get it wrong' at home when faced with teams who are not in the top echelons of the league? In fact, a better question is how many times does he get it right? Was a fucking formation people on here wanted us to play, Ben Arfa back in the side, no Shola, no Tiote at home. So he plays it, struggling with it and gets criticised for trying it Everyone wanted Shola dropped, got dropped and worst we've played at home in recent times when he wasn't in the side. For the record, i thought he picked the right side prior to kick off then soon realised it wasn't really working and was expecting changes half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 no way we win that without the sendings off like, i'm sorry, it's like some people just haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years Those Charlie Adam 30 yarders were going to fly in second half weren't they... what do you see with your eyes brett? I saw a manager change to a formation we haven't been playing at home, look out of sorts in adapting to it and in need of a re-shuffle. Major surgery wasn't needed, just a change in formation and maybe a change of personel at half time if we were still getting beat. Obviously nobody knows how the game would have panned out but even when we went one down i was confident we could still turn it around. Stoke just basically threw us the 3 points instead. How many times does he 'get it wrong' at home when faced with teams who are not in the top echelons of the league? In fact, a better question is how many times does he get it right? Was a fucking formation people on here wanted us to play, Ben Arfa back in the side, no Shola, no Tiote at home. So he plays it, struggling with it and gets criticised for trying it Everyone wanted Shola dropped, got dropped and worst we've played at home in recent times when he wasn't in the side. For the record, i thought he picked the right side prior to kick off then soon realised it wasn't really working and was expecting changes half time. Its fucking baffling how anybody can disagree with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 i too thought it was the right lineup Brett, but there's a difference between picking the right 11 players and getting it to work, jesus first half was hull all over again, hughes had him by the tactical bollocks...he saw a chink and got adam to exploit it to very good effect, answer from AP? sweet fuck all until the sendings off sorry like, i know we all love the guy now but i'm fucked if i'm ignoring what's in front of my eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 It is interesting to note our position in comparison to Evertons now & the respect given to managers of both sides. We've both beaten Man Utd & Chelsea, both drawn with Pool & lost to City. They could only draw with Spurs where we won, yet they beat us in our game. Now 1 point apart. Surely if Martinez is the much better manager he must be working with inferior players? Id say we line up position for position something like: Newcastle Everton Krul Howard Debuchy Coleman Williamson Jagielka Coloccinni Distin Santon Baines/Oviedo Gouffran Mirallas Tiote Barry Anita Mccarthy Cabaye Barkley Sissoko Pienaar Remy Lukaku Very debatable. Id say Everton have the stronger defence & strikeforce. The midfield is a close call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd say that they're on par, but Everton are playing the better football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Surely if Martinez is the much better manager he must be working with inferior players? is that martinez who only joined the club in the summer and signed X amount of new players on loans and such to supplement a limited squad? vs. pardew with his 3 years and settled squad? all depends how you look at it i suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 It's also Martinez' first season. EDIT: What mrmojorisin said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 i too thought it was the right lineup Brett, but there's a difference between picking the right 11 players and getting it to work, jesus Having to explain this to someone I suppose CP40 is baffled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 i too thought it was the right lineup Brett, but there's a difference between picking the right 11 players and getting it to work, jesus first half was hull all over again, hughes had him by the tactical bollocks...he saw a chink and got adam to exploit it to very good effect, answer from AP? sweet f*** all until the sendings off sorry like, i know we all love the guy now but i'm f***ed if i'm ignoring what's in front of my eyes He can't physically play for the players, if the players are struggling why's it the manager to blame. He thought that formation would work at home with Ben Arfa back, it didn't and he admitted after the game things were getting changed at half time. Luckily everything was made sweet by Stoke so the team talk was made a lot easier. At least we know not to try that again afainst Arsenal and get back to 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 i too thought it was the right lineup Brett, but there's a difference between picking the right 11 players and getting it to work, jesus Having to explain this to someone I suppose CP40 is baffled? And it still missed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 It's also Martinez' first season. EDIT: What mrmojorisin said Aye, but you could look at it in such a way that hes also gone to a pretty settled & well set up side already. Far more consistant than we've been over the years. The first teams are close, but i reckon they shade it. Certainly looking at results alone, is Martinez deserving of so much praise over Pards given the 1 point difference? He may improve them further, but he is using more loans to achieve it also & our football has been improved aswell. That said i do think he is the better manager but its interesting to consider. Easier to praise managers from the outside isnt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 He would have worked all week with it, comes to the game and it is epically failing. No harm in that, he tried something new, wasn't working, admitted thigns were being changed at half time and likely chances are we are back to 4-4-2 at home on Sunday. No need to go overboard over something he tried and didn't get to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 i too thought it was the right lineup Brett, but there's a difference between picking the right 11 players and getting it to work, jesus first half was hull all over again, hughes had him by the tactical bollocks...he saw a chink and got adam to exploit it to very good effect, answer from AP? sweet f*** all until the sendings off sorry like, i know we all love the guy now but i'm f***ed if i'm ignoring what's in front of my eyes He can't physically play for the players, if the players are struggling why's it the manager to blame. He thought that formation would work at home with Ben Arfa back, it didn't and he admitted after the game things were getting changed at half time. Luckily everything was made sweet by Stoke so the team talk was made a lot easier. At least we know not to try that again afainst Arsenal and get back to 4-4-2. even the commentators were wondering why we weren't getting people in the box when we did get forward prior to the sendings off brett, we had debuchy killing himself to get down the line and put a ball in and there was only remy vs. the entire stoke defence, for example it's not as simple as 'formation' and see what happens, perhaps this is why he gets consistently outwitted at home adam was tearing us to shreds well before they scored, sissoko was doing absolutely fucking nothing...any manager worth his salt would have put sissoko on adam and shut him down 'til half time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd agree if it didn't happen a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 It's also Martinez' first season. EDIT: What mrmojorisin said Aye, but you could look at it in such a way that hes also gone to a pretty settled & well set up side already. Far more consistant than we've been over the years. The first teams are close, but i reckon they shade it. Certainly looking at results alone, is Martinez deserving of so much praise over Pards given the 1 point difference? He may improve them further, but he is using more loans to achieve it also & our football has been improved aswell. That said i do think he is the better manager but its interesting to consider. Easier to praise managers from the outside isnt it. But Martinez hasn't nearly relegated a squad of this caliber. He also won the FA cup with an abysmal one. Then obviously there's the enjoyment of watching a side playing what I would consider "good football". There's far more than just looking at a table and saying "what's the difference between the 2 of them then?" There will undoubtedly be an element of fool's gold looking from the outside, but most things about Martinez and Everton to me suggests he would be my preferred manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd agree if it didn't happen a lot. precisely...as i said, it's a genuine question for those in pardew's corner - how often does he honestly get it right vs. 'lower' teams at home? what i see is they turn up with a very basic gameplan and we huff and puff to break it down every single time he certainly seems to be able to set them up to play away from home at the moment though, deserves a lot of credit for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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