Guest Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Aye that comment pre-match pissed me off. Basically making out that we're overachieving and he's doing better than he should be. He's not, we're in the sort of position this squad should be. Cretinous comment to make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 If being on course for 60+ points is classed as 'par', it's going to be extremely difficult for any manager to have an above-par season under this regime like. I'm not sure why Pardew fans are always having a go at the regime, he's been given one of the best squads to work with since Graeme Souness was boss. Arguably better, although we haven't wasted a load of money on duds like he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Aye that comment pre-match pissed me off. Basically making out that we're overachieving and he's doing better than he should be. He's not, we're in the sort of position this squad should be. Cretinous comment to make. There is so much more to success than just the squad you have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Difficult for managers anyway isnt it. Realistically all of us want to believe our players are just class, not that the manager is raising their game. If they play poorly, often its the managers fault & if they play well the manager has stopped holding them back. People will always want to believe the current players are capable of more (unless at Debuchy levels), so as a club we can move to the next level. Its harder to praise someone for the level they have the players playing at, when you wont/cant discern how close they are to their best. Brazilliamson is at his you'd imagine. Same with style of play. Though thats more apparent when a side is really dominating before half time & then comes out to sit back. Its clearer then when we could get more as fans. A lot clearer than the benefits he may be bringing anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 If being on course for 60+ points is classed as 'par', it's going to be extremely difficult for any manager to have an above-par season under this regime like. 60 points would have finished us 8th last season, 7th the season before. I would say that is about 'par' tbf with this squad. Our current points haul has us sitting 8th in the league, again, looking at the table I would say that's about right, 7-8th. I'm not really sure how many points people think we should be sitting on come the new year? 25? Probably out of the European race but potentially on course for a decent top 10 finish? Again, putting the team down to embellish the accomplishments of the manager, it's what Pardew himself is doing. He's doing well like, there's just no need to go overboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 He is very lucky to be where he is, and we as a club are very unlucky to still have him here. There is no way he is going to turn this around and finish in the top 5 again. I think he sunk too far last season. Gone by December. I don't even think anyone rates him anymore, you just get the odd person who wants to say he deserves a chance but they always go too far with it. I don't know why they bother tbh. Can't believe it's been brushed into 'well we are where we should be' with very few praising the revival of both manager and players. Revival from what, Brett? Do you think people were angry last season because they thought we should be finishing 14th instead of 16th? Well shock f***ing horror, people who thought we should finish 6th - 8th get p*ssed off when we finish 16th but don't crawl up the managers ringpiece when he performs to par. To show mental strength to come back from a horror season. If your going to say in the summer, this season will be exactly the same as last maybe slightly better, but then we revive ourselves to the prediction you had for last season, that should be praised for turning it around and getting back on course. Shouldn't be glossed over simply because it's where we should be, still not easy to get in this position. Pardew and the players have stepped up to mark and improved their ways. Players like Williamson/Tiote showing their capabilities again, Debuchy/Sissoko/Gouffran adapting better and return to form for likes of Cabaye/Colo. We’ve done very well to get ourselves in this position at the half way stage and it should be praised. Righto, gloss and excuse when doing shit, fawn and praise when doing ok, got it. Well done, Alan, for taking this squad of quality players and not almost relegating them. I'm ever so impressed with the way you've managed to get us to midtable especially after the massiive pile of dump that was last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I took last season on the chin, accepted he wasn't up to scratch, players weren't up to scratch but was happy for them to be giving another chance and glad they are both doing well. They are in it together and i'm happy to criticise them on the whole together last season and praise them together for there responses this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 If being on course for 60+ points is classed as 'par', it's going to be extremely difficult for any manager to have an above-par season under this regime like. 60 points would have finished us 8th last season, 7th the season before. I would say that is about 'par' tbf with this squad. Our current points haul has us sitting 8th in the league, again, looking at the table I would say that's about right, 7-8th. I'm not really sure how many points people think we should be sitting on come the new year? 25? Probably out of the European race but potentially on course for a decent top 10 finish? Again, putting the team down to embellish the accomplishments of the manager, it's what Pardew himself is doing. He's doing well like, there's just no need to go overboard. Exactly this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 8th is par for this squad. The league is shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 If being on course for 60+ points is classed as 'par', it's going to be extremely difficult for any manager to have an above-par season under this regime like. 60 points would have finished us 8th last season, 7th the season before. I would say that is about 'par' tbf with this squad. Our current points haul has us sitting 8th in the league, again, looking at the table I would say that's about right, 7-8th. I'm not really sure how many points people think we should be sitting on come the new year? 25? Probably out of the European race but potentially on course for a decent top 10 finish? Again, putting the team down to embellish the accomplishments of the manager, it's what Pardew himself is doing. He's doing well like, there's just no need to go overboard. Haven't got a clue how many points we should have. Judging the season so far on both results and performances, I'd be inclined to say it has been above-par. Not putting the team down or going overboard, simply think labelling the season so far as 'par' or whatever is a bit of a disservice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Who of the teams below us should be above us to deem this as 'above par'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 8th is par for this squad. The league is shite. The top 8 is probably as strong as it ever has been. The bottom half is obviously populated by a lot of dross, but that is the case in every league throughout world football. That's why they're bottom half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 8th is par for this squad. The league is shite. The top 8 is probably as strong as it ever has been. The bottom half is obviously populated by a lot of dross, but that is the case in every league throughout world football. That's why they're bottom half. Exactly, if we were any position below where we are now that would be below par. Hull are 10th ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Who of the teams below us should be above us to deem this as 'above par'? None of them mate. The actual position isn't the be all and end all at this stage though. We're only 4 points off the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I just think 7th-8th is Pardew meeting his goal. The club itself should be spending more in key areas but you can't put that at Pardew's door. Saying that if everything goes smoothly here we could easily finish top 6 or higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Well that was my point start of the season when people were saying we would struggle or being in another dog fight. We have a very talented bunch of players who should be capable of 8th at least. The key for me this season was to just get back on course and basically forget the horror show of last season and so far we are doing a good job of that. 8th is par but that's not to say it's easy to get there because it's still a tough league in which teams can pull random results all over the place. Even this week who would have predicted that shambolic palace side we trounced to only concede once at the Etihad and push them all the way or Hull to smash in 6 past Fulham. As shit as the league looks, it's still tough to pick up points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 We could get that as it stands. Even with those signings I'd still say there are 5 who are better than us, 6 depending on Sherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andybiotics Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 3m AP also said "grass isn't greener" "Joey Barton moved on,Andy Carroll, and actually you have to argue, have they moved onto better clubs? " Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 6m Pardew says fans will play a part in Remy's decision: "50,000 Geordies, there is not a lot of clubs who can beat that." #nufc Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 7m Pardew: "Loic and his agent and his representatives will decide where his future is." #nufc #QPR Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 7m Pardew on Remy (Absolute Radio):"We feel we can sign him,we have the finance to do that but of course probably at the end of the year" #nufc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Pardew on Remy (Absolute Radio):"We feel we can sign him,we have the finance to do that but of course probably at the end of the year" #nufc That's tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 3m AP also said "grass isn't greener" "Joey Barton moved on,Andy Carroll, and actually you have to argue, have they moved onto better clubs? " Could throw Jose Enrique, Kevin Nolan and (not in his time) Duff, Bassong and N'Zogbia in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Jose has probably made a good move, he's just injured. Ba is the big one imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Jose has probably made a good move, he's just injured. Ba is the big one imo. Forgot Ba just now actually. Enrique said we would never finish top 6 and we finished 5th the season he left that's the reason I won't forget him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I know the story like, I'm just saying that Jose's move to Liverpool hasn't necessarily been a bad one for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I think what others have said is correct. 8th is about where we should be finishing. We are in the strange position of being in a group with maybe just Everton and us, Southampton at a push that are much better than the teams below us outside the top 8/9 and are worse than the teams above us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Jose has probably made a good move, he's just injured. Ba is the big one imo. Forgot Ba just now actually. Enrique said we would never finish top 6 and we finished 5th the season he left that's the reason I won't forget him. This is just assuming that the players are arsed about their fortunes on the pitch. £ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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