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Some clubs we couldn't possibly dream of being as big as, at the end of the year in each of the last ten seasons:

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PS: that assumes Everton is one of the really big boys; they'd be on the list five times otherwise.

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Honestly think about 7th or 8th is the optimum finish as far as Ashley's concerned. No hassle avoiding relegation, no real interest in Champions League, no silly Europa League to hinder us in our quest for 8th the following season, no real fan unrest, season ticket sales remain stable,  no need to spend to develop a squad, maybe a little run in one of the domestic cups every third season, keep things ticking over, take the TV cash year after year without bothering either end of the division. Steady away for the foreseeable. 

 

It's his fucking wet dream, the cunt. 

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Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small.

 

Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger.

When I say financial, no point having loads of money if the owner is not willing to invest to match fans ambition.

Ashley's lack of ambition  for the club is what hurts us most

 

I'd imagine everyone above us apart from Everton are better off.

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Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small.

 

Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger.

When I say financial, no point having loads of money if the owner is not willing to invest to match fans ambition.

Ashley's lack of ambition  for the club is what hurts us most

I'm not fussed about him not putting more of HIS money intio the club. I despise chelsea and man city for it. has his running of the club hindered the income that could be used to benefit the club ? possibly but not imo to the extent some would make out.
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off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to piss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

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off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to piss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

That's true like, and explains why they haven't got fucking Alan Pardew in charge.
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off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to p*ss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

agree about the youth set up, though I doubt it's for lack of cash. for all the whims of a madman etc we are very stable playing wise, manager long term, coaching staff, long term and for all the stuff about he'd sell his granny etc we don't in reality sell many first teamers.
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off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to p*ss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

 

How do they have a "have a far superior youth set up"?  I'm not sure what Ashley has done recently to cause Pardew any problems off the pitch, he was rightly under pressure at the start of the season and lucky to still be here.

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off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things

 

They haven't got a pot to p*ss in man.

they also have a far superior youth set up and the club isn't run on the whims of a madman and instead with someone who actually thinks about what he's doing before he does it.

agree about the youth set up, though I doubt it's for lack of cash. for all the whims of a madman etc we are very stable playing wise, manager long term, coaching staff, long term and for all the stuff about he'd sell his granny etc we don't in reality sell many first teamers.

its the other decisions like the appointment of JFK- why what the hell was hoped to be achieved by changing how the one area off the field that was actually kinda working well enough and basically ruin it. Why ban the chronicle and journal unnecessary bad headlines brought down on the club over a petty grudge. Is there even a commercial department trying to improve how we raise cash that way? Fact is when things are looking kinda stable and hey things might get better random stupid hand grenades of chaos are thrown by ashley to fuck things up again. 

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Our coaching set up is remarkably poor for a club of our stature. And it's filtered down from the top. We are a big club, simple as that, we should he finishing in the top 6, and challenging for the top 4 spots IMO

how do we know, we know sod all coaches do, think brian kidd and micky phelan, carlos quiroz at man utd. seemed great when they were doing well but in reality we know nowt about how good caoches are.
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Pardew's "we're a tiny club" spiel is obviously rubbing off.

 

Jesus. Did everyone think we were a massive club before pardew strolled in like?

Baffled as to where you got "Everyone thought we were a massive club" from "Pardew's 'we're a tiny club' spiel is obviously rubbing off" mind.

 

It was your comment about pardews spiel rubbing off. No ones suggesting we are a tiny club. All I'm saying is we are doing well with what we've got. We can't compete with those above us, so I'm unsure exactly what pardew has said wrong?

Pardew keeps on playing the club down, both the quality of it's playing staff and it's spending power. And people are obviously falling for his s*** when they agree that we are "overachieving"

 

Make no mistake, I'm happy with the job Pardew is doing at the minute and I hope he continues to get the performances out of our players that he has been this season. It just saddens me that people view this as us overachieving.

 

Overachieving would be us capitalising on some poor form from Man U and Tottenham and breaking the top 4, something which I fully believe would be possible under a different manager. As it happens this may happen, only it'll likely be Everton and not us.

 

I don't think we are overachieving but I do think the league table portrays exactly where we are as a club right now.

I agree where we are now is about par, especially considering the owner. If it stays the way it's going it's been an acceptable season (providing we're not raped early on in the FA Cup), no more no less imo.
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Our coaching set up is remarkably poor for a club of our stature. And it's filtered down from the top. We are a big club, simple as that, we should he finishing in the top 6, and challenging for the top 4 spots IMO

how do we know, we know sod all coaches do, think brian kidd and micky phelan, carlos quiroz at man utd. seemed great when they were doing well but in reality we know nowt about how good caoches are.

 

Well do you see any marked improvement? I seem to recall carver or stone saying "we need to kick it higher" or something along those lines. I'd put it out there that stone and carver are not top level coaches

who are top level coaches, like I've said, phelan ? kidd ? we haven't got a clue who top level coaches are or what they do. was terry mac a great coach ?
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Its not even worth debate. Talking like he did prematch is such a lesser than mentality, as his half time team talks seem to be.

 

The top sides do not think like that man. Long term it will not produce long lasting self belief, at best it might alleviate some pressure for this season but then what? Then the side s***s itself when they face expectancy before playing bottom placed Sunderland, or we follow up a 5th placed finish by nearly getting relegated. It doesnt work long term, its small time.

 

Mentioned Martinez on here a few days ago & critiqued him. But what a difference in these quotes:

 

"This week will have a huge bearing on our season," Martinez, whose side then go to leaders Arsenal on Sunday, told a news conference this week.

 

We need to know how we are going to play and who we are. We are excited about going to Old Trafford.

 

"If you are going to be brave and try to win games rather than just being in a position where you want to keep a clean sheet and get through in damage-limitation situations, then you need to be flexible as a player and as a team and play in different ways in the modern game," Martinez said.

 

"That is the attitude we have had from the beginning."

 

That very first line shows you the difference, he isnt thinking of reducing pressure. He believes they can handle it & they did.

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Far too negative at home for me, but no surprise. We did very well defensively I thought, but we didn't support our strikers at all so not inevitably we didn't look like scoring. 1-0 to them was about right, and I imagine Pardew was happy enough with that. I wasn't too surprised to see us resort to type in the second half with the introduction of Shola and the appearance of our old friend hoofball. It was the only point in the game where it felt like the team was following a practised routine. It's a shame they didn't have two men sent off, then Pards might have plucked up enough courage to push a few players into the opposition penalty area.

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Its not even worth debate. Talking like he did prematch is such a lesser than mentality.

 

The top sides do not think like that man. Long term it will not produce long lasting self belief, at best it might alleviate some pressure for this season but then what? Then the side s***s itself when they face expectancy before playing bottom placed Sunderland, or we follow up a 5th placed finish by nearly getting relegated. It doesnt work long term, its small time.

 

Mentioned Martinez on here a few days ago & critiqued him. But what a difference in these quotes:

 

"This week will have a huge bearing on our season," Martinez, whose side then go to leaders Arsenal on Sunday, told a news conference this week.

 

We need to know how we are going to play and who we are. We are excited about going to Old Trafford.

 

"If you are going to be brave and try to win games rather than just being in a position where you want to keep a clean sheet and get through in damage-limitation situations, then you need to be flexible as a player and as a team and play in different ways in the modern game," Martinez said.

 

"That is the attitude we have had from the beginning."

 

That very first line shows you the difference, he isnt thinking of reducing pressure. He believes they can handle it & they did.

 

Exactly, Pardew is always tellings us what were not, or the limit of what we are. Never what we should or could be. It's always negative and downsizing, now i dont completely blame him as the owner leads the way. But it always seems to smell of him making excuses for himself. Mind you he cant moan too much, he got in bed with the devil.

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Its not even worth debate. Talking like he did prematch is such a lesser than mentality, as his half time team talks seem to be.

 

The top sides do not think like that man. Long term it will not produce long lasting self belief, at best it might alleviate some pressure for this season but then what? Then the side s***s itself when they face expectancy before playing bottom placed Sunderland, or we follow up a 5th placed finish by nearly getting relegated. It doesnt work long term, its small time.

 

:thup:

 

Can't help us when we're trying to convince our best players to stay here, too. Though I continue to have my doubts as to whether we even care about that ahead of the fee they might command. Liverpool get a lot of mocking on here and I can't say I like them at all, but you can't deny that they're a big club and they act like one. Even when they're doing shit.

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